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LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016 Draft) IX

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Stephen said:
As a Leafs fan, I'm more annoyed with Finnish Fan Boys to be honest, since there's not a whole lot wrong with Laine even if we factor in all the supposed rock star stuff, which doesn't really matter to me. If the Leafs had the second overall pick, I'd be pretty pumped to draft Laine. If the Leafs had the first and second overall picks, I'd be rubbing the Matthews-Laine combo in everyone's face on Hfboards.

Finnish fans want to see Laine drafted first overall. He's probably put together the most impressive draft eligible season ever coming out of Finland. So there's been a lot of hyperbolic talk, a lot of crazy comparisons, and a ton of defensive mother hen garbage surrounding this kid. Well, any other draft, any other pick and we'd be happy to have him, but Toronto Maple Leafs mostly prefer something else.
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Sorry, but i very much disagree, in here HFBoards and Jatkoaika, it's really not the case at all like 95% Finnish fan, 1st pick it's not me or they first priority (i think it's more that to USA hockey and NA people get Matthews first). We are so happy that we have this kind of talent and talents that it's the first and second priority to us to get stars and good hockey players to NHL. Yes, it would be very nice get our first 1st pick, but more we are happy that we have so much talented coming out of our little country and most cause our previous top players have just retired like Selänne, Koivu, Jokinen, Timonen, Numminen etc. that if these youngster wouldn't come just now, we would be very big in distress.

I just would love if Toronto would pick Laine, cause i like Laine and i am Toronto fan, but just now Toronto need most player like Matthews and i hope we pick him. Also it's like new coming to our history snipers when Jets pick Laine and next winter there is a game where play old Oilers and Jets players and there is same time Kurri and Selänne playing against and then Laine will play NHL game there (i think it's same weekend happening), that will be so fun to watch and there will be lot of passion, hope and memories (maybe tears too) in same time to our whole little hockey crazy country.
 
Brock Radunske said:
Man this kid is going to get destroyed on HFBOARDS if he doesn't score 30 out of the gate...
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I'm assuming the 30 was a typo?

OV score 52 as a rookie on a horrible horrible roster. If Laine, who many have told me is better than OV as a prospect, doesn't score similar, it's a disappointment
 
Caitlyn Jenner said:
I'm assuming the 30 was a typo?

OV score 52 as a rookie on a horrible horrible roster. If Laine, who many have told me is better than OV as a prospect, doesn't score similar, it's a disappointment
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Even though I don't disagree that Laine will have a worse rookie season than OV, it is worth pointing out that Ovechkin was 20 while Laine is 18 and that scoring was higher back then. The only one who scored 50 this year was ovechkin. Back then, there were 7 100 point scorers and 5 50 goal scorers.

I hope people don't go too hard on Laine. It will take time for him to adjust.
 
Once Ovie starts regressing, who's going to be the best goalscorer in the league? Patrik Laine, that's who.
 
tacogeoff said:
yes but posters are showing how good Laine's draft year stats were compared to Ovi's stats. So why not look at Ovi's rookie year? is it a double standard? clearly if Laine can make Ovi look like a scrub in his draft year, he should be able to explode upon the NHL scene.........No?

I have tempered expectations of Laine but I am extremely happy that the Jets have a chance to draft him.
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Well, Laine will be 18 in his rookie season while Ovechkin was 20... So even if you expect them to be similarly good at 20, I don't think it's fair to expect 50 goals for Laine for his 18-year-old season. And it was somewhere between 46 and 47 goals era-adjusted, not 50+.
 
Caitlyn Jenner said:
I'm assuming the 30 was a typo?

OV score 52 as a rookie on a horrible horrible roster. If Laine, who many have told me is better than OV as a prospect, doesn't score similar, it's a disappointment
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You've probably had 2 -3 telling you that he's better than Ovy.

You have to understand that Finland is a crazy hockey country, 1/3 of the country watched the Worlds games, you should expect few overhyping comments, those are annoying as hell but you can't expect not to see them at all.
99% of the Finns have different thoughts, but don't let few make a whole country, I've seen that so often here and that too is annoying as hell.

