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LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016 Draft) VI

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Henkka said:
Who says Laine could not turn to center at the future? He is a special talent and can learn any thing he wants to.

Just learn to win faceoffs on a "bad" level and you have Evgeny Malkin in your team.
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Slow, shoot first center with next to no defense. Yeah, no. Most of his goals don't come from front of the net anyway and I'm not sure if he would be able to utilize that one timer of his.
 
Hfboards expectations about Laine against Canada (if he wants to have discussion about 1 OA):

 
QnebO said:
Hfboards expectations about Laine against Canada (if he wants to have discussion about 1 OA):

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He need 3-4 of those to be in the discussion, also the shot must break the sound barrier, otherwise, not impressed :sarcasm:
 
Gabranth said:
It would be interesting if he scored 3 points again.

Matthews didn't score tonight (even if it was close) and he had much better linemates this time. If Laine puts on a show against Canada it would make the decision a little bit harder.
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Ehhhh I'm not sure any single game impacts draft stock

I know it's one game and all.. maybe this is just the homer in me wanting that first #1 Finnish pick.
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Yes.
 
7even said:
Ehhhh I'm not sure any single game impacts draft stock



Yes.
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Lol.. I think you're being too biased about matthews, relax. You can't really say no game matters. It is actually true that every game matters, not the ohter way around. And no, he wasn't being homer imo, not sure about you though.
 
7even said:
Ehhhh I'm not sure any single game impacts draft stock



Yes.
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Funnily, it's not just a single game. He outscored him in the WJC. Liiga vs NLA can be argued, I say their regular season was about even, however Laine led his team to a championship. It seems like Laine will be ahead in WHC as well, who knows he could lead the whole tournament.

I know points aren't everything and Matthews plays a 'more solid game' but when we're talking about points Laine has the lead.
 
Henkka said:
Who says Laine could not turn to center at the future? He is a special talent and can learn any thing he wants to.
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Me. He won't. That's like taking the best off of a player and trying to turn him into a center which I'm not pretty high on. I mean he could but highly doubt that.
Whileee said:
Matthews and Stamkos are a much better combination stylistically than Laine and Stamkos, in my opinion.
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Yep but there's never too much goal scorers right? Laine and Stamkos would be pretty deadly on the PP, guess Stamkos would have to give his circle spot for Laine since Laine may have the better shot.;)

But not gonna happen.
 
Territory said:
The only people who care are biased and irrational posters on this website.

It won't make Hunters job any harder. He should already know who he is going to draft.
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It's true. Who the Leafs are picking first is already done with. All Laine can do at this point is keep proving his worth to Finland, and most likely the Jets.
 
Gabranth said:
Funnily, it's not just a single game. He outscored him in the WJC. Liiga vs NLA can be argued, I say their regular season was about even, however Laine led his team to a championship. It seems like Laine will be ahead in WHC as well, who knows he could lead the whole tournament.

I know points aren't everything and Matthews plays a 'more solid game' but when we're talking about points Laine has the lead.
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You know points aren't everything yet points are the only legit argument that can be made to promote Laine over Matthews #1, which is a terrible argument to start with. You have Toews as your avatar and yet are arguing for Phil Kessel because he scores more... That is essentially what the Laine-AM argument is.

But finally, finally Finland will be playing a team that is better than them. And everyone will watch to see how he does against legit competition, how he handles it 5-on-5 with NHL speed buzzing around him. If he plays well (not talking about points which we all know he's capable of getting next to Barkov and on the PP) people will really notice, and I imagine he'll start getting taken more seriously amongst the many doubters he has. It's an important game for him to show what he's got.

Gabranth said:
http://news.nationalpost.com/sports...-to-stay-perfect-at-world-hockey-championship

"He is arguably the best player in tournament, and certainly giving Auston Matthews a run for his money.

More praise for Laine. :popcorn:
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That link doesn't mention Laine.
 
Cotton said:
You know points aren't everything yet points are the only legit argument that can be made to promote Laine over Matthews #1, which is a terrible argument to start with. You have Toews as your avatar and yet are arguing for Phil Kessel because he scores more... That is essentially what the Laine-AM argument is.

