LW Kyle Connor (2015, 17th, WPG) II

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I'd be happy if he could get 30 a year

Hi Peggy, I like to make predictions that error on the cautious side. I could see him being a perennial 30 goal scorer, I am pretty confident from what I see in his skill set. He has the speed, shot, and nose for the net to do so. He also has a knack for being where the puck is to materialize for goals. I think you are going to be a happy fan with Connor.
 
Hi Peggy, I like to make predictions that error on the cautious side. I could see him being a perennial 30 goal scorer, I am pretty confident from what I see in his skill set. He has the speed, shot, and nose for the net to do so. He also has a knack for being where the puck is to materialize for goals. I think you are going to be a happy fan with Connor.

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WTF is Kyle Connor doing?! This is insane, if he keeps this up he'll be challenging Laine next year :laugh:

Watch what you say! If that doesn't happen we'll have a bunch of people in here whining that he was overrated!
 
Really happy that Connor is catching fire. This is an incredible little hot streak he is on. Also, I don't get the problem with the whole Marner/Connor comparisons. It made sense to compare them last season as they both were lighting up their respective leagues. As of right now, Marner is the better player, no doubt. But I think it's rather foolish to decide right now that Marner will always be better and that he will have better career. Could it happen? Definitely. Is it possible that Connor will have the better career when it's all said and done? Definitely. It is WAY too early to call.
 
I'm pretty sure that's an apt take on it. The skills and IQ were always there, but the jump from both NCAA to pro hockey, and from Berenson's non-system to Jets/Moose... poorly functioning system took more time than I and many others thought. Combine that with the fact that Connor is far away from optimal playing weight, and the jump proved too much to overcome. I'm still excited about him as a prospect, but there is no doubt that he wasn't ready for the NHL this season.

Yep. don't know as much about the Moose organization and their coaching staff but what I can gather from Jets fans is that it's a mess.

YOU'D expect that, which is probably why you're so dissapointed

As if me, Chicago Blackhawks fan would put expectations on a prospect that wasn't of my favorite team and then also be disappointed by these expectations. LOL. Come on man. I didn't make the expectations.
 
As if me, Chicago Blackhawks fan would put expectations on a prospect that wasn't of my favorite team and then also be disappointed by these expectations. LOL. Come on man. I didn't make the expectations.

Ok, then whose expectations are you referring to?
 
Named AHL Player of the week. Well deserved!

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http://theahl.com/connor-named-ccmahl-player-of-the-week
 
Ok, then whose expectations are you referring to?
I'd assume posts like this.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=115364083&postcount=725

But, most Jets fan (this poster wasn't even a Jets fan judging by posting history) while ecstatic with Connor's big 10 production last year rarely went to that extreme. Quite a few argued he was better than Werenski (and he was arguably more important for Michigan). What Connor is doing in the AHL considering his team is quite impressive right now. It will be interesting to see how the Jets piece him in. It seemed prior to the Jets moving up in the lotto he was penciled in for a top 6 role.
 
I see him as a regular 30 goal top 6 winger in the NHL, with the potential to score 40 in his best seasons. This will make him a very valuable asset in the league as goal scorers are hard to find.

His stats in the AHL at his age compare to Max Pacioretty's. I think that's what you are looking at. A valuable top sixer, probably 1st liner, but not All Star level most seasons. Nothing wrong with that!

And I think this whole thread is just about SOME wpg fans talking about he was the best college player since Paul Kariya and how he was going to be a PPG player and yada yada and there being some very reasonable push back on that.
 
I'd assume posts like this.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=115364083&postcount=725

But, most Jets fan (this poster wasn't even a Jets fan judging by posting history) while ecstatic with Connor's big 10 production last year rarely went to that extreme. Quite a few argued he was better than Werenski (and he was arguably more important for Michigan). What Connor is doing in the AHL considering his team is quite impressive right now. It will be interesting to see how the Jets piece him in. It seemed prior to the Jets moving up in the lotto he was penciled in for a top 6 role.

Agreed. Basically Laine took his spot draft lottery day.

I don't think it's unfair for someone who watched him play saying his circumstances cause his numbers to overrated him. His numbers pretty much indicated he was a 2nd line NHLer from day one (or better) which obviously wasn't the case.

Looks like he's still well on track to be a top six player. Jets have Perreault to insulate if Connor joins the line up next year.
 
Agreed. Basically Laine took his spot draft lottery day.

I don't think it's unfair for someone who watched him play saying his circumstances cause his numbers to overrated him. His numbers pretty much indicated he was a 2nd line NHLer from day one (or better) which obviously wasn't the case.

Looks like he's still well on track to be a top six player. Jets have Perreault to insulate if Connor joins the line up next year.

Agreed-I've always hoped that he will turn into a productive 2nd liner.
 
I'd assume posts like this.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=115364083&postcount=725

But, most Jets fan (this poster wasn't even a Jets fan judging by posting history) while ecstatic with Connor's big 10 production last year rarely went to that extreme. Quite a few argued he was better than Werenski (and he was arguably more important for Michigan). What Connor is doing in the AHL considering his team is quite impressive right now. It will be interesting to see how the Jets piece him in. It seemed prior to the Jets moving up in the lotto he was penciled in for a top 6 role.

To use the example you quoted, the poster says quite clearly Connor is below McDavid and Eichel. He said he would take Connor over Marner, which is something a person could have reasonably said before this NHL season started. Everyone and their grandma now knows how good Marner is, very few people got to see Marner play a lot before this year.
 
What Connor is doing on the Moose is very impressive, that is a team which struggles mightily to score goals and he is basically putting them on his back.
 
