LW Johnny Gaudreau (2011, 104th overall, Calgary) IV

[DCDM]

Someone said he would score 40-50 points in 9 games?

Damn, beat me to it.

 

[Lunatik]

Someone said he would score 40-50 points in 9 games?

well played

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Considering he's scored once this year, safe to say I've been around a lot.

McDavid is a whole other story considering hes been putting up about 3 points per game and has been fantastic so far this year. Just there to temper the expectations from posters who are clearly too young (like I assume you are) to know how dominating players like Crosby/Tavares were.

So you thik Gaudreau's niche at the NHL level will be his defensive play? He's going to be a defensive specialist now?

So you haven't watched him play? Got it.

Also, who elected you to come into threads about promising prospects with the soul purpose of "tempering expectations"? Lol get off your high horse.

And yes, I am plenty old enough to remember what Crosby did in the Q. I followed his every game for gods sake.

 

[nbwingsfan]

No, I don't know where you are getting at, because you just said that Abdelkader and Helm are able to back check and not produce points and get away with it, whereas Johnny can't. According to you, Johnny has to score, it's apparently his sole purpose to just put up points. If you were expecting Johnny to be our best scoring forward this year, then you best be looking for some other thread to look at, because you shouldn't expect anything more from a rookie.



And your point is? I already stated that. If he's not producing points, guess what he is doing? Defense. Hate to break it to you, but the kid has an excellent 2-way game, not some 1 dimensional one that you seem to think he has.



Yeah, he scored once. Do you not realize that there are 82 games in a season? Did you not know that the "9 game tryout" doesn't apply to him? If we didn't see something great out of Johnny, he wouldn't be up here. There is a reason why he made the team.



No, you're not. You're looking for every possible way to shoot this prospect down because of his size, something that he has overcome his whole life. I already told you that the hype was out of control for him in the offseason, do I need to give you a pat on the back to you and the rest of the JG haters out there that are not seeing the JG Flames' fans hoped he'd turn out to be in his rookie year? The expectations were high, but we soon realized that it'll take time for the kid to adjust. And to add to the outsiders that hate on JG, I'll bet there are quite a bit of prospects who aren't meeting expectations. Every single fan base overrates their prospects and players, there is a reason why the trade thread almost never has an agreeable deal.

But back to you nbwingsfan, keep spewing out your JG nonsense that doesn't attribute anything to this thread.

You're getting awfully defensive, looks like you're just upset that Gaudreau hasn't been producing the points that many of you expected and now feel the need to defend your opinion.

You seem to be under the impression that I think Gaudreau is a bad player, but he isn't. I've stated multiple times that he will be an NHL player, its the just the type of player that I dont agree with. I've seen countless posters say he will be a 1st line player, borderline superstar who they wouldn't trade for almost any player in the leaue.

I know its incredibly early, and for all I know he could go on a 20 game point streak and make me look like an idiot, but I stand by my statement that he will be a Hudler/Grabovski type player (2/3 line tweener, not comparing playing style) rather than the 70+ point star some are projecting. So far I haven't seen much to say otherwise.

 

[Buttonwood]

You're getting awfully defensive, looks like you're just upset that Gaudreau hasn't been producing the points that many of you expected and now feel the need to defend your opinion.

You seem to be under the impression that I think Gaudreau is a bad player, but he isn't. I've stated multiple times that he will be an NHL player, its the just the type of player that I dont agree with. I've seen countless posters say he will be a 1st line centre, borderline superstar who they wouldn't trade for almost any player in the leaue.

I know its incredibly early, and for all I know he could go on a 20 game point streak and make me look like an idiot, but I stand by my statement that he will be a Hudler/Grabovski type player (2/3 line tweener, not comparing playing style) rather than the 70+ point star some are projecting. So far I haven't seen much to say otherwise.

Those fans who didn't know what position he played were probably not the best resources to base your baseless opinion on.

Most fans were more tempered in their expectations, and most of the residual arguments/hype/ink spilled came from whether or not he would get killed on his first shift or not and how his unique game would translate to the NHL, that's all. Being a 2nd line PP specialist with some elite skills was always on the table with 99% of CGY fans. Anything more would be great.

 

[nbwingsfan]

So you haven't watched him play? Got it.

Also, who elected you to come into threads about promising prospects with the soul purpose of "tempering expectations"? Lol get off your high horse.

And yes, I am plenty old enough to remember what Crosby did in the Q. I followed his every game for gods sake.