But finally, finally Finland will be playing a team that is better than them. And everyone will watch to see how he does against legit competition, how he handles it 5-on-5 with NHL speed buzzing around him. If he plays well (not talking about points which we all know he's capable of getting next to Barkov and on the PP) people will really notice, and I imagine he'll start getting taken more seriously amongst the many doubters he has. It's an important game for him to show what he's got.



That link doesn't mention Laine.
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Video.
 
Cotton said:
You know points aren't everything yet points are the only legit argument that can be made to promote Laine over Matthews #1, which is a terrible argument to start with. You have Toews as your avatar and yet are arguing for Phil Kessel because he scores more... That is essentially what the Laine-AM argument is.

But finally, finally Finland will be playing a team that is better than them. And everyone will watch to see how he does against legit competition, how he handles it 5-on-5 with NHL speed buzzing around him. If he plays well (not talking about points which we all know he's capable of getting next to Barkov and on the PP) people will really notice, and I imagine he'll start getting taken more seriously amongst the many doubters he has. It's an important game for him to show what he's got.
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I agree, I hate to say that 1 game matters draft wise but this game can affect my personal opinion. Laine's last game against top comp (USA) he didn't look so good.
A big game from him, not talking points at all!!!! I mean strong 5 v 5 play, good back checking, smart with the puck are all more important than PP points especially with the Finish roster.


Also are teams allowed to test the player on ice? can they call on their players to play a full contact scrimage on small ice?
 
QnebO said:
Lol.. I think you're being too biased about matthews, relax. You can't really say no game matters. It is actually true that every game matters, not the ohter way around. And no, he wasn't being homer imo, not sure about you though.
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The guy who shares your opinion about your nations top prospect is not a homer, the guy that doesn't share your opinion about your nations top prospect is. Got it. Everyone is biased if they don't share your opinion about your nations prospect and you and those who share your opinions about your nations top prospect are beacons of objectivity.
 
QnebO said:
Lol.. I think you're being too biased about matthews, relax. You can't really say no game matters. It is actually true that every game matters, not the ohter way around. And no, he wasn't being homer imo, not sure about you though.
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Unfortunately he is right. Matthews would've had to completely suck in this tournament or Laine go absolutely apesh*t for this WHC to matter at all. And even then they could've rode the "it's just one tournament" argument.

Media loves to hype up the draft every single year, even when McDavid went up against Eichel (gap between those guys are bigger than what we have this year). And Finnish media has to come up with something to write about.

I've said it many times before and i say it again. There's no way Toronto picks Laine while the whole city chant Matthews's name already. He fits a need and fits the rebuild. Picking Laine would be a gamble in a sense that if he doesn't pan out the same way Matthews does, can you imagine what a disaster that would be ? They finally get that chance to draft 1st after sucking so many years, they have the player they need and then they blew it.

As Matthews likes to say Toronto is the hockey "mecca" of the world. Even if there's people in the organization who like Laine more in the long run, they aren't in a position to pick him. Too much pressure meanwhile it makes too much sense to go with Matthews. That's a tough combo to start making out of the blue decisions.

Laine vs Matthews died as soon as we got the draft order. Toronto was one of the most boring teams to win the 1st overall for people who wanted the decision to come down to the wire.
 
remote said:
I agree, I hate to say that 1 game matters draft wise but this game can affect my personal opinion. Laine's last game against top comp (USA) he didn't look so good.
A big game from him, not talking points at all!!!! I mean strong 5 v 5 play, good back checking, smart with the puck are all more important than PP points especially with the Finish roster.


Also are teams allowed to test the player on ice? can they call on their players to play a full contact scrimage on small ice?
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I disagree: this one game will not matter that much, as GMs and Scouts base their opinions on a body of work over many games watched. One game is not going to have a significant impact on those opinions (unless someone absolutely craps the bed). The next major step in determining their pick is the NHL Scouting Combine which takes place on May 30 to June 4...complete physical and medical assessments, and in-depth interviews to gauge personality / dedication / intangibles (which the Jets really value).

EDIT: oops misread...it's going to sway your opinion only. Will not sway mine too much, unless he completely dominates and scores 3+ goals and is sound defensively!
 
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20 mins to the Canada - Finland game. Would be a good time for Laine to play his best game of the tournament. Not only stats wise but from a visually perspective of being good all around the ice. Looking forward to discussing his game when it is over.
 

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