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LW/RW Kirill Kaprizov - CSKA Moscow, KHL (2015, 135th, MIN)

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BagHead said:
I see where you're coming from, but I think it's simply a misconception because of perspective. From where I sit, I've noticed the Wild taking a relatively relaxed approach with all of their prospects, not just Kaprizov. For years the Wild rushed prospects to the NHL and ruined them. Since Fletcher became GM, he's taken a slower approach for the most part, allowing prospects to grow where they are, not pressuring them to go pro, but letting them sign the contract when they're ready. I get that that can look like he's just not interested in a player, or that he expects these guys to be overjoyed to even get the chance, but I really think that's just a communication error. I like Fletcher's approach to developing, but perhaps he needs to communicate his approach with his prospects more accurately, so they don't feel unwanted.
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Privately I've seen hoping for the Wild to sign him, even though I like the big picture of Russian players staying home. I think Kaprizov is ready, and it would have been interesting to see him in the NHL now, and it seems to me that the Wild were too casual. It does not seem they came at him aggressively with a bonus-laden deal.

If one believes also that the Wild offered Kaprizov to Vegas, as reported by Russo, then it really paints them in a bad light. I don't think many NHL clubs have learned from the Panarin situation; it seems they don't know just how good many of these guys are, and how much they can impact a club right away.
 
yeah, looks like they think players are owed to them and should actually come begging for the privilege to try himself there while we sit on our ***** doing nothing. well, sure, three years, bye bye. see you next time.
 
kp61c said:
yeah, looks like they think players are owed to them and should actually come begging for the privilege to try himself there while we sit on our ***** doing nothing. well, sure, three years, bye bye. see you next time.
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Plenty of useless speculation going on here.
 
this could be a big conspiracy or it just could be kaprizov wanted to make millions now instead of a low $$ elc here. im hoping more facts will reported. i would interview his north american agent to verify if mn wild made every attempt to contact him thru proper channels. (why wouldn't we?)
 
The "problem" is NHL teams need to see the KHL is real competition to them in this matter. Treating prospects like Kaprizov in the way they always do(from a high horse in a way) results in the following situation: Kaprizov gets a 3 year deal on the table from CSKA with CSKA people constantly in contact with him and his family giving him the feeling they really want him there and the contract is a nice insurance for his financial security here and now and on the other hand he gets to hear from his agent that the Wild want to see him around some day. He stated in an interview that since WJC nobody from the Wild talked to him personally. I think his choice was obvious in this case.

NHL teams need to give it more effort if they want top prospects to come. Lower tier prospects might be overjoyed there is interest at all, but not guys like Kaprizov.
 
Not relevant, but every time I see this guy's name I can't help but read Kirill Kabanov
 
Atas2000 said:
The "problem" is NHL teams need to see the KHL is real competition to them in this matter. Treating prospects like Kaprizov in the way they always do(from a high horse in a way) results in the following situation: Kaprizov gets a 3 year deal on the table from CSKA with CSKA people constantly in contact with him and his family giving him the feeling they really want him there and the contract is a nice insurance for his financial security here and now and on the other hand he gets to hear from his agent that the Wild want to see him around some day. He stated in an interview that since WJC nobody from the Wild talked to him personally. I think his choice was obvious in this case.

NHL teams need to give it more effort if they want top prospects to come. Lower tier prospects might be overjoyed there is interest at all, but not guys like Kaprizov.
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Or they were in close contact with his agent, and the limitations on an NHL entry level contact made the choice to stay in Russia preferable.

I really doubt that the problem was a lack of attention from Wild management.
 
Atas2000 said:
The "problem" is NHL teams need to see the KHL is real competition to them in this matter. Treating prospects like Kaprizov in the way they always do(from a high horse in a way) results in the following situation: Kaprizov gets a 3 year deal on the table from CSKA with CSKA people constantly in contact with him and his family giving him the feeling they really want him there and the contract is a nice insurance for his financial security here and now and on the other hand he gets to hear from his agent that the Wild want to see him around some day. He stated in an interview that since WJC nobody from the Wild talked to him personally. I think his choice was obvious in this case.

