Comparing what Marner did to Patrick Kane is sort of relevant considering they are both former Knights, and I don't think I've said he'll be as good as Kane anywhere. Laine's a great prospect, but the point record is really nothing considering there really hasn't been much competition for it. Now, I think Laine is better than Marner, but atleast Marner's accomplishments are comparable to the other OHL guys before him.
LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016 Draft) VI
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Captain Timo
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You can say the same about another guy in the draft too, can't you?
Well, to lesser extent
I understand your point. And its fair. If Auston wasn't a center would you prefer Laine? What is a bigger accomplishment? Breaking a record in Junior (if he does) or breaking one that was held by an all time great, against men, at 18 years old.
You didn't say it but all it takes is a click on that thread and a lot of people say it. If we are pumping the brakes on Laine lets do the same there too. I still think Laine will be the better of the two, but Auston obviously fits your team more going forward. Discrediting what he is doing though because he plays with Barkov or because he plays against weak teams so far is not fair to him. The kid is dynamic, and is going to be a treat to watch in the NHL.
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You can say the same about another guy in the draft too, can't you?
Damn, now I wish Puljujärvi had made it into the team.
I'd like to see him do well vs a team that will challenge him on the space he gets. Jagr's record is like 20 years old, in a very different era of the tourny (Pre collapse of the Iron curtain led to certain teams sending better players). Marner's accomplishments are more comparable to the recent prospects in the OHL, which produces a significant portion of top players in the league over a much large sample size. The only top prospect to play in there under 18 years in the last 15 years are Kopitar for Slovenia.
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Tbh he hasn't been that good in this tournament. Sometimes it's frustrating to watch him solo instead of making a good pass to his linemates. He could have even more points if he would have made some passes. He also has passed puck to the other team many times. There is a lot of hype arround him and you can see it the way he plays. He didn't look as confident in Hungary game than he has looked in the first two games.
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Just because you don't watch stuff like the Liiga playoffs it doesn't mean it doesn't exist
Oh my freaking god! Thank god someone else is seeing what I'm seeing! He keeps forcing passes and trying to make the hard play
I've noticed it since the US game. Maybe he is trying to up his draft stock, or is it just inexperience?
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Well that's only 2 games and in both our 5on5 play has been awfull, no one seems to be connecting.
Maybe that's why he's trying to force the play more on his own.
Saw a tweet reminding that Finland has scored 17 goals in 4 games, Laine has 7 points, and started the play for game winning goal against USA, in which he didn't get a point.
This by undrafted player but still his game gets complained so much.
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I too know he can perform better and badly hope he will, but at times it feels like we forget we are talking about non drafted prospect here, and feels like if the team Finlands game is not going as well as expected we look at Laine 1st, again undrafted prospect.
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Could just be the inexperience. This is tournament (especially against the better teams) is a pretty high level of competition for a young player to go up against. Possible as well all the media nonsense has put more pressure on him and is leading to him forcing plays a bit.
Anyways the leaders in the room will probably settle him down if it is that kind of thing. Might not hurt either if everyone steps up and Laine isn't feeling as much pressure.
Still a fantastic prospect. Might just get a bit tougher either way as Finland moves towards the elimination games and faces more difficult opponents.
Yeah. The media is putting up a lot of pressure, both at home and abroad. Laine is often included in headlines now. After the US game, there was certainly a "Finland won, but Laine lost" sentiment that I thought the media pushed.
So, in the last 10 years 1 top player in the NHL player (Barkov) has played in it and the last #2 pick to do something similar to Laine has not lived up to his draft position (mostly position and injury related though). That's really a lot to draw from........
I know it exists, I streamed some of it.
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Yeah, that's his game and he's young. Crosby/malkin turn the puck over quite often in games. That's because they try to make the play that creates a goal, not the easiest play that leads to nothing. Obviously he has some things to learn but that's his game.
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Yes, people seem to have problems remembering Laine being a undrafted prospect. Also undermining his points against "lesser" countries is pretty hilarious, if you compare it for example to the case of McDavid. He had 1,57ppg in U20s in his draft year - against kids. Now Laine has 1.75ppg against grown up men and people are expecting him to play perfect 2way game.
What Laine (and Matthews) are doing is already damn exciting. Just enjoy their play while you still can.
P.S. It took 10 games for Eichel last year to score 7 points.
You really like statistics I can see that. You will always find facts that discredit peoples achievements if you look carefully enough. It really amuses me that every time Laine does something impressive (to most people) you come here and tell us why it actually wasn't that impressive. There is always some statistic reason for it. Oh but, Jagr had better competition in front of him or "The record hasn't really been challenged anyway".
I've never, NEVER seen you come up with statistics that suggest Laine has done something positive. And that's okay. The problem is when you only come up with negative stuff to comment on.
And just to be clear I think Matthews is the better prospect, I agree with you on that regard. I just find your overall commenting very amusing.
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Noticed. If it wasn't as flop-sided you might give him credit for atleast bringing objective perspective but that has never been the case because it's so transparent even starting from the user name itself. But yeah, can't help but to wonder why someone wants to put this much time and effort to belittle a prospect for no better reason than his team probably drafting another player. Don't really care but it is indeed pretty sad.
Ovechkin just proves you don't build around an elite winger. Laine is going to be amazing but not a good pick up for toronto
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Agreed. Of course he is trying everything he can to be a 1st overall pick. It's also inexperience, so both.
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He will be one of the main piece for the Jets and a very good one.
We hope Hellybuyck will be one of the center pieces though..
Pronman went Laine #1, first notable to do it since McKeens
http://espn.go.com/nhl/insider/stor...ws-lead-list-top-100-prospects-2016-nhl-draft
Edit: So I came here to post something positive.
http://espn.go.com/nhl/insider/stor...ws-lead-list-top-100-prospects-2016-nhl-draft
Edit: So I came here to post something positive.
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