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LW Patrik Laine - Tappara, FEL (2016 Draft)

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Gaps said:
Holy hyperbole Batman. Nobody's asking him to be a sheep, but respect his teammates and coach and not be a locker room cancer. That's not a sheep but a decent teammate. When your biggest asset is good team play, you can't afford rotten apples on the team unless they truly make it worth your while. Laine has yet to prove anything on a high level.
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I agree, we have never won anything because we have the most talented bunch, when we win it's always because everybody is giving 100% for the team, we can't have 1 guy doing whatever he wants because he thinks he is better than everybody else. I don't mind him being selfish and a bit arrogant when he is on the ice but don't take a piss on your teammates and coaches.
 
Yea selfish high scoring ******** are more or less praised in NHL etc like few examples Vanek/Kovalchuk/Heatley(in his prime) and so forth so Laine wont have problems there. But problem is that Finnish national team doesnt want players like that. Its one unit where all do 100%. Even Kurri in Nagano 98 made tackles, Selänne 2004 world cup tackling list goes on takes full effort and sacrifice from every player and no room for selfishness.

Examples Jussi Jokinen best finnish forward by production didnt fit 2010 because there was no room for his style player.
Aravirta didnt choose Kai Nurminen back in 2001 or something because felt team didnt need selfish scorer the list goes on and on. bottomline problems not in NHL but Finland national team possible for Laine if he keeps this path.
 
Erikfromfin said:
Yea selfish high scoring ******** are more or less praised in NHL etc like few examples Vanek/Kovalchuk/Heatley(in his prime) and so forth so Laine wont have problems there. But problem is that Finnish national team doesnt want players like that. Its one unit where all do 100%. Even Kurri in Nagano 98 made tackles, Selänne 2004 world cup tackling list goes on takes full effort and sacrifice from every player and no room for selfishness.

Examples Jussi Jokinen best finnish forward by production didnt fit 2010 because there was no room for his style player.
Aravirta didnt choose Kai Nurminen back in 2001 or something because felt team didnt need selfish scorer the list goes on and on. bottomline problems not in NHL but Finland national team possible for Laine if he keeps this path.
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While I agree for the most part, I think there were other (personal) reasons behind some of these picks. For example with Nurminen, who was the best SM league player at the time there were rumours he didn't get along with the coach eventhough he was a no-brainer. If Aravirta was still the head coach I wouldn't be too suprised if he got a few old timers to return from retirement and put on the skates. Some of the picks have been questionable anyway during the past years and coaches like to take "their guys" instead of the BPA. JJ for example has presented Finland after 2010 tournament. This year's roster was propably one of the most senseless of the recent decade.

Think I heard that Tappara is planning to have a full investigation on the matter. I hope they take corresponding disciplinary measures. It is only good that this came out now rather than later. The sooner you locate the source of the problem, the faster you find a fix for it. Definately not giving up on 16yo kid. Some people just mature up on later age. If we're having this discussiong a year on from today, then there's a real consern. Just no point jumping the gun right now.
 
He should go to NA this year. Maybe there he could mould his attitude a bit.
 
Rob Paxon said:
More importantly though, you are equating people saying players shouldn't flip off their coach and cuss him out with people demanding they be "stereotypic Finnish sheep", which is absurd. That behavior is not gonna fly at any level, but especially not coming from kids on national teams. It's one thing if a veteran professional player has a heated exchange with his coach, as they're both men. No program is going to let a 16 year old act like this while representing the national team. The prospect of such a highly-touted and exciting player perhaps not representing the team in the near future because of this is tough to swallow, but arguing that they should just look past it is just not realistic. He's going to have to humble himself before the people running Finland's national program, admit his mistakes, and show that it isn't going to happen again, or they're going to leave him off the team, even if it hurts them on the ice. USA would do the same thing, no question. So would Canada, Sweden, etc.
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Posted that one surely wrong time in the middle of these news about the latest incident. Wasn't referring to this disrespecting of the coach at all with the ''sheep'' comment, which was bit too provocative obviously. This incident will follow him for a while and I'm sure he will asked about it a lot for example when he's interviewed by NHL teams before the Draft.

