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LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, Liiga (2016, 2nd, WPG) XII

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Pfft, everyone know Laine's height is

6 feet 4+0.8*sin(t) inches (t=time of the day in hours). Get your facts straight
 
Leo Trollmarov said:
-1 and 0 shots today. Expected a lot more. Only the first game, so I expect it to pick up, but that was a disappointment.
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1st game in NHL rink and against top2 team in the World, alright then.
Jokinen was the worst player on that line, Laine made few smart plays/passes.

Bit difficult to blame the teams issues on Laine, but I'm sure many will.
 
The Murse said:
He's already an all-time great, eh? :laugh:
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Laine's been great at pretty much every level he has played at this far. Not exactly sure what your trying to prove here? 18 year old and a HOF'er with birth rights? He is one of the all time greats compared to other players of his age historically speaking and some extraordinary prospect for sure. We can continue this topic after fifteen to twenty years maybe.
 
BB88 said:
1st game in NHL rink and against top2 team in the World, alright then.
Jokinen was the worst player on that line, Laine made few smart plays/passes.

Bit difficult to blame the teams issues on Laine, but I'm sure many will.
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Oh I'm not blaming team issues on him. Just expected more from him as an individual. The -1 is what it is, I'm more disappointed that he wasn't able to get a single shot on net.
 
Leo Trollmarov said:
Oh I'm not blaming team issues on him. Just expected more from him as an individual. The -1 is what it is, I'm more disappointed that he wasn't able to get a single shot on net.
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The team issue is big reason why he was struggling like the whole team.
The defense is weak, they can't start the play like they should be able to which leads to weak offensive plays.
Sweden is a top2 team and they need speed and surprise factor, in which Laine would be more deadly.

That -1 was due to rubbish goal so that's hard to blame on Laine.

I was disappointed that they didn't try to feed one timers for Laine, Vatanen tried to take the shooter role more.

But still 1st game of the season, 1st game in NHL rink, against better team than any NHL team can offer, he was fine and wasn't the problem.
 
Leo Trollmarov said:
Oh I'm not blaming team issues on him. Just expected more from him as an individual. The -1 is what it is, I'm more disappointed that he wasn't able to get a single shot on net.
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Yea, he played decently as far as playmaking and backchecking goes but 0 shots is pretty unacceptable. You know somethin's off when Filppula shoots more
 
BB88 said:
The team issue is big reason why he was struggling like the whole team.
The defense is weak, they can't start the play like they should be able to which leads to weak offensive plays.
Sweden is a top2 team and they need speed and surprise factor, in which Laine would be more deadly.

That -1 was due to rubbish goal so that's hard to blame on Laine.

I was disappointed that they didn't try to feed one timers for Laine, Vatanen tried to take the shooter role more.

But still 1st game of the season, 1st game in NHL rink, against better team than any NHL team can offer, he was fine and wasn't the problem.
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That's the problem with generating most of your offence from 1 timers. Its dependant on so many factors. We know he can effect the game in many situations he needs to get back to that.

I've also noticed he's still trying to beat guys 1 on 1 when that's not really his strength. Lead to a few turnovers. The toe drag of his isn't going to beat NHL quality defenders 9/10 times. He'll eventually get comfortable and stop trying to do too much.
 
TIGERCOOL said:
That's the problem with generating most of your offence from 1 timers. Its dependant on so many factors. We know he can effect the game in many situations he needs to get back to that.

I've also noticed he's still trying to beat guys 1 on 1 when that's not really his strength. Lead to a few turnovers. The toe drag of his isn't going to beat NHL quality defenders 9/10 times. He'll eventually get comfortable and stop trying to do too much.
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He's testing his limits and trying to figure out the timing, he's going to be a beast and a driver in his prime.

It took even for McDavid some games to get his game going, Eichel to late December, and in this tourney the competition will be much higher quality than on 1st half of regular season.
 
teravaineSAROS said:
Yea, he played decently as far as playmaking and backchecking goes but 0 shots is pretty unacceptable. You know somethin's off when Filppula shoots more
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He did have a high quality scoring chance, that hit the leg of Barkov, though.

A couple nice hits and passes. One of the better players on Team Finland today.
 
If Laine played like that (decent) against a star stricken Sweden in a small rink, just imagine how well he will do against the NHL teams...

He obviously was not the star player of our team, but considering the WC is a best-on-best tournament, you can hardly expect a 18 year kid to be that.
 
goblin3 said:
He did have a high quality scoring chance, that hit the leg of Barkov, though.

A couple nice hits and passes. One of the better players on Team Finland today.
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Good to hear Laine was one of the better players on the the team. Without making this a Team Finland thread, who else stood out?

Laine may or may not need a Barkov NA adjustment period. Noting would surprise me about this kid and what he may achieve next year. But if he needs time to adjust as other Finnish players have coming to the NHL. I will give him this. And expect him to be lights out in 2nd year and beyond.
 
goblin3 said:
He did have a high quality scoring chance, that hit the leg of Barkov, though.

