LW Johnny Gaudreau (2011, 104th overall, Calgary) IV

[SaintMorose]

Are you actually comparing him to the great one? I'm so sorry for you. He's not even close to being as good as Gretzky, now. He'll never get close.

Maybe it's a style comparison like the one you made 1 post earlier?

he could be the next Wayne Gretzky in the AHL, but that's about it.

 

[HockeyGuy1975]

So much ignorance in this thread . . . amazing the amount of hate that this kid generates. Funny that it only comes after games where he doesn't show up on the scoresheet. Its probably best to, you know, actually the games if you are going to comment about a prospect on a prospect board. You might sound less like a 7 year old.

I suspect many of the posters that consistently crack "jokes" about Flames' fans' hyping Gaudreau or rip on Johnny directly are under the age of 16. Insecurities in teenagers lead to comments like we see in this thread. One day they will outgrow it. Better to look past that childish comments and focus on Gaudreau's play and development.

 

[blendini]

Remarkable to see a kid with his physical stature doing well in the NHL. Especially the WC. Quite inspiring really.

Hope he continues to do well.

 

[Girgensons28]

Flames fans you're the reason he get's hated on so much. You hyped him up as if he's the best prospect in the league, and everyone grew sick of it.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Seems like every game he doesn't end up on the scoresheet.

Again, he looks "pretty" out there, but at some point he's going to have to start producing. 3 points in 9 games is not very good when he's a player who doesn't offer much more.

I saw some fans predict a 60+ point season from him this year, he'd better start scoring soon if this is going to happen.

As for your Gretzky comment.. Gretzky didn't have the body of a 12 year old.

Honestly, why even post in a thread about a player you've obviously never watched? Seems like you disappear when he scores . . . its almost like you check boxscores to evaluate prospects . . . you do the same thing with mcdavid lol.

 

[Haatley]

Flames fans you're the reason he get's hated on so much. You hyped him up as if he's the best prospect in the league, and everyone grew sick of it.

In case you didnt notice, its not just flames fans. Its the media as well. And they are all right. Gaudreau is a top prospect. He is playing good hockey and gettinf better everyday and earning more ice time and PP time.

 

[Random Forest]

Flames fans you're the reason he get's hated on so much. You hyped him up as if he's the best prospect in the league, and everyone grew sick of it.

It's actually precisely the opposite. Flames fans hyped him just the same as any team hypes their top prospects. It was all the "He'll never succeed in the NHL" folks who took it upon themselves to provoke Flames fans to get defensive. These threads are completely fine and civilized until someone decides to come in and take a shot at Flames fans for believing this kid has star potential.

 

[CraigsList]

Seems like every game he doesn't end up on the scoresheet.

Again, he looks "pretty" out there, but at some point he's going to have to start producing. 3 points in 9 games is not very good when he's a player who doesn't offer much more.

I saw some fans predict a 60+ point season from him this year, he'd better start scoring soon if this is going to happen.

As for your Gretzky comment.. Gretzky didn't have the body of a 12 year old.

Get off your high horse. You think you're right about everything in regards to Gaudreau. You claim you watch him, but really, I don't think you do. Perhaps you do watch him, and if that's the case, then you are not making a strong case for yourself. You show up when the kid doesn't produce any points. Do you ever watch what he does outside of putting points on the boards? He's arguably our best back checker and one of the forwards who skates his a** off. Against Carolina, he made a great defensive play where he dived to save a great scoring chance from happening. There are more things Johnny Gaudreau offers rather than scoring, I don't think you are getting that through your head. Your mentality is "Johnny didn't score any points this game? Bust."

If he only scores 30-40 points and plays 75 games, that's a success. It's his freakin' rookie year. Sure, maybe we hyped him in the summer, Calder candidate, 60+, whatever the case may be. But not everyone said that. In fact, the majority of us said that that'd be amazing if he did those kinds of things. Many of us were well aware of the transition from college hockey to the NHL.

In conclusion, you have no idea what you are talking about, and I don't take any of your thoughts of Johnny Gaudreau seriously.

 

[grN1g]

So i finally decided to drop Johnny with my last spot in fantasy, but can Flames fans just kinda clarify whats been seen of him so far? from what i gather its:

-he looks good enough to stay and learn
-not a liability in his own end
-horse on the back check

so basically to me hes using most of his focus and pretty much all his energy on defense which in return probably makes it more difficult for himself to get it done on the offense cause he probably could still use some good conditioning to increase endurance and what not.

would you consider that a decent summary so far? i have not watched a single game.

3pts in 9 games while being good in ur own end almost every shift is a pretty good start imo.

