LW Tyler Benson (2016, 32nd, EDM)
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Are you Sam Steel's agent?
This is a bizarre thread to start about a player who is 1 game into his rookie season in the WHL.
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Are you Sam Steel's agent?
This is a bizarre thread to start about a player who is 1 game into his rookie season in the WHL.
A couple years ago he was setting records in the AMBHL, but last season only scored 1 point in 16 games at the WHC-17. Other 2016 picks Luke Kirwan totaled 13 points in the tournament, and Matthew Tkachuk had 7, while Austin Matthews scored 8.
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Benson played *6* games at the U17 tournament, not 16. He was an under age player. The three other draft eligible players you mention are all late birthdays, too late in the calendar year to be eligible for the 2015 draft...Auston Matthews missed the cutoff for the 2015 draft by 2 days. Those 3 players were there as part of the NTDP U17 team.
Steel didn't play at the tournament. In fact, it's very rare for *any* underage player to play for a Canadian team at that tournament. IMO the only reason that Chychrun got to play was because he's a dual citizen and it was to encourage him to play for Canada internationally. Ekblad, McDavid, Day, and Tavares all played as 15 year olds, but they were playing junior hockey at the time because they got exceptional status.
I don't know where Benson will be drafted. My point is 1 game into to his rookie WHL season isn't the best time to judge.
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I was impressed as well by his record setting performance in the AMBHL... impressed until I learned the name of the hockey player who previously held the record. Ty Rattie who was a 2nd rd. pick and will soon be 22 and has not yet established himself as a NHL player. Tyler Benson may be nothing more than a late 1st round/early 2nd rd. pick just like the aforementioned Ty Rattie.
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I don't think Plateau'd is fair yet, he still has plenty of potential. With that said, he was certainly over-hyped. He would have to put up over a point per game to live up to the expectations some people have placed on him.
Worst statistical analysis ever.
Worst statistical analysis ever.
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The best player from the 2013 WHL draft will be not Benson, not Steel, but Nolan Patrick in my opinion. Kid's going to be a great player.
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All those guys while they are 2016 prospects are also 97 birth years players. They've had an extra year of development/have been playing against stronger opposition.
They also played on the stacked US team that dominated the whole tournament (it was obvious they were gonna win it all) which is why they and a lot of their teammates put up a ton of points. We see this all the time on junior teams eg. recent Portland teams where the top 6 is basically stuffing the opposing team's net. Many of those players haven't translated that production into the pro ranks when they aren't on such a dominating team.
As other have already said tons of kids light up the AMBHL every year but don't amount to much. This is one of the reason why a lot of people dislike the whole bantam draft concept and why the WHL's drafting track record is much worse than the OHL or QMJHL.
I was really impressed with Benson in his first game this season, I'm going to the Giants Winterhawks game tomorrow so I'm looking forward to getting a good look at him and Bittner
Other than Ty Rattie is trying to break into the NHL on a team that has Stanley Cup aspirations.
Might be one of the most ignorant posts I've seen in a while. 31 goal first pro season is pretty damn good. This kid isn't trying to crack the Panthers, Flames, Oilers, Islanders, or Sabres here, he's competing with: Stastny, Backes, Oshie, Steen, Berglund, Tarasenko, and Schwarz...all but one of those guys were olympians last year weren't they.
This is what good organizations do, they season their prospects.
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This thread is premature.
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Other than Ty Rattie is trying to break into the NHL on a team that has Stanley Cup aspirations.
Might be one of the most ignorant posts I've seen in a while. 31 goal first pro season is pretty damn good. This kid isn't trying to crack the Panthers, Flames, Oilers, Islanders, or Sabres here, he's competing with: Stastny, Backes, Oshie, Steen, Berglund, Tarasenko, and Schwarz...all but one of those guys were olympians last year weren't they.
This is what good organizations do, they season their prospects.
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This thread is premature.
get a grip man.... quite a few of the players you mentioned are centers, 1 of them is a new acquisition...so not sure how that helps your argument, Rattie is a winger, so he's in competition with 2 or 3 of the players you listed. At some point, when you are going on 22 years old and still haven't cracked an NHL lineup, regardless of the depth of the team in question, superstar is perhaps not in the cards. by age 22 players are pretty much what they are...which is all I'm saying, no need for the hype machine to go into overdrive on what the expectations for Benson are based on his record setting performance that one particular season, as a he may be nothing more than Rattie, a late 1st. round/early 2nd round pick and at some point an NHL regular... or he may be more...who knows...
and the AHL argument is also rather lame...I can publish a book filled with names of players who have excelled at the AHL level but were less than that at the NHL level... so nice try, but also a fail.
get a grip man.
