LW Patrik Laine (2016, 2nd, WPG) XVI

[Purity*]

Yes.

And so does the NHL scoring chart.

And it takes 16 games to decide that?

You totally don't come off as a rampant homer at all.

You willing to make this a bet or no?

 

[Do or Die]

Guy will be still 18 at the end of this season. Not physically mature yet. Playing in a different country on smaller ice.

Scoring goals every kind of way.....

Unreal.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Great. Now... 30-40 more these and we ALL can be happy!

Threads gonna jam, tho.

 

[Plural]

Time and evolution of the game. What happened to Mike Bossy? He was the best goal scorer of his time. Then people like Selanne, Bure, Ovechkin etc set new heights.

You honestly think Selanne and Bure were better goal-scorers than Bossy?

 

[NarcoPolo]

And our "told you so" is already reality. We told you so. Maybe you'll have a moment at some point too, who knows.

So hang on to that hope because future possibilities are what you are banking on. Past and present is all Laine.

It's like someone betting on a stock that has been second best for years, claiming that it one day will be the better investment than the one that has been outproducing for a couple of years. Yeah, it's possible. No, it's not likely.

Laine has literally been outproducing Matthews for 6 games now, despite Laine playing two extra games up to this point. Some of you guys are just as obnoxious as the leaf fans you complain about

I've only seen 4 games from Laine this year. Once against the leafs where he was quiet for most of the game and then had a monsterous 3rd period, and then his last 3 games. Tiny sample size, I know, but outside of the leafs game, I'm struggling to understand the insane amount of hype and tire pumping here. Maybe I caught him at the end of a tough schedule but at least I made the effort to watch the kid play rather then spewing random garbage that some try to do in this thread. Either way he still looks like a fantastic young player and its pretty insane that these two players, at this age, are able to produce and make an impact like they have.

 

[Narow]

FWIW to reasonable jets fans - Laine looks like a superstar in the making and you guys should be super pumped. You guys were the real winners of the 2016 draft because you weren't expecting to draft in the top 3 and snagged a guy who was deserving of a #1 selection in most drafts and hasn't disappointed

Its the contingent of your fanbase that wants to use 17 games of results to declare him the hands down best prospect in that draft, while ignoring that Laine's results have been influenced by the things beyond his control breaking his way and that Matthews has had the opposite effect that we take issue with. And those that want to declare him the best goal scorer in the NHL already

I agree that it is way to early to really say anything about the best goal scorer ever seen and such but i can understand why people are so optimistic from what we have seen so far. And Laines performance does not take away anything from matthews... Without Laine in the league i wonder how the talk would go by now. One thing is for sure tho in these short few weeks Laine has exceeded every expectation in style and i hope he continues with what he is doing. I have faith in him. Lots of it.

 

[4thline]

So that´s why you´re here. Well nothing is boring about Laine so maybe you´ve come to the right place after all.

"likely to" is a very good argument indeed

Likely to is a statement based on several statistical arguments that are very strong indeed, pretty much commonly accepted by everyone and based in logic and reason. You choose to meet them with emoticons and evasion. Smart money is on Laine not maintaining in his current fashion. As intractable as he is Psycho recognizes this and knowingly betting on the Unicorn. That's one thing. Your childish evasions and mud slinging contribute nothing, it's annoying.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Yeah I have numbers and you offer opinions (rankings) as a counter?

I'll take the numbers, thank you very much. Opinions are like *******s, everyone has one. But numbers only show one guy at the top, and it's a different one than the one from opinions.

Don't ever use "popularity" or "hype before draft" as an argument when talking to me. I have absolutely zero interest in people like Button saying that Matthews is the best goal scorer of the draft or other absurdities caused by ignorance. He was flat out wrong, and so were most of the NA experts and most of them will correct their views and outright say it during this season. Are you going to accept their opinions when they have revised them and the will tell you Laine was the best player in this draft? Because that IS coming, you know that right? I bet you if you asked Button today, he'd already tell you.

Do you want to look at numbers, or just the ones that support your narrative? Shooting %, xGF/60, CF%, FF% favour Matthews - (actual numbers from this season)

Not using popularity, the rankings I sent are from reputable sources, based on scouting. Feel free to ignore them if you want, seems like you're doing a good job of ignoring anything but the things you want to so far


Funny that you have no interest in what Button has to so, but you try to speak for him....you could let him speak for himself - he had Matthews ranked #1

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Hey. Dramatic and fundamental difference is that those goals are actually scored already, not on a paper but on the ice. They are not anymore projections, they are reality.

 

[Randy Randerson]

I agree that it is way to early to really say anything about the best goal scorer ever seen and such but i can understand why people are so optimistic from what we have seen so far. And Laines performance does not take away anything from matthews... Without Laine in the league i wonder how the talk would go by now. One thing is for sure tho in these short few weeks Laine has exceeded every expectation in style and i hope he continues with what he is doing. I have faith in him. Lots of it.