NHL teams need to give it more effort if they want top prospects to come. Lower tier prospects might be overjoyed there is interest at all, but not guys like Kaprizov.
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Russo, the Wild's beat writer for the Star Tribune, posted his latest podcast last night. According to him (filtered through the Wild's mgmt obviously, so take it how you will), The Wild have been attempting to contact Kaprizov. But Kaprizov stopped responding to his recently fired North American agent months ago.

That's why in May when rumors of the extension first popped up before he signed them Fletcher went on record saying Kaprizov would be coming to North America to play with the Wild, not the AHL. In the hopes that Kaprizov would read it as they haven't bee able to directly connect with him.

Not really sure what else they can do if Kaprizov won't respond to the Agent he got for North America. That seems like the proper channels to follow to me.
 
ThatGuy22 said:
Russo, the Wild's beat writer for the Star Tribune, posted his latest podcast last night. According to him (filtered through the Wild's mgmt obviously, so take it how you will), The Wild have been attempting to contact Kaprizov. But Kaprizov stopped responding to his recently fired North American agent months ago.

That's why in May when rumors of the extension first popped up before he signed them Fletcher went on record saying Kaprizov would be coming to North America to play with the Wild, not the AHL. In the hopes that Kaprizov would read it as they haven't bee able to directly connect with him.

Not really sure what else they can do if Kaprizov won't respond to the Agent he got for North America. That seems like the proper channels to follow to me.
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There was lots they could do. They could have sent a representative to Russia to track down Kaprizov, but they didn't. They could have spoken to him at games and tournaments and they didn't.

So he made the appropriate conclusion and stayed where he was wanted.
 
Fantomas said:
There was lots they could do. They could have sent a representative to Russia to track down Kaprizov, but they didn't. They could have spoken to him at games and tournaments and they didn't.

So he made the appropriate conclusion and stayed where he was wanted.
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What? Wild management tried to contact him multiple times. They approached his agent multiple times but Kaprizov didn't reply to him either.

He was wanted in Minnesota. Either he doesn't want to come over or he was pressured to sign his CSKA contract against his own preferences.

Here's the podcast. Kaprizov talk at around 33 minute mark.
 
FVM said:
What? Wild management tried to contact him multiple times. They approached his agent multiple times but Kaprizov didn't reply to him either.

He was wanted in Minnesota. Either he doesn't want to come over or he was pressured to sign his CSKA contract against his own preferences.

Here's the podcast. Kaprizov talk at around 33 minute mark.
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I've listened to it and I can say that sounds like it is a very weird case of miscommunication: Kaprizov's NA agents were fired back in May, that's why Wild representatives couldn't contact him since then. Makes me wonder what would they do if he wouldn't have any NA agents at all.
 
FVM said:
What? Wild management tried to contact him multiple times. They approached his agent multiple times but Kaprizov didn't reply to him either.

He was wanted in Minnesota. Either he doesn't want to come over or he was pressured to sign his CSKA contract against his own preferences.

Here's the podcast. Kaprizov talk at around 33 minute mark.
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Stop spreading this nonsense.
 
FVM said:
What? Wild management tried to contact him multiple times. They approached his agent multiple times but Kaprizov didn't reply to him either.

He was wanted in Minnesota. Either he doesn't want to come over or he was pressured to sign his CSKA contract against his own preferences.

Here's the podcast. Kaprizov talk at around 33 minute mark.
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Either he wanted to come to Sota, or not. By signing a contract at CSKA, he made a choice.

You can't be forced to sign a contract. Did he have a gun to his head?
 
In the minds of some uninformed ppl this is the case. They can't fathom why a player would want to stay in Russia and fully develop, play at home, make more money.

Fans and NHL brass are very impatient and try to force players on a path that gives them the least amount of success. Its very paradoxical.
 
FVM said:
What? Wild management tried to contact him multiple times. They approached his agent multiple times but Kaprizov didn't reply to him either.

He was wanted in Minnesota. Either he doesn't want to come over or he was pressured to sign his CSKA contract against his own preferences.

Here's the podcast. Kaprizov talk at around 33 minute mark.
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How hard is it to get a guy's phone number?