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get a grip man.... quite a few of the players you mentioned are centers. Rattie is a winger, so he's in competition with 2 or 3 of the players you listed. At some point, when you are going on 22 years old and still haven't cracked an NHL lineup, regardless of the depth of the team in question, superstar is perhaps not in the cards. by age 22 players are pretty much what they are...which is all I'm saying, no need for the hype machine to go into overdrive on what the expectations for Benson are based on his record setting performance that one particular season, as a he may be nothing more than Rattie, a late 1st. round/early 2nd round pick and at some point an NHL regular... or he may be more...who knows...
get a grip man.
You do know that Berglund, Schwartz, Tarasenko, Oshie and Steen all play wing. Right?
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Schwartz, Tarasenko like Rattie are wingers...I would include Steen as well as a winger who can play center. Those are the 2-3 players which I believe are Rattie's competition.
The others are centers who can and often do play on the wing when needed...but I would list them as centers...and would be my preferred position for them if I had a more capable winger... which Rattie should be, which he hasn't proven he is yet.
but let's get back to the thread, and the point I made, Benson's record breaking performance is no reason to send the hype machine into overdrive based on whose record he broke. that was the only point I made.
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He's in just starting his second year pro. So basically any prospect that plays out their junior career, gets drafted by a top end deep team, who fails to make the NHL in his first year is failure?
Good to know.
He's also 21. Will be for more than half a year. He was a first year pro. Going on 22. Sure he is but he's in 21 year old season. 2015-2016 will be his 22 year old season and you are obviously a fan of the eastern conference since you don't seem to have any grasp in the blues roster.
Good to know.
He's also 21. Will be for more than half a year. He was a first year pro. Going on 22. Sure he is but he's in 21 year old season. 2015-2016 will be his 22 year old season and you are obviously a fan of the eastern conference since you don't seem to have any grasp in the blues roster.
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Thought you were talking about Benson for a second and I was really confused.
But, definitely agree. Rattie put up 31 goals in his first year as a pro, and is stuck behind a crazy amount of forward depth and I doubt they're going to be quick to use him in the bottom-six if they don't have to.
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I'm excited to see what Benson can do in the upcoming year, personally, but does he have any supporting cast in Vancouver, or will he be making it on his own?
get a grip man.... quite a few of the players you mentioned are centers, 1 of them is a new acquisition...so not sure how that helps your argument, Rattie is a winger, so he's in competition with 2 or 3 of the players you listed. At some point, when you are going on 22 years old and still haven't cracked an NHL lineup, regardless of the depth of the team in question, superstar is perhaps not in the cards. by age 22 players are pretty much what they are...which is all I'm saying, no need for the hype machine to go into overdrive on what the expectations for Benson are based on his record setting performance that one particular season, as a he may be nothing more than Rattie, a late 1st. round/early 2nd round pick and at some point an NHL regular... or he may be more...who knows...
and the AHL argument is also rather lame...I can publish a book filled with names of players who have excelled at the AHL level but were less than that at the NHL level... so nice try, but also a fail.
get a grip man.
Rattie has played one year of pro hockey. He had a promising, above average debut year in the AHL, and remains a promising player with good NHL aspirations.
Comparing Rattie and Benson serves no purpose. One is 16, about to embark on his WHL career after a successful bantam career. The other a 21 yr old 2nd round pick who played 4 years of Junior hockey. Lets wait and see what happens with Benson.
The hype machine with Benson has been pretty small.
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Do people actually read and follow dialog on the thread. That is what I stated in the very beginning... no need to get the hype machine into overdrive based on records he broke considering whose record he broke...
If that offends the delicate sensibilities of St. Louis Blues fans or Ty Rattie fans, then there's not much I can do about that...
I don't think any of us responding are Blues fans. Firstly, you are calling him 22. He is not. You're trying to make it seem like he's worse than he is and you're also wrong on the depth chart of the Blues.
I agree about the hype on Benson and that it should be tempered just as I thought it should for Ekblad and Sean Day. Not every exceptional status or hyped Bantam becomes #1 dmen or first line pro's. Just didn't like or agree with your commentary on a first year pro player. Tied for 5th in AHL goals last season, lead the team in total points, and isn't the type of player you'll break in on your 4th line like a Jaskin.
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I don't think Benson is as naturally skilled as some other 2016 prospects, but in terms of Pro projection he brings a top 6 skill set with some jam. We've seen plenty of bantam superstars get passed, and while I don't think Benson has fallen off, I don't believe he was ever as good as his hype. He'll be a 1st round pick though.
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