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LW Jimmy Vesey (2012, 66th, NSH; 2016 UFA, NYR)
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MatthewFlames
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so...this thread is going to die until August
I guess not.
Vesey nominated for the Hobey Baker today, 2nd year in the top 10, and expected to be in the final 3 as well. 3rd in the nation in goals and points.
Harvard plays St. Lawrence on Friday - the ECAC Championship Semifinal
Pestilence
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So... Season's over, he could burn one year of his ELC and get to play in the playoffs with a good team if he signed to Nashville, or he could go anywhere he wants after the season, right?
Has to wait til August 15, but yes. My gut feeling is we will find out this week what hiis plans are.
The Podium
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I don't think historically many players sign with their team before August 15th at this point. He waited until now, what is the harm in waiting another few months to field offers from 30 teams instead. If he does chose Nashville, I can't see it being before August 15th.
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The general consensus is that he'll sign with the Leafs if he doesn't with Nashville. They drafted his brother and hired his dad.
However, with the youth movement going on in Toronto right now it doesn't seem like a suitable place for any young prospect to go to Toronto imho
I'm not sure if Vesey can play in the playoffs for Nashville but finishing off the remainder of the year with them (and they've said over and over they have a place for him) while burning off a year of his ELC seems like a great scenario.
However, with the youth movement going on in Toronto right now it doesn't seem like a suitable place for any young prospect to go to Toronto imho
I'm not sure if Vesey can play in the playoffs for Nashville but finishing off the remainder of the year with them (and they've said over and over they have a place for him) while burning off a year of his ELC seems like a great scenario.
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Should be eligible for the playoffs as long as he's on the team's reserves list (which he almost certainly is).
No, the general consensus among people who aren't Toronto fans is that Boston is the most likely destination for Vesey after Nashville.
So because there are plenty of young players on the Leafs' roster at the moment, that makes them an undesirable place to play for young players?
Not to get into a pissing match about this but I know that Toronto and Boston are the two teams linked to Vesey if he goes to FA but I don't think the speculation if even half as close when it comes to Boston vs. Toronto. Regardless, fan speculation means nothing and the top hockey reporters have been linking the Leafs for a while now (with Boston being involved). Nashville is always listed as the front runner but at no point has Boston been considered ahead of Toronto (or the other way around to be truthful).
In fact, I believe LeBrun or Friedman had stated that some around the league are already concerned/wondering about potential tampering charges towards the Leafs which would imply that some legwork has already been done and placing them slightly ahead of Boston.
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I believe his situation exactly has only occurred like 4 times so its hard to use whats happened "historically" to suggest anything with him (Justin Schultz, Mike Reilly and Wheeler? are the only ones that come to mind). I believe he still has to sign an ELC so there's no major difference in contract value (only thing is that teams can structure the deal for different signing and performance bonuses). Mainly, he just has the opportunity to sign with another team over Nashville.
Now if he plays in 10 NHL games this year (which does include playoffs from what I saw, not just regular season), he can burn a year off of his ELC (Nashville has 7 regular season games remaining ATM with at least the potential for a minimum of 4 playoff games). So "whats the harm in waiting..." is that he could lose out on being 1 yr closer to a bigger contract instead of having to wait to get to that next contract. Thats one year closer to being a UFA too. So thats the harm, in missing out on bigger contract dollars down the road when he'll have the choice to pick his team as a normal process UFA and it will occur sooner if he signs now with the Preds.
Yes, I did acknowledge that every Toronto fan believes their team is the logical front runner for Vesey outside of Nashville, thanks for supporting my point.
In the meantime Vesey himself has liked tweets telling him to sign with Boston and is in regular communication with Boston's coaching staff. I'm not a Boston fan, by the way; this is my point of view as a neutral as well as most Nashville fans' biggest fear.
Believe what you want, though.
Correct me if I am wrong but burning a year off his ELC only makes him a RFA earlier. It doesn't change the fact that he will only become a UFA at the age of 27. There is no way for him to reach the 7 year service required for him to become UFA.
