LW Quentin Musty - Sudbury Wolves, OHL (2023, 26th, SJS)

[Fistfullofbeer]

Last season he was a 0.60 ppg this season so far 1.60 ppg player.
pretty big jump in production from last season.

So has Goyette. I wonder if they just do a really good job feeding off each other. I have not watched either of them play this season so curious to learn more about why they both seemed to have improved.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Supposedly dropped the gloves with Ritchie today again Oshawa, didn't see it though

Also got first star of the game with a goal and two assists

Not a popular take (so far) but I think Musty gets drafted ahead of Ritchie (again).

 

[Antonche]

Not a popular take (so far) but I think Musty gets drafted ahead of Ritchie (again).

Calum Ritchie too difficult player to mark him. He might be a new Scheifele, but he might be no more, than Chytil.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Not a popular take (so far) but I think Musty gets drafted ahead of Ritchie (again).

I'd be shocked if Ritchie went ahead of Musty. But that wouldn't be the first time.

 

[Lavar Ball]

Not a popular take (so far) but I think Musty gets drafted ahead of Ritchie (again).

I think he will too. I think Barlow is the first off the board though from the OHL

 

[ponder]

Calum Ritchie too difficult player to mark him. He might be a new Scheifele, but he might be no more, than Chytil.

Chytil’s a pretty good player already at 23! Ritchie’s downside is significantly lower than that IMO.

 

[Lavar Ball]

 

[MichaelFarrell]

I think Musty has some of the most appealing tools in the draft. I keep seeing him ranked a bit low on draft boards and I think that’s because of his inconsistencies this year. But, I honestly would take a chance on him pretty early in the draft.

Quentin Musty has great hands, a great shot, and he moves well for a big guy. He has the athletic ability and strength to be more of power forward if he decides to play that style. He shows flashes of that kind of game rarely however and at this point he’s more of a skilled winger. He does have a lot of skill to his game but if he would embrace a physical role, he’d be a force. He has the tools to be a legit top 6 winger in the NHL.

Musty is definitely pretty raw in his skillset. There are definitely risks associated with drafting him. His ability to process the game is still a work in progress. He’s a player with some phenomenal tools but doesn’t utilize them efficiently enough. With his skillset, he should be a player that is a top scorer in the league and he just isn’t and with his shooting ability he should be on pace for far more than 21 goals in 54 games.

I know a lack of Hockey IQ might deter people from wanted to draft him, but he has really improved this year so I think it’s something that he will continue to improve. He’s at the top half of the first round for me because I think he’s worth the risk.

 

[Lavar Ball]

He's honestly been really consistent ever since the coaching change in Sudbury. I think him vs. Barlow is an interesting debate to be had. Musty is definitely a more toolsy player likely with superior upside

 

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[Brock]

 

[blindpass]

Can someone explain the "20-80" scale McKeen's uses? Why?

 

[Brock]

Can someone explain the "20-80" scale McKeen's uses? Why?

We include this at the end of every report for a reason, as we understand that it can be difficult to keep track of everyone’s specific rating scale.

“A note on the 20-80 scale used above. We look at five attributes (skating, shooting, puck skills, hockey IQ and physicality) for skaters and six for goalies (athleticism/quickness, compete/temperament, vision/play reading, technique/style, rebound control and puck handling). Each individual attribute is graded along the 20-80 scales, which includes half-grades. The idea is that a projection of 50 in a given attribute meant that our observer believed that the player could get to roughly NHL average at that attribute at maturity.”

 

[QJL]

Calum Ritchie too difficult player to mark him. He might be a new Scheifele, but he might be no more, than Chytil.

Chytil is one of the most productive per minute players in the league this season. That’s a solid upside.

 

[blindpass]

We include this at the end of every report for a reason, as we understand that it can be difficult to keep track of everyone’s specific rating scale.

“A note on the 20-80 scale used above. We look at five attributes (skating, shooting, puck skills, hockey IQ and physicality) for skaters and six for goalies (athleticism/quickness, compete/temperament, vision/play reading, technique/style, rebound control and puck handling). Each individual attribute is graded along the 20-80 scales, which includes half-grades. The idea is that a projection of 50 in a given attribute meant that our observer believed that the player could get to roughly NHL average at that attribute at maturity.”