That post was more about his attitude in general. For some reason I tend to like younger players with selfish and cocky attitude, as long as it doesn't affect their development.
 
Opado said:
He should go to NA this year. Maybe there he could mould his attitude a bit.
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He'd be in jail in a week in NA from what I've heard and I don't think the people I've heard from are exaggarating very much.
 
Gotta feel for Finland though. Probably the best F-prospect since Selänne and he turns out to be a nut-case.
 
Tuomaz said:
True but i think Puljujarvi is the better prospect.
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Even before I had heard of Laine I had gotten the impression Puljujärvi was the complete package of size, speed, skill and scoring ability. Now having seen clips of both of them, that impression hasn't changed. There's not that big of a difference in size, but Puljujärvi has the clear advantage in skating speed, two way play and above all he's not a dbag.
 
trick9 said:
Year or two ago maybe but Laine definitely surpassed him since.
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No. Puljujärvi has all you want in a prospect: Size, shot, hands, skating, scoring ability and most importantly great attitude. Laine is more flashier with better hands and shot but has serious holes in his game, while Puljujärvi is pretty much a compete package. I'd say they are pretty equal now. Laine has better potential but his bust risk his also higher.
 
If Laine can get past the attitude issues I'm fairly sure he goes before Puljujärvi. Right now Puljujärvi is more complete player but the raw skill level with Laine is just skyhigh. There are ~2 more years for him to grow up and he'll be put amongst the men. No one is going to put up with immature kid so he there's nothing else he can do but to adjust and mature.

Puljujärvi is a dream prospect though. He's got it all you could expect from a winger and wouldn't be suprised if he ended up somewhere in top5 in the draft. Laine can just be a tad better and he's a natural gamebreaker. Wouldn't mind being wrong either way, as there's no winners or losers from personal perspective.
 
He also got one primary assist and played in the third line apparently. Seems like a good path to drive the kid in to the Liga by giving chance to play adult games. Hopefully he gets the call early season instead of the 2nd half.
 
fr9dd9 said:
Have he only played one game in mestis team?
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2. Didn't score on the other game, I think.

Tappara's and Leki's regular season starts tomorrow, so that should give more info about where he is going to play this year. Could also end up in A-Juniors at the start of the season to work on his skating and fitness level..
 
JJTT said:
2. Didn't score on the other game, I think.

Tappara's and Leki's regular season starts tomorrow, so that should give more info about where he is going to play this year. Could also end up in A-Juniors at the start of the season to work on his skating and fitness level..
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Yes okey, ohyeah.. I think he should start with the juniors, work hard and get into shape. Then hopefully play some games for tappara.
 
4 games in Leki (2pre-season, 2 mestis) and 0+1. What I´ve understood from Twitter and Leki´s coach Juujärvi is that Laine was veeery disinterested in the first 3 games, floated around etc, the stuff that he is very much known of. Yesterday he was again held off the scoresheet but had 7 shots and ONLY one giveaway and was the third star. Juujärvi mentioned that in the previous game it was the other way around:)
 
FinProspects said:
4 games in Leki (2pre-season, 2 mestis) and 0+1. What I´ve understood from Twitter and Leki´s coach Juujärvi is that Laine was veeery disinterested in the first 3 games, floated around etc, the stuff that he is very much known of. Yesterday he was again held off the scoresheet but had 7 shots and ONLY one giveaway and was the third star. Juujärvi mentioned that in the previous game it was the other way around:)
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Sounds like Armia. I'm a bit worried.
 
TheFinnishTrap said:
Sounds like Armia. I'm a bit worried.
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Only that Laine is better in every area of the game. Laine is still 1 year ahead of development of Armia. Laine did same things at 15 what Armia did at 16.

He wasn't even supposed to be playing yet, he recovered better than expected from the surgery. If he still isn't producing in January, then it's time to worry but for now, I wouldn't put too much stock on these games.
 

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