I think considering I've cited specific moments during games, we both know I've watched the games, you're just trying to use the "you don't watch the games" argument since you don't have much to backup your claim.

I'm also not the only one here who is saying negative things about Gaudreau. Compared to many of the posters calling him a bust, I've actually been rather positive considering I've stated countless times that IMO he will still be an NHL player.

Finally, I have an opinion, and I'm stating it. If you have an issue then skip my posts. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they are wrong, pal.

If you'd look around, I have said many positive things about many prospects. I think their are some great young stars our there (McDavid, Nylander, Kucherov, etc), I just dont think Gaudreau ends up being one of them, and have thought that well before these 9 games hes played.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Those fans who didn't know what position he played were probably not the best resources to base your baseless opinion on.

Most fans were more tempered in their expectations, and most of the residual arguments/hype/ink spilled came from whether or not he would get killed on his first shift or not and how his unique game would translate to the NHL, that's all. Being a 2nd line PP specialist with some elite skills was always on the table with 99% of CGY fans. Anything more would be great.

lol I have a tendency not to re-read my posts when I get into a rant.

And hey, if you think that he's just going to be a 2nd/3rd line pp specialist then I'm with you on that, as that's what I fully expect he will become. Which is fantastic for a 4th rounder and Flames fans should be happy with that (as any team would be).

 

[CraigsList]

You're getting awfully defensive, looks like you're just upset that Gaudreau hasn't been producing the points that many of you expected and now feel the need to defend your opinion.

Defensive? More like correcting your ignorance. I'm not upset, I am actually quite happy with the progress Johnny has been making. Hartley has been sheltering his minutes to get him used to the NHL atmosphere. Johnny will be given more minutes as he progresses as an NHL player. Maybe I am defending my opinion, but you sure as hell ought to know what you are saying when you argue with Flames' fans, some who have followed him ever since he was picked.

You seem to be under the impression that I think Gaudreau is a bad player, but he isn't. I've stated multiple times that he will be an NHL player, its the just the type of player that I dont agree with. I've seen countless posters say he will be a 1st line centre, borderline superstar who they wouldn't trade for almost any player in the league.

Really? I haven't heard one positive thing out of you in regards to JG.

I know its incredibly early, and for all I know he could go on a 20 game point streak and make me look like an idiot, but I stand by my statement that he will be a Hudler/Grabovski type player (2/3 line tweener, not comparing playing style) rather than the 70+ point star some are projecting. So far I haven't seen much to say otherwise.

Again, it's 9 games. Don't put your full on analysis on a 9 game stint. The kid will be playing more. For all we know, maybe he is an Iginla, one who has had a history for starting slow in the season, but got hot towards the end. We just don't know. While I do respect your opinion, I would just like a little more game watching than your stat watching. And if you are in fact game watching, you should probably back yourself up with some evidence that you did in fact watch JG play, because right now, none of us are buying it.

 

[InfinityIggy]

I imagine you are salivating about being proven 'right' regarding an undersized 4th rounder and kudos to you, but mathematically you are jumping to gun. The sample standard deviation and margin of error we are dealing with after 9 games 'projects' Gaudreau can still score 45 points and nothing out of the ordinary will have happened (it will be within the 95% CI). Lucky for you only a few more pointless games and you'll be right!! After 14 games, an HF best!!

You know what other tiny player didn't put up points his first season? Jumbo Joe...wait.

 

[tfong]

Y'all need to take a deep breath.

At the end of the day, flames fans are happy with his progression like how any other fan would be of their own prospect and i think that is the most important stance to take. He certainly isnt a disappointment by any long shot at this point and likely no fanbase can change our opinion on it so please stop, for those of you whom are trying

 

[Buttonwood]

lol I have a tendency not to re-read my posts when I get into a rant.

And hey, if you think that he's just going to be a 2nd/3rd line pp specialist then I'm with you on that, as that's what I fully expect he will become. Which is fantastic for a 4th rounder and Flames fans should be happy with that (as any team would be).

