LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016 Draft) IX

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No doubt, 100% agree.

I also think he will improve his skating.

I still believe he will have a harder time than Matthews and Puljujarvi in the NHL AT FIRST because the other two are elite skaters, but he'll be more than fine once he gets it going.
Well, I disagree. Laine's speed when he gets going is actually pretty absurd. Barkov was a worse skater in nearly every way and he did OK. You're either overrating skating or underestimating Laine's.
 
What about his character ,it seems that he has attitude .

His attitude is not a problem but an asset to me. Sort of like with PK Subban, that kind of attitude gives players confidence, drive and clutch. Plus it makes interview more entertaining.
 
Laine's home rink is a hybrid, not international. He'll require half the adaptation in comparison to players who come from environments with international size rinks.

BTW, Laine is far more useful without the puck than Puljujärvi, so I'm sure he'll be better in 5v5 than him. Have you watched them play? Laine was dominating vs Kärpät almost every shift, Puljujärvi was mostly invisible despite scoring some points. Do you know what the Kärpät fans were saying during the series?

Regarding injuries, well Laine was more productive earlier on in the season as well. In fact, in his first 33 games he scored 27 points.

It's not just about the rink size, it's the intensity, speed and physicality that increase dramatically once he steps onto NHL ice. Laine looked lost against the speed of the Canadians at the WHC a couple weeks ago, that was NHL level competition and imagine that in the NHL sized rink. Also the difference in shot blocking is massive which changes the whole dynamics of how goals are scored.

I hate to beat the dead horse on this but Puljujärvi is the better player without the puck and 5-on-5. You can disagree and refer to the small sample size of 7 games to support your claim, but that is how I feel. Saying Laine was dominating almost every shift while Pilju was mostly visible is simply not the truth. The only domination on Laine's part was the unscreened point shots on a struggling goalie that found their way in mostly shortside, that's pretty much it. And Pulju's points weren't just "some points." Two of them were OT winners. And all that while receiving limited ice time and playing with an shoulder and knee injury. He demolished Laine in pts / 60 min over the series but you believe what you will.
 
I wasn't talking about points at all, but specifically the other things. I'd have said that Laine was dominating Kärpät even if Laine scored 0 points.

And well, we'll just disagree regarding the two players away from the puck.
 
Well, I disagree. Laine's speed when he gets going is actually pretty absurd. Barkov was a worse skater in nearly every way and he did OK. You're either overrating skating or underestimating Laine's.

But Barkov did have big problems adapting his offensive game in to the NHL. It's completely realistic to think that Laine will take a while to get used to the faster small rink NHL.

He might be star right out of the gates. But if I had to bet, I'd say Pulju and Matthews will have easier time adapting to the NHL. That's not saying anything about who will be the best player though. But the first games will likely see Laine having more problems with the explosive nature of the NHL.
 
Also, I wish more players were encouraged to be like Laine. That type of personality is what sells sports, too bad hockey players are often trained to be as boring as possible.

There's a difference between having a personality and acting like a childish, narcississtic jerk.
 
There's a difference between having a personality and acting like a childish, narcississtic jerk.

If you are implying he crossed it, please tell me how.

Eichel said he was better than McDavid, so have a lot of other prospects. They want to be the best.

Laine gives it all for his team. He has said he wants to win gold at the WHC, The Olympics and that he wants the cup. He also said after the loss to get silver that he wasn't even concerned with the draft at that moment. He cares.
 
Unfairness upon unfairness on Jessi Puljujärvi.:sarcasm:

Goes armless, legless and having vomited his guts out to the U18 finale and throws a hatter, just to have his name written wrong on other guys' hype-up like he was a sassy Texan nanny.

seriously what more could you ask from him :laugh:
 
It's not just about the rink size, it's the intensity, speed and physicality that increase dramatically once he steps onto NHL ice. Laine looked lost against the speed of the Canadians at the WHC a couple weeks ago

no he didnt? and Canada even had a lot of exceptionally fast players in the team.

Not partaking in the Pulju vs Laine debate because Pulju has too many tools for me to be able to ignore the possibility of him becoming better.
 
If you are implying he crossed it, please tell me how.

Eichel said he was better than McDavid, so have a lot of other prospects. They want to be the best.

Laine gives it all for his team. He has said he wants to win gold at the WHC, The Olympics and that he wants the cup. He also said after the loss to get silver that he wasn't even concerned with the draft at that moment. He cares.

this, his attitude is a positive asset.

oh no how dare he believe in himself like other superstars do, what a tragedy to say he wants to prove hes the best he should just be submissive on ice from now on :sarcasm:
 
Newsflash, every single pro athlete believes he can become the best or that he already is the best. Every single one of them.