A couple nice hits and passes. One of the better players on Team Finland today.
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Never heard of a blocked shot being considered a "high quality scoring chance" but whatever.

I watched the whole game. Laine was OK today. Not good, not bad. However, the kid is 18 years old and coming off an injury (IIRC). He'll be fine but I wouldn't bet on him lighting up this tournament like the WHC or WJC. Much tougher competition and smaller ice will likely be a stumbling block in the next couple of weeks especially if today was any indication.
 
As a Jets fan, I am more than fine if 18 year old Laine only looks "OK" against the best players in the world.
 
Huffer said:
As a Jets fan, I am more than fine if 18 year old Laine only looks "OK" against the best players in the world.
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Exactly. The best defense in the world arguably. There will not be an NHL team that can line up a better D group than what Sweden did today. It's likely the best in the tournament, and only Canada can come close.

Laine hated his own game, he thinks he could not have played any worse (which of course is good, he expects much more of himself and will adjust). But out there he was not an issue.
 
Huffer said:
As a Jets fan, I am more than fine if 18 year old Laine only looks "OK" against the best players in the world.
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Message received. A 18 year old that was just playing in the WJC only 9 months ago to looking just 'ok' in a preseason game against the best players in the world coming back off an injury. I am glad someone mentioned this.
 
Huffer said:
As a Jets fan, I am more than fine if 18 year old Laine only looks "OK" against the best players in the world.
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Yea, it really wasn't meant as slight against him. Just my personal observations.

And I'm basing that on most of the individual plays/moves that he attempted being shut down quickly by Sweden. He also had 6+ mins of ice time on the power play which was nearly half of his total ice time and didn't really create anything.

Again, the kid will be fine. One game doesn't mean ****.

Side note--for a tournament that everyone says is dumb and supposedly meaningless, FIN-SWE were quite chippy and energized today in a pre-tournament game. I know they have an inherent rivalry, but it was still surprising and maybe a good omen for what kind of hockey we'll see from this World Cup.
 
teravaineSAROS said:
No it doesn't, I'm 6'1 I have an uncle at 5'11 whose shoulders are higher than mine
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There are exceptions but I think it's a pretty good rule of thumb to go by when no available data exists (which is not the case here as we have the official combine measurements).

Take the pic I posted for instance. If we go by the level at which their foreheads are lined up to one another the picture suggests Matthews is an inch or so shorter than Dubois yet their shoulders are around the same level (and that Dubois is almost the same height as Laine while Laine's shoulders are clearly a level above). But if you look at the picture more carefully you see Matthews and Laine clearly had their heads tilted forward while Dubois had his chin up skewing the perspective and illustrating a false image of their actual height from that angle.
 
I was at work so only saw a few minutes of the 1st period on a TV at the local MTS store. From what I saw of him on the Finland power play he made 2 excellent passes from his point position rather than shooting when he wasn't in a good place to take the shot. He also made a quick pass over the blue-line to one of his line mates and then drove hard to the net. No issues with the plays I saw him make at all. He looks pretty fast and definitely has good hands. I'm sure he's going to be just fine in the NHL with the Jets.
 
The Winter Soldier said:
You forgot it's likely the camera angle. Which would favour Scheifele this time. Regardless of how many pics you may or may not want to discuss or dismiss. Laine is the tallest. We are discussing his height since it was reported he was 6'5 earlier today. I am neither confirming or refuting this mind you. But it would not surprise me if he is 6'4 and continues to grow. This is all. In the Laine thread some of us are truly interested. If you are not you do not have to reply if this topic is 'dumb' as you stated.
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What is to be interested in? His height is officially measured at 6 3. 75. That is it. You can look at any angle you want. He was 6 3.75 in June 2016 and had been reported to be almost 6 5. For months prior to the measurement. People are posting pics days after these officially published measurements and debating based on angles.

I am continually shocked by how much laine fans are willing to discount facts to promote this agenda. That's what interests me.

Also. One exhibition game means nothing. Just like at whc

I don't care if he is 6 3 or 6 5. I am 6 7 and it hasn't helped me play hockey. I care that people continually pollute threads with biased conjecture and ignore facts
 
My personal Patrik Laine puck action statistics:

Guidelines: 70% ok, 80% good, 90% Barkov tier

Period 1:
Good received pass, Good dangle, Bad shot
Good received pass, Good pass
Good received pass, Good dangle, Good pass
Good received pass, Good pass
Good loose puck, Good pass
Bad pass
Good loose puck, Good loose puck
Good received pass, Good pass
Bad loose puck
Good receive pass, Good pass
Good receive pass, Good pass
Good receive pass, Good dangle, Good pass

Loose puck: 3 Good, 1 Bad
Shot: 1 Bad
Pass: 8 Good, 1 Bad
Receive pass: 8 Good
Dangle: 3 Good

Total: 22 Good, 3 Bad - 88%

Without PP:

Good received pass, Good dangle, Bad shot
Good received pass, Good pass
Good loose puck, Good pass
Bad pass
Good loose puck, Good loose puck

8 good, 2 bad. 80%

I'll add the rest of the periods as I get them done.
 
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