Laine will be one of the youngest players in the league next year, if he scores 20 I'd be very happy with that.
 
BB88 said:
You've probably had 2 -3 telling you that he's better than Ovy.

You have to understand that Finland is a crazy hockey country, 1/3 of the country watched the Worlds games, you should expect few overhyping comments, those are annoying as hell but you can't expect not to see them at all.
99% of the Finns have different thoughts, but don't let few make a whole country, I've seen that so often here and that too is annoying as hell.

Laine will be one of the youngest players in the league next year, if he scores 20 I'd be very happy with that.
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One of? Who will be younger? Dubois will be NHL ready? Well, I guess Puljujärvi, huh.
 
JohnnyGoodDro said:
Well Ovechkin stepped into the league at 19 years old and scored 50+ goals. I would be surprised if Laine hits 20 as a rookie. That should tell ya something. I think people are in for a huge disappointment if they expect him to be close to Ovie.
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Ovechkin was 20 when he started in the NHL. Why the hell people here think so linearly and all the time in only black and white? Hasn't life already taught you guys that life is not only about back and white?

Laine has had a much better season than Ovechkin when he was having his U18 season. I see Laine at the moment as even more promising than Ovechkin was at the same age. But for sure this does not mean that Laine should then immediately as 20 year old be on the level of Ovechkin's goal scoring. Most probably he will not be able to do it. Especially when scoring is anyway much more difficult than it was when Ovechkin started in the NHL. And anyway, players develop and progress differently.

I agree on it, that Ovechkin was physically already a more developed player when he was Laine's age. This means that Laine will probably need 2 or 3 years to get on the same level physically. I definitely don't see it as impossible. But he will need to work hard and be lucky with injuries. But with his skills Laine is that much already of top level, that I do believe that if he can develop well physically, he might really reach his goal, or at least be one of the best players in the world, if not THE best player in the world.
 
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ijuka said:
Well, Laine will be 18 in his rookie season while Ovechkin was 20... So even if you expect them to be similarly good at 20, I don't think it's fair to expect 50 goals for Laine for his 18-year-old season. And it was somewhere between 46 and 47 goals era-adjusted, not 50+.
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so. they both played against men in their pre draft and both would/will be adjusting to the NHL system in their first season. Age is a factor but the hype of him being better then ovi pre draft would lead one to assume that touting this line, he is expected to be better then ovi in his first season as well.

that is the narrative I am getting from reading the hype.

Regardless.......it would be fantastic if he put up 40 his first rookie season!!! He is going to look great in a Jets jersey.
 
Caitlyn Jenner said:
I'm assuming the 30 was a typo?

OV score 52 as a rookie on a horrible horrible roster. If Laine, who many have told me is better than OV as a prospect, doesn't score similar, it's a disappointment
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There's an age difference between Laines rookie and Ovechkin. In terms that you may know Ovechkin would have a been called Caitlyn where Laine would be still be called Bruce when all is said and done after rookie seasons.
 
This kid has more 'he's so great, he can't do no wrong' groupies than Jonathan Taylor Thomas did in the 90's.
 
Have never seen a protect hyped up as much as Laine. We've got people in this thread saying that he's the best protect since Crosby, yet he's the consensus #2 pick, not #1!!! Lol seriously I get that these Finnish fans are excited but you're now just embarrassing yourselves and setting him up for failure.
 
WillTheThrill said:
Have never seen a protect hyped up as much as Laine. We've got people in this thread saying that he's the best protect since Crosby, yet he's the consensus #2 pick, not #1!!! Lol seriously I get that these Finnish fans are excited but you're now just embarrassing yourselves and setting him up for failure.
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People? Is it more than one person who said since Crosby?
 