Some say it out loud and some don't.
 
It's not just about the rink size, it's the intensity, speed and physicality that increase dramatically once he steps onto NHL ice. Laine looked lost against the speed of the Canadians at the WHC a couple weeks ago, that was NHL level competition and imagine that in the NHL sized rink. Also the difference in shot blocking is massive which changes the whole dynamics of how goals are scored.

I hate to beat the dead horse on this but Puljujärvi is the better player without the puck and 5-on-5. You can disagree and refer to the small sample size of 7 games to support your claim, but that is how I feel. Saying Laine was dominating almost every shift while Pilju was mostly visible is simply not the truth. The only domination on Laine's part was the unscreened point shots on a struggling goalie that found their way in mostly shortside, that's pretty much it. And Pulju's points weren't just "some points." Two of them were OT winners. And all that while receiving limited ice time and playing with an shoulder and knee injury. He demolished Laine in pts / 60 min over the series but you believe what you will.

In fairness to the bolded. Laine was widely lauded for having his best game of the tournament against Canada in the round robin game. I didn't read one post that did not come away being nothing but impressed of Laine that game by how involved he was in the game, how creative he was, and how he stood out to where Canadian players including Perry were trying to knock him off his game.

As for the gold medal game, yes he was more quiet. But there were NHL proven players that were quiet in that game also including Barkov. So perhaps this had more to do with Canada playing a clinical game, rather than rink size or not being able to handle NHL players.
 
In fairness to the bolded. Laine was widely lauded for having his best game of the tournament against Canada in the round robin game. I didn't read one post that did not come away being impressed by how involved he was in the game, how creative he was, and how he stood out to wear Canadian players including Perry were trying to knock him off his game. As for the gold medal game, yes he was more quiet. But there were NHL proven players that were quiet in that game also including Barkov. So perhaps this had more to do with Canada playing a clinical game, rather than rink size or not being able to handle NHL players.

And let's not pretend that he was invisible that game. He had Finland's best scoring chance and several others.
 
no he didnt? and Canada even had a lot of exceptionally fast players in the team.

Not partaking in the Pulju vs Laine debate because Pulju has too many tools for me to be able to ignore the possibility of him becoming better.

Fair enough, "lost" might be too strong a word but he did look overwhelmed for the majority of the game. Created a turnover after turnover as the Canadians closed in on him and took away any extra time and space. The 3rd period was probably the worst I have ever seen Laine play.

That screamed to me that he'll have some adjustment ahead of him once enters the NHL. Not saying he cannot overcome the challenges, but I reserve judgement at this point until I see him play NHL level competition on a regular basis. The same applies to Puljujärvi as well, although I am more optimistic about his adjustment to the 5-on-5 play in the NHL. No matter how well they have played on big ice, the smaller rink makes the game so different that nothing is set in stone until proven otherwise.
 
In fairness to the bolded. Laine was widely lauded for having his best game of the tournament against Canada in the round robin game. I didn't read one post that did not come away being nothing but impressed of Laine that game by how involved he was in the game, how creative he was, and how he stood out to wear Canadian players including Perry were trying to knock him off his game.

That is true, but I don't think Canada showed nearly the same speed they did in the Gold Medal game.
 
Laine not invited.



Just like Aho. They play big guys now, so if they somehow will play WJC, it will be just very big + to get them that team. Tough i think Laine and Aho when they play NHL don't participate to Finland WJC team in December and i think Puljujärvi is out of that team too, but there is bigger chance to him been in team. But where is Urho Vaakanainen? That team looks very promising.
 
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Just like Aho. They play big guys now, so if they somehow will play WJC, it will be just very big + to get them that team. Tough i think Laine and Aho when they play NHL don't participate to Finland WJC team in December and i think Puljujärvi is out of that team too, but there is bigger chance to him been in team.
I think it's because of the World Cup tbh
 
Just like Aho. They play big guys now, so if they somehow will play WJC, it will be just very big + to get them that team. Tough i think Laine and Aho when they play NHL don't participate to Finland WJC team in December and i think Puljujärvi is out of that team too, but there is bigger chance to him been in team. But where is Urho Vaakanainen? That team looks very promising.

It's because Aho and Laine are on the World cup team.
 
If the jets are smart and give him loads of PP time I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him put up 30 next year.

Keep in mind the adjusted goalie equipment on the horizon

I'm just hoping for 15-20. Anything over that is gravy IMO.
 

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