I simply don't know how much of an advantage burning a year off his ELC really is. At his age any ELC will be 2 years so burning a year will make him RFA next summer. Even if he has a great year next year, he won't be getting a big contract. The team will likely give him a bridge contract with varying length on the number of years. If he has to wait the full two years before becoming RFA then the sample size will be sufficient enough for him to receive a substantial raise.
In either case his RFA years are going to be undervalued. So I am simply not sure how much of an advantage burning a year off his ELC will actually end up being. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't care about becoming RFA a year sooner. I don't think that him not signing this week makes Nashville any less likely his destination. We will see though.
The fact that he's from MA, and chose to stay in school there as well.
Essentially people think he will mirror Dekeysers decision albeit under different circumstances. Staying in/near your home town is a serious appeal.
IMO liking tweets means nothing. Stamkos has liked tweets of him going to Toronto and I always laugh at Leafs fans using it as evidence that he is headed there.
As far as the latter wouldn't that be considered tampering? Where did you hear that? Nashville should definitely look into it if something like that is occurring. He is still Nashville property until August 15. A team looking into signing him should respect that and restrict contact of anyone employed by the team into having contact with him.
Of course Toronto has found a way around that but they should not be speaking of their interest in Jimmy with his father as there is a clear conflict of interest there. I hope he signs in Nashville or another location as I find this Boston (if what you say is true) and Toronto business very unsavoury.
He favourited 1 tweet that I was able to find from one of his friends (not a random follower or a reporter) back in 2015. Are you sure he is in regular communication with the Bruin's coaching staff? That would likely be 2 issues, one with the NCAA and one with the NHL for tampering.
I will believe whatever the NHL insiders and reporters are suggesting.
Where are these "insider" reports linking him to the Leafs that say ANYTHING other than them drafting his brother and hiring his dad?
Hopefully Predators can sign him. But father has links to Toronto Maple Leafs. Some believe he will go to Toronto.
There is appeal but we have seen enough instances where players spurn an offer close to home to go somewhere else. I think Boston has an advantage as a location but location is just one factor among several that Vesey will consider before making his choice.
All talk of consensus is rather silly. There is never a consensus location every time a college player is close to free agency. Each team's fans will argue that they are best positioned due to home town or his connections to personnel on the team. This is all pure speculation until Vesey comes out and makes his intentions clear. Even then as we all know a player's words mean little unless he has signed on the dotted line.
Haven't been around the topics, but could someone give me a rundown on why people don't see him signing with the Habs?
Mainly working with the assumption that Chris Nilan is his godfather & his father's best friend + The Habs have a flagrant need for top6 forwards + Healthy Price puts him in a decent team
Mainly working with the assumption that Chris Nilan is his godfather & his father's best friend + The Habs have a flagrant need for top6 forwards + Healthy Price puts him in a decent team
There are none, but linking him because his Dad was hired by the Leafs and his brother is Leaf property gives them that much more of an edge than anyone outside the Preds and maybe the Bruins.
The biggest speculation is really around the role of his Dad in the organization. Some believed he was being paid as an advance to Jimmy. If he is scouting than the hire is legitimate (all indications that they are and Hunter is linked to Vesey)
You will believe whatever indicates that he is going to Toronto.
People that want him to go to Boston will place more credence on anything indicating he is headed there.
As will Nashville fans.
I am convinced he will place more preference on being part of a winning team and sign with Chicago knowing that there is a spot at LW there that he can fill.
Vasilevskiy
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Hope he signs with Nashville, don't like players that don't sign with the team that drafted them... I could understand if the team was a mess but Nashville is a good place
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...and the liking of Boston related tweets!!!! It's confirmed!!!!...and using that posters criteria, consensus opinion must be that Stamkos is definitely signing in Toronto because he liked a tweet once or a couple times that had said mentioned he should sign in Toronto. Leaf fans are being illogical homers...but our neutral observer uses the same logic as those people when it comes to forming his opinion. Interesting stuff.