If Connor turns into a 30 goal a year winger, that's great value for his draft position. I would say 99% of HF posters (me included), had no idea at the level of creativity Marner had, and didn't expect him to adapt so quickly to the NHL, he is a treat to watch. At this point I don't expect Connor to be that type of player, but a 30 goal per year player would be a great fit on the second line in Wpg
I have high hopes for Roslovic, as a more talented Copp, third line mainstay in his first couple of NHL seasons.....
 
His stats in the AHL at his age compare to Max Pacioretty's. I think that's what you are looking at. A valuable top sixer, probably 1st liner, but not All Star level most seasons. Nothing wrong with that!

And I think this whole thread is just about SOME wpg fans talking about he was the best college player since Paul Kariya and how he was going to be a PPG player and yada yada and there being some very reasonable push back on that.

Another comparable would be William Nylander who had 14 goals and 18 assists, 32 points in 37 games after being drafted. He already had pro experience in Sweden.

Kyle Connor in his first pro season after a very slow start already has 18 goals and 13 assists, 31 points in 38 games without the benefit of pro experience.

I think the numbers and the context bode well for him, I think he has figured it out in a new system away from Berenson's U of M system. Lots of comparable players have gone on to do very well from these teams.

I sided on caution when I said he would be a perennial 30 goal scorer in the NHL. He has too much game to not atleast be all around this his NHL career.
 
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Another comparable would be William Nylander who had 14 goals and 18 assists, 32 points in 37 games after being drafted. He already had pro experience in Sweden.

Kyle Connor in his first pro season after a very slow start already has 18 goals and 13 assists, 31 points in 38 games without the benefit of pro experience.

I think the numbers and the context bode well for him, I think he has figured it out in a new system away from Berenson's U of M system. Lots of comparable players have gone on to do very well from these teams.

I sided on caution when I said he would be a perennial 30 goal scorer in the NHL. He has too much game to not atleast be all around this his NHL career.
He's also 18 months older in his first season. Surprised that would be lost on someone who constantly talks about 8 months as being a year in certain cases. In this case, Nylander and Connor are both 1996 birthdays. So you've chosen an extremely simplistic way to compare Connor's AHL number's favorably to Nylander's.

Granted, the odds of Kyle Connor putting up Gretzky-like NHL numbers are higher than the chances of you ever comparing Marner or Nylander in a favorable light to anyone.

If you want to talk about Leafs prospects, his numbers age and professional experience are much closer to that of Connor Brown than Nylander. Who in his draft+3 (a draft ahead of Connor) but 20 year old season (same season by the age using IIHF standards) had a .8 ppg, and as you like to point out, no prior professional experience.
 
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He's also 18 months older in his first season. Surprised that would be lost on someone who constantly talks about 8 months as being a year in certain cases. In this case, Nylander and Connor are both 1996 birthdays. So you've chosen an extremely simplistic way to compare Connor's AHL number's favorably to Nylander's.
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Developmentally the same age. In fact they played Major Bantam at the same age in the same league in Nylander's last year before heading to Sweden. From that point one challenged the curve, one rode comfortably behind it.
 
He's also 18 months older in his first season. Surprised that would be lost on someone who constantly talks about 8 months as being a year in certain cases. In this case, Nylander and Connor are both 1996 birthdays. So you've chosen an extremely simplistic way to compare Connor's AHL number's favorably to Nylander's.

Granted, the odds of Kyle Connor putting up Gretzky-like NHL numbers are higher than the chances of you ever comparing Marner or Nylander in a favorable light to anyone.

If you want to talk about Leafs prospects, his numbers age and professional experience are much closer to that of Connor Brown than Nylander. Who in his draft+3 (a draft ahead of Connor) but 20 year old season (same season by the age using IIHF standards) had a .8 ppg, and as you like to point out, no prior professional experience.

Given your history of posting in Jets prospects threads and downplaying their ability where I remember the time you compared Laine to Aramia statistically once. I would hope you would be less transparent here in your attempts to compare Kyle Connor to Connor Brown. http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=128878043&postcount=747

Nevertheless, the point I was comparing both to was Connor's and Nylander's stats from their first AHL season. They are very similar, if not better for Connor since he has 18 goals to Nylander's 14 with similar games played. But points wise they are very similar, but a fraction better for Nylander.

Further, though it is true Nylander was younger when he entered the AHL than Connor was, I do think it evens out when you consider their paths to the pros. You have a habit of posting that development is linear for all players, failing to realize not all conditions are the same. Here is the condition you do not realize that makes up the age difference.

Most reasonable people will agree Nylander was much more AHL ready than Connor was, given he had already played against Men in the Swedish hockey league, his draft year, and the beginning of his sophomore year, whereas Connor played Tier I Junior A hockey against similar aged teenagers his draft year, and then after being drafted College hockey last year.

IF we are comparing just these 2 players and not to pivot into making general statements in other separate cases. Which you are hinting at here with Matthews and Laine. Where both played against pros in their draft year, however Laine was 17 doing it, Matthews was 18. It is quite a difference, and given this I see a Connor/Nylander comparison fine if we take age and pro experience into account.

Instead of simplistic linear the apples to apples comparisons you are attempting here.
 
A better comparison is to Nylander's last AHL season. Age difference would be only 5 months.

Connor had a bit of a slow start, but lately he's been gold. It's undeniable that Nylander played on a much stronger team than what Connor's playing in, and Connor has scored goals at a higher rate after he got past the initial hurdle. At least a part of the assist differential can be attributed to the difference in team strength.


To me, it's more that things just needed to "click" for Connor when it came to the differences between college and pro play and that took a bit more time than expected. But his tools and skills are still there just as they always were.
 

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