 

[Dack]

Get off your high horse. You think you're right about everything in regards to Gaudreau. You claim you watch him, but really, I don't think you do. Perhaps you do watch him, and if that's the case, then you are not making a strong case for yourself. You show up when the kid doesn't produce any points. Do you ever watch what he does outside of putting points on the boards? He's arguably our best back checker and one of the forwards who skates his a** off. Against Carolina, he made a great defensive play where he dived to save a great scoring chance from happening. There are more things Johnny Gaudreau offers rather than scoring, I don't think you are getting that through your head. Your mentality is "Johnny didn't score any points this game? Bust."

If he only scores 30-40 points and plays 75 games, that's a success. It's his freakin' rookie year. Sure, maybe we hyped him in the summer, Calder candidate, 60+, whatever the case may be. But not everyone said that. In fact, the majority of us said that that'd be amazing if he did those kinds of things. Many of us were well aware of the transition from college hockey to the NHL.

In conclusion, you have no idea what you are talking about, and I don't take any of your thoughts of Johnny Gaudreau seriously.

Standing ovation

 

[Kranix]

Flames fans you're the reason he get's hated on so much. You hyped him up as if he's the best prospect in the league, and everyone grew sick of it.

There is a funny idea that if you scream loudly enough, 'Gaudreau-praise' will stop. Most of his detractors are people still a bit bitter that Nick Bonino wasn't revered outside Anaheim. Don't go away - keep reading. A series of lectures is planned.

 

[LiquidSnake]

3pts in 9 games. Far cry from the projected 40-50pts by some,

 

[CraigsList]

3pts in 9 games. Far cry from the projected 40-50pts by some,

You make it so easy to judge a prospect from 9 games.

I've got to give it to your Vancouver team, you're looking like a sure playoff team out there. Too bad you won't get far. Lookin' like the 2010 Flames out there.

 

[King In The North]

3pts in 9 games. Far cry from the projected 40-50pts by some,

You gonna use the 7 game sample spread with Shinkaruk point projections too?

 

[Bps21*]

Why are the judgments after 9 games less relevant than the offseason reading flames judgments after 1?

 

[Deen]

If he has a two point night he will be on pace for 41 points. I wouldn't blow your hater wads yet.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Honestly, why even post in a thread about a player you've obviously never watched? Seems like you disappear when he scores . . . its almost like you check boxscores to evaluate prospects . . . you do the same thing with mcdavid lol.

Considering he's scored once this year, safe to say I've been around a lot.

McDavid is a whole other story considering hes been putting up about 3 points per game and has been fantastic so far this year. Just there to temper the expectations from posters who are clearly too young (like I assume you are) to know how dominating players like Crosby/Tavares were.

So you thik Gaudreau's niche at the NHL level will be his defensive play? He's going to be a defensive specialist now?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Get off your high horse. You think you're right about everything in regards to Gaudreau. You claim you watch him, but really, I don't think you do. Perhaps you do watch him, and if that's the case, then you are not making a strong case for yourself. You show up when the kid doesn't produce any points. Do you ever watch what he does outside of putting points on the boards? He's arguably our best back checker and one of the forwards who skates his a** off. Against Carolina, he made a great defensive play where he dived to save a great scoring chance from happening. There are more things Johnny Gaudreau offers rather than scoring, I don't think you are getting that through your head. Your mentality is "Johnny didn't score any points this game? Bust."

If he only scores 30-40 points and plays 75 games, that's a success. It's his freakin' rookie year. Sure, maybe we hyped him in the summer, Calder candidate, 60+, whatever the case may be. But not everyone said that. In fact, the majority of us said that that'd be amazing if he did those kinds of things. Many of us were well aware of the transition from college hockey to the NHL.

In conclusion, you have no idea what you are talking about, and I don't take any of your thoughts of Johnny Gaudreau seriously.

Yes it's great that hes working hard and back checking well. It's great he's putting in more effort than most of the players this season. The problem here is that Darren Helm puts in a ton of effort, Justin Abdelkader is probably the Wings best back checker and always busting his balls out there every shift. See where I'm getting at? Players who have to do these things to make up for their lack of production.

He's a rookie who hasn't been producing points, of course hes going to have to put forth more effort into the smaller details like back checking.

And to your other point in which I've already addressed, it seems I "only show up when he doesnt score" because he's only scored once this game.

I've already pointed out that he's played well, but considering the hype he was getting, including some posters saying 60 points isn't out of the quetsion since he's an older rookie, I expected more so far.

 

[Reign Nateo]

You make it so easy to judge a prospect from 9 games.

I've got to give it to your Vancouver team, you're looking like a sure playoff team out there. Too bad you won't get far. Lookin' like the 2010 Flames out there.