Ippenator said:
Sorry Stephen, but you are paractically wrong in every single claim you make here. Sad to see so little understanding of the fact that hockey exists in very good form also somewhere else than in North America and Russia. You seem to be one of these very deluted people that believe that the power ranking from the 80's still applies. Then it could have been maybe claimed rightfully so that only North America and Russia have the really top class leagues in the world. The thing that guys like you don't understand is that Swedish, Finnish and even Swiss leagues started catching up with the NHL and the Russian league already in the 80's. There is still of course a quality difference in general. But it is nowadays much smaller than it was in the 80's.

Jokerit was just a mediocre team in the middle of the FEL rankings during it's few last seasons in FEL. They didn't improve their roster very much when they went two years ago to KHL, but still right away they became one of the top teams in the whole KHL. This is tells very clearly that the difference between FEL and KHL is really not that big at all. In fact I believe that SHL is a bit better than FEL in quality, so that league is practically at the same level with KHL.

Just honestly I can see where you are coming from, and I think that with not understanding how the hockey power rankings have changed and are still continuing to change, people like you will be constantly shocked, amazed and surpised by European international teams and the European individual players. Sorry but your thinking is not from present days, dude.
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The best Finnish players go abroad. What's left in the Liiga is either underage prospects, developing prospects or career European league players. Finland is an amazing hockey power, but you best talent is in North America and your domestic league is not representative of that.
 
WillTheThrill said:
Have never seen a protect hyped up as much as Laine. We've got people in this thread saying that he's the best protect since Crosby, yet he's the consensus #2 pick, not #1!!! Lol seriously I get that these Finnish fans are excited but you're now just embarrassing yourselves and setting him up for failure.
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I think the guy who said that he's the best since Crosby wasn't even a Finn tho.

Like I said earlier, Winnipeg can expect big things from him. With that confidence the work ethic has to follow and if he plans to hit 50goals some day you can expect good work ethic. Winnipeg has no reason to bash him, they should like his confidence because he thrives for success. I don't set my expectations nearly that high as some do. I'd be happy if he hits somewhere around 25g+ in his rookie season. I'm just waiting for the explosiveness to his skating and then I start to put my expectations a little bit higher. Ofc anything can happen tho.

He will be a monster in a couple years. Watch out. He will be burning defenders with his speed in the future.
 
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WillTheThrill said:
Have never seen a protect hyped up as much as Laine. We've got people in this thread saying that he's the best protect since Crosby, yet he's the consensus #2 pick, not #1!!! Lol seriously I get that these Finnish fans are excited but you're now just embarrassing yourselves and setting him up for failure.
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If you want to go there this can be turned around and say same to you.

It's just ...ng fantastic how 1-3 posters makes the whole damm country.
 
If the hockey world actually detected a superior player in Laine in comparison to Ovechkin, there's no way there would even be a debate about Laine's place as the first overall pick.

As great as Matthews is and as good as he is from a positional point of view, a superior Ovechkin would likely override his status as the first overall prospect. He went ahead of Malkin for crying out loud.
 
Alexandrov said:
Once Ovie starts regressing, who's going to be the best goalscorer in the league? Patrik Laine, that's who.
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Lol another example of the crazy overhyping that's going on. You act like its a forgone conclusion he'll be the best goal scorer. Ever heard of jack eichel? Connor McDavid? Who knows, it may even be Nolan Patrick!
 
WillTheThrill said:
Lol another example of the crazy overhyping that's going on. You act like its a forgone conclusion he'll be the best goal scorer. Ever heard of jack eichel? Connor McDavid? Who knows, it may even be Nolan Patrick!
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Eichel maybe. I don't think Connor has that good of a shot. He is probably more of a playmaker.
 
I think people who think if he doesnt score 50 on rookie season he is a disappointment aren't bright on that thought. Has any one even ever done that just after their draft age? Not Ovechkin himself, neither.

When Laine says he thinks he has possbility to be the best one day, all the haters here trying to put dumb expectations on him, and then call it on Laine fans if he doesnt reach it. It is your expectations ,that is what you expect him to do, remember that. It is sing of your own valuation.
 

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