LW Patrik Laine (2016, 2nd, WPG) XVI

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If he leads the league 50-60 games in I'll start getting on board. Or am I just some jealous hater for not believing after 17 games?

How does that sound?


Yes, you seem to be. Has anyone of you Toronto fans actually watched most of the Jets games, so you would actually know what you´re talking about?
 
Well I think I'm gonna do a post search and get out the popcorn

Good idea, i might go to the Toronto boards, to see what you and others wrote before and 1 game in to the season. Maybe i should start a debate there? Down-play Matthews and talk about how good Laine is, would you like that? Or would you get... annoyed?
 
Good problem to have, we're seeing that writing on the wall in leafland too with trying to fit in all the youth

I could see the Jets being for real even this season with Laine and Ehlers making big contributions on what was already a team that shouldn't have been in the bottom 10 imo

Maurice has a plethora of decisions to make, soon. Little, Armia, Perreault, Matthias and Myers coming back from injury - and guys like Lowry, Petan, Dano, and Copp playing so well.

Whatever happens, get Laine back with Ehlers and Chief. That line can be deadly.
 
If he leads the league 50-60 games in I'll start getting on board. Or am I just some jealous hater for not believing after 17 games?

How does that sound?

Sounds fair to me, I don't have a problem with that all. And no I don't think you're a hater or irrational in any way, it's just that you have a smaller sample size than I do.

I'm assuming I'm a little ahead in watching games played by Laine (watched maybe 60 or so last year), so I understand that other people need time to get to the same point. Can't expect them to know or to have seen what I have, so I can't expect them to be as convinced either. That would be foolish and unfair.
 
Maurice has a plethora of decisions to make, soon. Little, Armia, Perreault, Matthias and Myers coming back from injury - and guys like Lowry, Petan, Dano, and Copp playing so well.

Whatever happens, get Laine back with Ehlers and Chief. That line can be deadly.

that line is scary to think about, not sure how any team would hope to contain it, especially with your D corps being very good offensively

Those are good problems to have, but it sucks watching a prospect wither on the vine knowing he could be good if he got a shot too
 
I like that post with all his goal gifs, very nice summary of his goals. I don't get all the talk about Matthews in a Laine thread, there's no reason to try and demean one player to elevate another, both are good players. Just keep this on topic, I see this thread as being a Laine update thread for those around the league who don't watch Jet games. It shouldn't be a pissing contest between fan bases (TOR vs WPG), especially when 28 other teams would kill to have either player on their roster.
 
Don't pretend like you weren't thinking "GOAT!" after Matthews 4 goal game :laugh:

Also I don't know how anyone can claim Laine is lucky in any of his 12 goals this season when they compare it to that 4 goal night. The puck luck that night was insane for Matthews. Give him credit but every bounce went his way that night. Contrast that to the goals Laine has scored and there is no comparison which are more are likely products to skill rather than plain simple luck.
 
It shouldn't be a pissing contest between fan bases (TOR vs WPG), especially when 28 other teams would kill to have either player on their roster.

Yeah but think how bad all the others would feel if we pooled up, instead.

"Ooh, but you got Matthews!"
"Uuh, but you got Laine with Scheifs!"
"Ahh, but you got Marner and Nylander to put up with Auston soon!"
"Ooh!"
"Uuh!"
 
Now it's clear my goal prediction for him (27) is literally going more and more south as the season progresses.

Scheif and Laine benefit from each other, period. Scheif has value in some Laine's goals that didn't came off from Scheifele's pass. Lets not pretend otherwise. On the other hand, Laine scores goals from places and situations that most do not, so it goes both ways. Lets just enjoy watching them, not argue whether who benefits from who etc.

I don't think digging up scoresheets is the right way in this case, Scheif certainly does a lot of good things on the ice that don't end up in his point totals.
 
Sounds fair to me, I don't have a problem with that all. And no I don't think you're a hater or irrational in any way, it's just that you have a smaller sample size than I do.

I'm assuming I'm a little ahead in watching games played by Laine (watched maybe 60 or so last year), so I understand that other people need time to get to the same point. Can't expect them to know or to have seen what I have, so I can't expect them to be as convinced either. That would be foolish and unfair.

However, one can expect people not to pretend they are sure, and claim stuff that is not true when they haven´t even watched the player enough.

I also assume you´re more than a "little" ahead too.
 
Yeah but think how bad all the others would feel if we pooled up, instead.

"Ooh, but you got Matthews!"
"Uuh, but you got Laine with Scheifs!"
"Ahh, but you got Marner and Nylander to put up with Auston soon!"
"Ooh!"
"Uuh!"
Im hoping for marner-matthews-nylander vs Esl in the next rematch! Would be mad.
 
I like that post with all his goal gifs, very nice summary of his goals. I don't get all the talk about Matthews in a Laine thread, there's no reason to try and demean one player to elevate another, both are good players. Just keep this on topic, I see this thread as being a Laine update thread for those around the league who don't watch Jet games. It shouldn't be a pissing contest between fan bases (TOR vs WPG), especially when 28 other teams would kill to have either player on their roster.

I think the discussion of Laine's pace underlying numbers and it's sustainability is a fair topic for discussion in a Laine thread. It's a legitimate point that his three main responses-

Genuine belief that he will transcend the upper echelon of performance in the game
Acceptance of statistical likelihood, but counter that his shot rate will likely rise (I'm in this camp, just not sure where the pendulum will settle, likely higher than I thought going into the season)
Childish ignorance, mudslinging, crying for this thread to be a safe space with any negativity banished
 
Now it's clear my goal prediction for him (27) is literally going more and more south as the season progresses.

Scheif and Laine benefit from each other, period. Scheif has value in some Laine's goals that didn't came off from Scheifele's pass. Lets not pretend otherwise. On the other hand, Laine scores goals from places and situations that most do not, so it goes both ways. Lets just enjoy watching them, not argue whether who benefits from who etc.

I don't think digging up scoresheets is the right way in this case, Scheif certainly does a lot of good things on the ice that don't end up in his point totals.

Oh, definitely. I had fun time cross-referencing the score-listing to the goal gifs, and though the goals show a lot of personal talent by Laine, Scheif has a lot to do with the fact that the play is going on there in dangerous places in front of the other guys' goal.
 
Laine has consistency issues and his honeymoon in the NHL seems to be over as Goalies and D-men are better prepared for Laine.

He'll end the season at a 0.5 point pace or so and that is high end production for a rookie, but likely not enough for Calder this year. Just IMO of course. Could be wrong as I often have regarding Laine.

Ok, not trying to pick a thread fight here

But what is the definition of consistency?

I guess in basketball it is easier to track with
Points, rebound, assist per game

How does consistency gets define in the nhl?
 
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