Things like this are why these boards always turn into a mess. A little maturity would go a long way around here.

As for Gaudreau, he's doing alright about what I expected, the adjustment is more severe than most anticipated however. Friend of mine got his picture taken with Johnny in the summer, and my friend is 5-6 150 and looked bigger than Gaudreau, so I kind of expected this a bit. He's going to adapt and mature physically, it's just going to take some time. I'm betting by his 3rd season in the NHL he's a productive top 6 winger for the Flames.

 

[InfinityIggy]

3pts in 9 games. Far cry from the projected 40-50pts by some,

Someone said he would score 40-50 points in 9 games?

 

[CraigsList]

Yes it's great that hes working hard and back checking well. It's great he's putting in more effort than most of the players this season. The problem here is that Darren Helm puts in a ton of effort, Justin Abdelkader is probably the Wings best back checker and always busting his balls out there every shift. See where I'm getting at? Players who have to do these things to make up for their lack of production.

No, I don't know where you are getting at, because you just said that Abdelkader and Helm are able to back check and not produce points and get away with it, whereas Johnny can't. According to you, Johnny has to score, it's apparently his sole purpose to just put up points. If you were expecting Johnny to be our best scoring forward this year, then you best be looking for some other thread to look at, because you shouldn't expect anything more from a rookie.

He's a rookie who hasn't been producing points, of course hes going to have to put forth more effort into the smaller details like back checking.

And your point is? I already stated that. If he's not producing points, guess what he is doing? Defense. Hate to break it to you, but the kid has an excellent 2-way game, not some 1 dimensional one that you seem to think he has.

And to your other point in which I've already addressed, it seems I "only show up when he doesnt score" because he's only scored once this game.

Yeah, he scored once. Do you not realize that there are 82 games in a season? Did you not know that the "9 game tryout" doesn't apply to him? If we didn't see something great out of Johnny, he wouldn't be up here. There is a reason why he made the team.

I've already pointed out that he's played well, but considering the hype he was getting, including some posters saying 60 points isn't out of the quetsion since he's an older rookie, I expected more so far.

No, you're not. You're looking for every possible way to shoot this prospect down because of his size, something that he has overcome his whole life. I already told you that the hype was out of control for him in the offseason, do I need to give you a pat on the back to you and the rest of the JG haters out there that are not seeing the JG Flames' fans hoped he'd turn out to be in his rookie year? The expectations were high, but we soon realized that it'll take time for the kid to adjust. And to add to the outsiders that hate on JG, I'll bet there are quite a bit of prospects who aren't meeting expectations. Every single fan base overrates their prospects and players, there is a reason why the trade thread almost never has an agreeable deal.

But back to you nbwingsfan, keep spewing out your JG nonsense that doesn't attribute anything to this thread.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

I'll be the first to admit that Johnny hockey was over hyped and as a Leafs fan I know exactly what that is all about, but all of the posters coming in here to dump on this kid and flame fans 9 games in when by all accounts he's playing a solid 200ft game and is working hard and the flames are also doing well is a joke. Every fan base over rates there young players, so even if Johnny G finishes with 20 points and establishes his two way game at the NHL level it just means he has put together a decent season to build upon. He has played excellent at every level so far and there is no reason to believe that once he has adjusted to the best hockey league in the world that he cant put up 50-60 points with a strong two way game and really what more can you ask from a person drafted in his round.

 

[Beesfan]

I'll be the first to admit that Johnny hockey was over hyped and as a Leafs fan I know exactly what that is all about, but all of the posters coming in here to dump on this kid and flame fans 9 games in when by all accounts he's playing a solid 200ft game and is working hard and the flames are also doing well is a joke. Every fan base over rates there young players, so even if Johnny G finishes with 20 points and establishes his two way game at the NHL level it just means he has put together a decent season to build upon. He has played excellent at every level so far and there is no reason to believe that once he has adjusted to the best hockey league in the world that he cant put up 50-60 points with a strong two way game and really what more can you ask from a person drafted in his round.

I'd take that production with strong two-way play from anyone drafted outside of the top 10.

 

[Buttonwood]

3pts in 9 games. Far cry from the projected 40-50pts by some,

I imagine you are salivating about being proven 'right' regarding an undersized 4th rounder and kudos to you, but mathematically you are jumping to gun. The sample standard deviation and margin of error we are dealing with after 9 games 'projects' Gaudreau can still score 45 points and nothing out of the ordinary will have happened (it will be within the 95% CI). Lucky for you only a few more pointless games and you'll be right!! After 14 games, an HF best!!

 

[tfong]

I'd take that production with strong two-way play from anyone drafted outside of the top 10.

I'll take the fact he made it to the NHL from that draft round as a plus.