And please spare us of the foolish western conspiracy theories about "pressure to sign". They are not even hilarious.
 
RossiyaSport said:
In the minds of some uninformed ppl this is the case. They can't fathom why a player would want to stay in Russia and fully develop, play at home, make more money.

Fans and NHL brass are very impatient and try to force players on a path that gives them the least amount of success. Its very paradoxical.
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Well, for them it is the easy way. They want to have prospects under better control(i.e. in NA) and they care litttle if they fail until the certainty point at which they see a roster player in a prospect for sure. Prospects are just material supply to them. From thousands of young hockey players all over the world they just choose the ones that one should say survive their development system. More fail than succeed obviously. It is business as usual.

That is one of the biigest reasons for Russians to stay. In Russia ppl will care more about their development in a more personal way.

That is not to say Russia is paradise lost. The above also just applies to russian top prospects. A tier below they treat players just the same as in NA.
 
Killerjas said:
Either he wanted to come to Sota, or not. By signing a contract at CSKA, he made a choice.

You can't be forced to sign a contract. Did he have a gun to his head?
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Russo was actually peddling this nonsense. Pretty embarrassing.
 
Caser said:
I've listened to it and I can say that sounds like it is a very weird case of miscommunication: Kaprizov's NA agents were fired back in May, that's why Wild representatives couldn't contact him since then. Makes me wonder what would they do if he wouldn't have any NA agents at all.
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It's hilarious that not being able to contact Kaprizov's non-existent NA agent completely stopped the Wild in their tracks. And their fans are defending this rather than being mad at them for screwing this up.
 
Russo is a great beat reporter, but people confuse his speculations with his reporting a lot, because he gets a lot of air time in which he does speculate. Russo was speculating that there was a lot of pressure from CSKA Moscow, not reporting it as fact. To be fair, from the vantage point of North America, with the false news that kept coming out of the KHL about Kaprizov signing, it did look like they were applying pressure. Now that he's actually signed and talked about his reasons for doing so, it looks less like that.
 
Oddly enough Kaprizov is not listed on the CSKA Moscow team page and the roster was updated today. Especially odd considering that even if he hadn't signed an extension, his existing contract was until the end of next season.

http://en.khl.ru/clubs/cska/team/
 
jrhombus said:
Oddly enough Kaprizov is not listed on the CSKA Moscow team page and the roster was updated today. Especially odd considering that even if he hadn't signed an extension, his existing contract was until the end of next season.

http://en.khl.ru/clubs/cska/team/
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Just a small database bug. In the general list of players he is still listed as a Salavat Yulaev player.

His player page though shows CSKA as well as the contract through 2020.

http://www.khl.ru/players/21131/

He is listed on the CSKA web site too of course:

http://beta.cska-hockey.ru/team/staff/

Grabbing for straws?
 
Atas2000 said:
Just a small database bug. In the general list of players he is still listed as a Salavat Yulaev player.

His player page though shows CSKA as well as the contract through 2020.

http://www.khl.ru/players/21131/

He is listed on the CSKA web site too of course:

http://beta.cska-hockey.ru/team/staff/

Grabbing for straws?
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Yep!
Was hoping there was a grand conspiracy! :naughty:

I've also come to the conclusion that the only conclusion we can draw from this is that the KHL website is terrible. Here's another Kaprizov player page with no contract info: http://en.khl.ru/players/21131/
 
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Caser said:
I've listened to it and I can say that sounds like it is a very weird case of miscommunication: Kaprizov's NA agents were fired back in May, that's why Wild representatives couldn't contact him since then. Makes me wonder what would they do if he wouldn't have any NA agents at all.
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This is all I've gotten out of this whole thing as well. It doesn't reflect particularly well on the Wild, but I can sort of understand since this situation is kind of an outlier for them. It seems like they should have been more proactive when they first got an inkling of a communications breakdown, but beyond that I'm not sure what they should have done differently.

All the talk of Minnesota snubbing Kaprizov or Kaprizov being coerced into signing in the KHL just sound like thinly-veiled attempts to cram this into preconceived narratives.
 
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