Well to be a 1st liner at his size he would be to be sheltered and produce similar to Patrick Kane, which will be extremely difficult because: 1) Kane is an exceptional, all-world talent 2) CHI has more depth and talent than CGY. So taking that off the table the next few seasons, then we are talking about a 2nd line guy who can make some game-changing plays, put up some points (hopefully somewhat consistently), and give a consistent effort defensively (not required of superstars like Kane ). I don't think anybody should be complaining. It's just tough not to gush as a fan because he sees and thinks the game at a different level, so that can get annoying to non-fans, but it doesn't necessarily translate in to production because this is the NHL (best league in the world) and he is on a bad team. We'll see, he's still an exciting prospect 9 games in, I don't care what the stats say. He does have some all-world ability, on a stronger team in the future, he might be able to flash more.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Defensive? More like correcting your ignorance. I'm not upset, I am actually quite happy with the progress Johnny has been making. Hartley has been sheltering his minutes to get him used to the NHL atmosphere. Johnny will be given more minutes as he progresses as an NHL player. Maybe I am defending my opinion, but you sure as hell ought to know what you are saying when you argue with Flames' fans, some who have followed him ever since he was picked.



Really? I haven't heard one positive thing out of you in regards to JG.



Again, it's 9 games. Don't put your full on analysis on a 9 game stint. The kid will be playing more. For all we know, maybe he is an Iginla, one who has had a history for starting slow in the season, but got hot towards the end. We just don't know. While I do respect your opinion, I would just like a little more game watching than your stat watching. And if you are in fact game watching, you should probably back yourself up with some evidence that you did in fact watch JG play, because right now, none of us are buying it.

If you have been reading my posts since the beginning, you would see that I have had the same opinion of Gaudreau since before he started playing this year, the 9 games haven't done anything to change my opinion for better or for worse. Also, if you read my posts, you would know I've cited exact plays and shifts, so yes, ive watched the games (7 out of 9 so far, missed the 3rd game and the game he had the amazing assist to Wideman)

Calling him a future 40-50 point pp specialist when he was a 4th round pick isn't saying anything good about him?

As a 4th round pick, you should be happy he even got the chance to play a game. I'll say it again, IMO he will be an NHL player, just not to the extent some posters think so.

 

[Bionda]

So much ignorance in this thread . . . amazing the amount of hate that this kid generates. Funny that it only comes after games where he doesn't show up on the scoresheet. Its probably best to, you know, actually the games if you are going to comment about a prospect on a prospect board. You might sound less like a 7 year old.

I really don't know where fellow Canadians get the impression that the NCAA is not physical. It stems largely from pro-CHL bias, IMHO, and is also borne out of unfamiliarity with the DI ranks.

I think Gaudreau is an immensely skilled centre. It couldn't hurt to add to his frame, but lots of kids coming out of Major Junior leagues need to grow too. I don't know what his ceiling will be, but I'm convinced that he has the proper skillset to sustain a good career in the NHL. Really slick, great vision and hands etc..

 

[Deen]

I think Gaudreau is an immensely skilled centre.

Gaudreau plays the wing.

 

[InfinityIggy]

Assist tonight on a standard blue line pass to Gio. Had to fight hard and used great stick work to get into the zone though. Lots of chances before the goal as well.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

He's been the best player on the ice. Some highlight reel plays. Could easily have 3 or 4 points tonight.

 

[LiquidSnake]

You make it so easy to judge a prospect from 9 games.

I've got to give it to your Vancouver team, you're looking like a sure playoff team out there. Too bad you won't get far. Lookin' like the 2010 Flames out there.

The flames are actually the '97 and on Canucks. Complete with firing Keenan.

And he got an assist tonight so clearly there has to be posts in here

 

[LiquidSnake]

You gonna use the 7 game sample spread with Shinkaruk point projections too?

I'm not projecting him to pot giant points actually.

 

[MC Ride]

Gaudreau is quite easily the best player tonight. Holy ****.

 

[Yosemite Sam]

Someone needs to take the time to compile video of all his shifts from this game so the world can see.

 

[herashak]

Second to price tonight

 

[ElectricSky*]

Awesome game from Gaudreau so far.

Probably the best he's looked in any of his games so far.

 

[Snakepit]

Any goalie but Price and johnny would have 3 points tonight

 

[GetThePuckOut]

His confidence is growing by the game. It's just a matter of time before he plays himself on the first powerplay unit.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

If you have been reading my posts since the beginning, you would see that I have had the same opinion of Gaudreau since before he started playing this year, the 9 games haven't done anything to change my opinion for better or for worse. Also, if you read my posts, you would know I've cited exact plays and shifts, so yes, ive watched the games (7 out of 9 so far, missed the 3rd game and the game he had the amazing assist to Wideman)

Calling him a future 40-50 point pp specialist when he was a 4th round pick isn't saying anything good about him?

As a 4th round pick, you should be happy he even got the chance to play a game. I'll say it again, IMO he will be an NHL player, just not to the extent some posters think so.

Power play specialist . . . lol.