Rantanen plays almost exclusively Mackinnon or Duchene. Nylander hasn't had a significant advantage linemate wise. It is just Colorado has no depth and stacks there top 2 which is why they are a terrible team, combined with no defensive depth.
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He's also doing it playing on a line with guys like JC Lipon and Patrice Cormier who haven't done much. Carrying that line
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Your the one who took issue with the initial thought. If you can't follow the conversation than I can't help you. The point was, people pointed to Rantanen's superior point percentage, similar to how someone is trying to claim Connor's AHL season this year is superior to Nylander's last year based on this. I pointed that probably isn't a great way to evaluate them, considering last years example. You took issue, then I explained it, and now your saying its off-topic. Nylander's year in the AHL was much superior to Connor's this year, no matter what argument you want to make about points percentage.Why are we comparing Rantanen and Nylander in a Kyle Connor thread?
I mean, are there any studies that show points percentage relative to the team is actually a better measure of production than actual production? Especially when the players it is being applied to are the players being asked to drive the offence?
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Connor is going to make a lot of haters look absolutely foolish next year.
I'll settle for watching Connor play and being amused at people who claim he's a bust or that he's playing poorly.
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No one is saying he's a bust. I'm saying the people that were comparing him to Eichel and better than Marner are now looking like they have no idea what they are talking about, just like everyone told them back then.
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I think you'll find if you actually read the previous thread that most people were comparing Connor's NCAA season to Eichel's NCAA season, but I'm sure you'd rather just spit mindless hyperbole and write off a 20 year old prospect
The only people that "have no idea what they're talking about" are posters who for some reason refuse to admit that Connor was an elite player at the NCAA level
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False. There were PLENTY of people saying they wanted him over Marner. I just went back and looked. Some people were comparing their seasons, but when you compare seasons you're essentially comparing the player/their impact. Plenty of people saying 45-50 points next season. (This one) I'm not even writing him off or saying he's bad. He'll probably score 30 goals at least a few times once he gets acclimated. Just ridiculously overhyped last season.
He was an elite player in the NCAA last season, playing against regularly terrible competition w/ two NHL prospects with immense talent on his line. It just got blown way out of proportion.
He was an elite player in the NCAA last season, playing against regularly terrible competition w/ two NHL prospects with immense talent on his line. It just got blown way out of proportion.
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Yeah, by a couple people! You're lumping all us Jets fans in with the couple crazies and I wish you'd stop.
There was one guy (ONE GUY!) claiming he'd be a 50 point player and you ****in ran with that for 2 pages. Stop!
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Connor may be earning a call up with his recent play. Today's trade deadline may determine this. If Jets are sellers as opposed to buyers. From a selfish point of view, hope he stays a rookie for next year. Has played 19 games, can play 5 more and stay a rookie.
However, if the Jets move Perrault. They may call up Connor. See what happens after the deadline.
However, if the Jets move Perrault. They may call up Connor. See what happens after the deadline.
5g 6a 11pts in his last 10 games. His AHL production has improved recently compared to the .6 ppg pace he was struggling to maintain for the first 25 or so games. If his defensive game has picked up to the point that he wouldn't be a liability in the top 6 I would love to see him playing on a line with Wheeler, Ehlers, or Laine, with Scheif or Little centering and not get the Petan treatment with guys like Thorburn or Stafford as linemates thus wasting his call up in an unimportant role.
Just like who told them "back then?" You?
KC surprised a lot of people last year, from your know-nothing HF posters to commentators all over the hockey world. It's a prospect thread. Hype -- or enthusiasm -- comes with the territory. It isn't a contest.
In other news, KC has looked good for a while now, dominating offensively and playing a much stronger two-way game. . Good to seem him piling up some points
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Connor and Roslovic will play the rest of the year on the Moose I'm 99% sure. Maurice wouldn't give them minutes, they are far better off playing big minutes in the AHL this year and developing their pro game.
I think after a year of a busy AHL schedule Connor will be more ready for the NHL next year. With his combination of speed+skill+shooting I highly doubt he ends up busting
Actually, it is a very relevant way to look at things. Point production is constrained by team productivity, so it makes sense to adjust, just as you would for era. Rantanen's a funny example, because this year he's on an NHL that is dead last in goals scored, by a long shot. He's ahead of Landeskog and not far behind Duchene and MacKinnon in points/game. In many ways, Rantanen's production is as impressive as Nylander's this season.
When you say "hyped" I suppose you mean that a few posters might have been over enthusiastic, but this is a straw man argument, anyway.