Absolutely, Laine is incredibly exciting to watch. Having them both in the game is good for all of us as fans

I fully expect Laine's career highlight reel to be much more exciting to watch than Matthews as well, he's very flashy

 

[4thline]

It's more like choosing a stock with a big potential (gold startup fits) over one with a very well rounded balance sheet (big bank, maybe?), getting a good dividend in the first quarter (ooh, only 20% of the way through the season, so close) and wanting to declare your stock the best pick to hold indefinitely while ignoring the underlying performance metrics

Bang on.

 

[Do or Die]

FWIW to reasonable jets fans - Laine looks like a superstar in the making and you guys should be super pumped. You guys were the real winners of the 2016 draft because you weren't expecting to draft in the top 3 and snagged a guy who was deserving of a #1 selection in most drafts and hasn't disappointed

Its the contingent of your fanbase that wants to use 17 games of results to declare him the hands down best prospect in that draft, while ignoring that Laine's results have been influenced by the things beyond his control breaking his way and that Matthews has had the opposite effect that we take issue with. And those that want to declare him the best goal scorer in the NHL already

Frankly this Laine-Matthews thing has been pretty tedious from the get-go.

From some Leaf fans before the season, up to the 4 goal game, asserting that Laine was a one trick pony, who couldn't tie Matthews skate laces.......to some Jet fans who have Laine as already surpassing generational goal scorers, 15 games into his career - the overkill and hyperbole about these guys has been something else.

Both teams got what they wanted and needed. Leafs have the top fight C that they have waited for years. Jets got the elite finisher, they have waited for since the Flash.

You would think both fan bases could just not worry and be real happy.

ps and fyi, the LSE line has only played together for 3 games.

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Frankly this Laine-Matthews thing has been pretty tedious from the get-go.

From some Leaf fans before the season, up to the 4 goal game, asserting that Laine was a one trick pony, who couldn't tie Matthews skate laces.......to some Jet fans who have Laine as already surpassing generational goal scorers, 15 games into his career - the overkill and hyperbole about these guys has been something else.

Both teams got what they wanted and needed. Leafs have the top fight C that they have waited for years. Jets got the elite finisher, they have waited for since the Flash.

You would think both fan bases could just not worry and be real happy.

ps and fyi, the LSE line has only played together for 3 games.

There should be icon for this comment in the advanced reply page.

 

[Lempo]

So, yeah, Laine's scoring:

Oct 13 CAR Laine (Enstrom, Connor)
Oct 19 TOR Laine 1 (Byfuglien, Scheifele)
-------------Laine 2 (Ehlers)
-------------Laine 3 (Byfuglien)
Oct 27 DAL Laine 1 (Byfuglien, Scheifele)
-------------Laine 2 (Wheeler, Perreault)
Nov 4 DET Laine (Ehlers, Scheifele)
Nov 6 NYR Laine (Chiator, Scheifele)
Nov 8 DAL Laine 1 (Chiarot, Postma)
------------Laine 2 (Wheeler, Scheifele)
------------Laine 3 (Scheifele, Ehlers)
Nov 15 CHI Laine (Byfuglien, Ehlers)

Oct 13 CAR: Perreault (Wheeler, Laine)
Oct 25 DAL Scheifele (Lowry, Laine)
Nov 4 DET Scheifele (Laine, Ehlers)
Nov 8 DAL Scheifele (Petan, Laine)
Nov 10 ARI Ehlers (Laine)


Scheif is like okay there, but he isn't downright shooting the goals through Laine's stick.

"Oct + 19" hilariously sums up to 29, btw.

 

[Narow]

Absolutely, Laine is incredibly exciting to watch. Having them both in the game is good for all of us as fans

I fully expect Laine's career highlight reel to be much more exciting to watch than Matthews as well, he's very flashy

I dont want to compare them is such an subjective way but from what i have seen of Matthews he can be quite flashy himself, i will be sitting as a old man on my 4d Uphone in 2033 showing those highlight reels to the grankids telling them what a ride its been

 

[PhilJets]

Wow very nice
Great job

1. Hurricanes

2. Maple Leafs

3. Maple Leafs

4. Maple Leafs

5. Stars

6. Stars

7. Red Wings

8. Rangers

9. Stars

10. Stars

11. Stars

12. Blackhawks

SO 1. Kings

 

[Randy Randerson]

Frankly this Laine-Matthews thing has been pretty tedious from the get-go.

From some Leaf fans before the season, up to the 4 goal game, asserting that Laine was a one trick pony, who couldn't tie Matthews skate laces.......to some Jet fans who have Laine as already surpassing generational goal scorers, 15 games into his career - the overkill and hyperbole about these guys has been something else.

Both teams got what they wanted and needed. Leafs have the top fight C that they have waited for years. Jets got the elite finisher, they have waited for since the Flash.

You would think both fan bases could just not worry and be real happy.

ps and fyi, the LSE line has only played together for 3 games.