But why? 0-100 is so much more intuitive.

 

[Brock]

But why? 0-100 is so much more intuitive.

Baseball only uses the 20-80 scale to scout its prospects. Those who started McKeens decided to use it as well for hockey.

 

[badfish]

But why? 0-100 is so much more intuitive.

I used to think this way too but if you read into why the 20-80 scale was made i think it is actually a great way to score.

The idea is that 50 is average, and every 10 points is equal to a standard deviation.

In a normal distribution 99.7% of data occurs within 3 standard deviations of the mean (average). 3 x 10 = 30, so 50 +/- 30 is going to cover 99.7% of results.

So then you have things broken up quite nicely to get nearly the full range of NHL player outcomes, with each 10 point increment representing if an attribute is 1 or more standard deviations below/above NHL average.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He's honestly been really consistent ever since the coaching change in Sudbury. I think him vs. Barlow is an interesting debate to be had. Musty is definitely a more toolsy player likely with superior upside

Here's the debate for me,

Musty has superior tools but doesn't always apply them productively.
Barlow has lesser tools but knows how to apply them productively.

 

[blindpass]

I used to think this way too but if you read into why the 20-80 scale was made i think it is actually a great way to score.

The idea is that 50 is average, and every 10 points is equal to a standard deviation.

In a normal distribution 99.7% of data occurs within 3 standard deviations of the mean (average). 3 x 10 = 30, so 50 +/- 30 is going to cover 99.7% of results.

So then you have things broken up quite nicely to get nearly the full range of NHL plapyer outcomes, with each 10 point increment representing if an attribute is 1 or more standard deviations below/above NHL average.

Thanks for the details, this really clarifies what it's doing. The weirdness is centering it at 50 rather than zero I guess, and to a lesser degree the arbitrary cutoff of 3sd.

 

[Lavar Ball]

4 primary assists tonight

 

[Artorius Horus T]

16 goals
44 assists
60 points
1.50 ppg
+12
174 sog
61 pim

 

[majormajor]

Thanks for the details, this really clarifies what it's doing. The weirdness is centering it at 50 rather than zero I guess, and to a lesser degree the arbitrary cutoff of 3sd.

There's only about 600 skaters at a time in the NHL so the very best one would be in the 99.8th percentile, between 3 and 4 standard deviations. I don't know if that's why they only use 3sd but the point is that it covers everyone or almost everyone.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

For a guy with an elite shot, why hasn't he been able to score more?

I see Arthur Kaliyev as a comp in the McKeens article, which sorta makes sense, but Kaliyev scored 51 goals in his draft year.

 

[MichaelFarrell]

For a guy with an elite shot, why hasn't he been able to score more?

I see Arthur Kaliyev as a comp in the McKeens article, which sorta makes sense, but Kaliyev scored 51 goals in his draft year.

He doesn’t really use it as effectively as he could. He has a phenomenal shot and great physical tools, but he plays too much like a small playmaking winger lol.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not bad having some play making ability and good hands. But, if he is going to truly reach his potential he is going to need to adapt into more of a goal-scoring power forward. He does show some flashes of it sometimes so I think it’s in him. But, he’s not consistent enough with it.

I think Musty is a very talented player and could be an absolute steal. But, he needs to refine his skating and start playing more like Ryan Leonard and less like Gabe Perreault for example.

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

He doesn’t really use it as effectively as he could. He has a phenomenal shot and great physical tools, but he plays too much like a small playmaking winger lol.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s not bad having some play making ability and good hands. But, if he is going to truly reach his potential he is going to need to adapt into more of a goal-scoring power forward. He does show some flashes of it sometimes so I think it’s in him. But, he’s not consistent enough with it.

I think Musty is a very talented player and could be an absolute steal. But, he needs to refine his skating and start playing more like Ryan Leonard and less like Gabe Perreault for example.

Playing like a small playmaking winger isn't going to work at all in the NHL given he's a lumbering skater, which is a huge concern (could he even be average?).

I like his shot & playmaking skill but seems like a real project.