I think I'll head over to see who's hyping whom in the Matthews=McDavid thread.
...And there were geniuses who said Laine would be stuck in the AHL this year. So what? It's a straw man.
Except is there any evidence that it matters more than actual production, which is the claim you are making by stating it is more impressive. If you can post something that states it matters and is indicative of future production I might buy it. But, so much of what a player contributes to his teams offence is dictates by ice-time, how much special teams that player gets, and how those teams distribute ice-time. I don't think Connor's season is even close to Nylander's last year, which is the claim you are making. At the end of the day, total production tends to matter more than how it is distributed.
Rantanen plays with the teams best players. If a team stacks its top 2 lines and has absolute garbage on their bottom 2, along with being PP dependent its pretty obvious they will have a high percentage of that teams points.
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as a whole I would agree but the Big10 was terrible last season. Its hard to know.
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yep. finally getting past that adjustment period to a new league. Winnipeg is very strong on the wings or he'd probably just have spent this year with the Jets to be fair.
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Glad to see the uptick in his game. I haven't been out to watch him live but a few Moose fans I know have mentioned how much he has improved as the season has gone along.
Jets fans are use to the drill though. I remember when Scheifele was mocked endlessly and called a bust when he headed back to Barrie for his draft +2 season. TNSE were a joke of an organization for drafting him 7th overall and it was made worse by Couturier's quick transition to the Flyers. Not even our biggest homers would have predicted at that snap shot in time that Mark would be in the top 10 of scoring in the NHL one season (possibly). Development is an odd and unpredictable beast and there is no doubt it is more releaving and instantly gratifying to have a kid step into the NHL and light it on fire like Laine, Marner, Matthews but prospects like Scheifele and Morrissey have taught me patience as a fan.
I loved watching Connor in Michigan and that was an insane scoring season for a rookie but his line were afforded the luxury of playing a riverboat gambling style and as a group they were so dominant that they could cheat the game allot. I don't think it helped him develope a 200 foot game. Any comparisons with Marner last season were fair game because they both were dominating talents in their respective leagues. It so happens that Marner was ready to step right in to the NHL and make an impact and Connor was not. Marner is a known NHL commodity already and Connor is an unknown NHL commodity. My crystal ball is not polished enough to tell you where Kyle will end up but his speed, IQ, skills, and shot are all high end so I think he will be a productive top 6 NHL asset but time will tell I guess. Marner is having an incredible rookie season and leaf fans should be thrilled. Everyone has their own development arc and I will be interested to see where Connor tops out one day?
Jets fans are use to the drill though. I remember when Scheifele was mocked endlessly and called a bust when he headed back to Barrie for his draft +2 season. TNSE were a joke of an organization for drafting him 7th overall and it was made worse by Couturier's quick transition to the Flyers. Not even our biggest homers would have predicted at that snap shot in time that Mark would be in the top 10 of scoring in the NHL one season (possibly). Development is an odd and unpredictable beast and there is no doubt it is more releaving and instantly gratifying to have a kid step into the NHL and light it on fire like Laine, Marner, Matthews but prospects like Scheifele and Morrissey have taught me patience as a fan.
I loved watching Connor in Michigan and that was an insane scoring season for a rookie but his line were afforded the luxury of playing a riverboat gambling style and as a group they were so dominant that they could cheat the game allot. I don't think it helped him develope a 200 foot game. Any comparisons with Marner last season were fair game because they both were dominating talents in their respective leagues. It so happens that Marner was ready to step right in to the NHL and make an impact and Connor was not. Marner is a known NHL commodity already and Connor is an unknown NHL commodity. My crystal ball is not polished enough to tell you where Kyle will end up but his speed, IQ, skills, and shot are all high end so I think he will be a productive top 6 NHL asset but time will tell I guess. Marner is having an incredible rookie season and leaf fans should be thrilled. Everyone has their own development arc and I will be interested to see where Connor tops out one day?
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Let him play rest of season in AHL... He has caught fire now and just let him keep doing what he is doing. No need to try and rush it.
LOVE this prospect
LOVE this prospect
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I too am hoping he stays with the Moose for the remainder of the season. Their last game is on March 31st. They do not look like they are playoff bound at this point.
If the Jets want to call him up afterward. They will have 4 games left in April. Meaning he will have played 23 games this season. Which will still make him rookie eligible next year.
If the Jets want to call him up afterward. They will have 4 games left in April. Meaning he will have played 23 games this season. Which will still make him rookie eligible next year.