I can get on board with that, the league is better with more talent in it and Laine is fun to watch

I saw that on the LSE line, who was he playing with before? waiting for behindthenet to update this seasons stats so I can find linemate data

 

[psycho_dad*]

Its the contingent of your fanbase that wants to use 17 games of results to declare him the hands down best prospect in that draft, while ignoring that Laine's results have been influenced by the things beyond his control breaking his way and that Matthews has had the opposite effect that we take issue with. And those that want to declare him the best goal scorer in the NHL already

How long do you think we need to wait before it's allowed to speak what we see?

You have to understand, there is hockey outside of the NHL. These players HAVE played in comparable tournaments before and Laine has always (except world cup) outproduced Matthews. We don't have just 18 games, we have 2-3 years...for those who have been watching, and those who can read statistics.

He is leading the league in goal scoring, at 18 years old. How much more information do you really require? At that age the greatest goal scorer of all time (according to many), Ovechkin, scored under 20 goals in the 5th best league in the world, in a full season. Today Ovechkin is not matching Laine in goals and he is now 31 and the long reigning best goal scorer in the league.

Are you going to admit it if Laine leads the league in scoring after 30 games? 50? A full season? Is it "still too early to tell" then?

He really is statistically and in every other way the best hockey prospect ever to come out of Europe, including Ovechkin. Why is it so hard to accept that without injuries etc, he will keep it up and set new limits? Yeah, it doesn't happen often, that's why they call it generational. When it happens, you need to be able to recognize it.

 

[Do or Die]

I can get on board with that, the league is better with more talent in it and Laine is fun to watch

I saw that on the LSE line, who was he playing with before? waiting for behindthenet to update this seasons stats so I can find linemate data

He was playing with a whole bunch of folks....the Little injury and and a host of others....had Maurice line juggling like crazy, trying to fit in all the young guys....

 

[Purity*]

How long do you think we need to wait before it's allowed to speak what we see?

You have to understand, there is hockey outside of the NHL. These players HAVE played in comparable tournaments before and Laine has always (except world cup) outproduced Matthews. We don't have just 18 games, we have 2-3 years...for those who have been watching, and those who can read statistics.

He is leading the league in goal scoring, at 18 years old. How much more information do you really require? At that age the greatest goal scorer of all time (according to many), Ovechkin, scored under 20 goals in the 5th best league in the world. Today Ovechkin is not matching Laine in goals and he is now 31 and the long reigning best goal scorer in the league.

Are you going to admit it if Laine leads the league in scoring after 30 games? 50? A full season? Is it "still too early to tell" then?

He really is statistically and in every other way the best hockey prospect ever to come out of Europe, including Ovechkin. Why is it so hard to accept that without injuries etc, he will keep it up and set new limits? Yeah, it doesn't happen often, that's why they call it generational. When it happens, you need to be able to recognize it.

If he leads the league 50-60 games in I'll start getting on board. Or am I just some jealous hater for not believing after 17 games?

How does that sound?

 

[Randy Randerson]

How long do you think we need to wait before it's allowed to speak what we see?

You have to understand, there is hockey outside of the NHL. These players HAVE played in comparable tournaments before and Laine has always (except world cup) outproduced Matthews. We don't have just 18 games, we have 2-3 years...for those who have been watching, and those who can read statistics.

He is leading the league in goal scoring, at 18 years old. How much more information do you really require? At that age the greatest goal scorer of all time (according to many), Ovechkin, scored under 20 goals in the 5th best league in the world. Today Ovechkin is not matching Laine in goals and he is now 31 and the long reigning best goal scorer in the league.

Are you going to admit it if Laine leads the league in scoring after 30 games? 50? A full season? Is it "still too early to tell" then?

He really is statistically and in every other way the best hockey prospect ever to come out of Europe, including Ovechkin. Why is it so hard to accept that without injuries etc, he will keep it up and set new limits? Yeah, it doesn't happen often, that's why they call it generational. When it happens, you need to be able to recognize it.

Thanks hammering my point home man, this might be the most hyperbole-loaded post I've ever seen on HF, and just riddled with fabricated facts that are so easy to disprove.

It's great that you're excited, but this post I think is going to haunt you

 

[Do or Die]

People busy taking numbers.....

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Thanks hammering my point home man, this might be the most hyperbole-loaded post I've ever seen on HF, and just riddled with fabricated facts that are so easy to disprove.

It's great that you're excited, but this post I think is going to haunt you

Psycho_Dad is our Hyper-Projectionist. This far he has been least wrong of us all in his projections.

 

[Randy Randerson]

He was playing with a whole bunch of folks....the Little injury and and a host of others....had Maurice line juggling like crazy, trying to fit in all the young guys....

Good problem to have, we're seeing that writing on the wall in leafland too with trying to fit in all the youth

I could see the Jets being for real even this season with Laine and Ehlers making big contributions on what was already a team that shouldn't have been in the bottom 10 imo

 

[Do or Die]

Truthfully, Laine is doing exactly what I though he would do....

A year or two ahead of schedule...