LW Jimmy Vesey (2012, 66th, NSH; 2016 UFA, NYR)

[Gnashville]

Pretty sure they get a comp pick, and it is also a known risk. Anytime you draft an NCAA bound player, you know this is a possibility. This is nowhere close to as bad as the Wheeler situation, where the Coyotes wasted a high pick.

No comp pick unless it is a 1st round pick. Predators get nothing when Vesey goes UFA. That is why they get shafted they invested money in scouting and developing him only to lose him for nothing. Wasted pick and wasted money.

 

[93LEAFS]

No comp pick unless it is a 1st round pick. Predators get nothing when Vesey goes UFA. That is why they get shafted they invested money in scouting and developing him only to lose him for nothing. Wasted pick and wasted money.

But anytime you draft a NCAA guy this is a known risk, not like they got the goalposts shifted on them. He could have stated he intended to graduate in interviews. If they scouted him and didn't know this was a realistic possibility then they made a bad risk assessment.

 

[Gnashville]

But anytime you draft a NCAA guy this is a known risk, not like they got the goalposts shifted on them. He could have stated he intended to graduate in interviews. If they scouted him and didn't know this was a realistic possibility then they made a bad risk assessment.

True, but there was no way to predict his father being hired as a scout with the purpose of having him go UFA.

 

[Paxon]

No comp pick unless it is a 1st round pick. Predators get nothing when Vesey goes UFA. That is why they get shafted they invested money in scouting and developing him only to lose him for nothing. Wasted pick and wasted money.

It happens to every team but not enough so that it is a real issue. The draft is a crapshoot. NCAA players still have their rights held by drafting team more than any other draftees.

 

[kingsfan]

Team B drafts player X at round Y.

Player X plays in the university and doesn't sign to an entry level contract for the team B that drafted him, even though they show desire to do so.

Player X finishes university and signs to a team Z, leaving team B:

A. Shafted
B. ???
C. ???

So every player that is drafted by a team that also shows interested in them should sign no matter what? Yeah, that gives the player a lot of negotiating wiggle room huh?

Player X could be drafted by Team B out of the Europe and do the same thing and go back into the draft -or even be a UFA- within two years. Same for the CHL leagues and any other league that has an agreement with the NHL. The NCAA let's teams keep the players rights for four years, or double what they would in any other league outside of Russia pretty much. Teams get double the time to hold a guys rights and you think they get the shaft? Please.

Team B also runs the exact same risk drafting Player X as all other 29 teams do and we also have no idea what Vesey said in the pre-draft interviews regarding his intention to graduate, he very well could have stated he intends to go the full four years and even potentially test the market. Point is Team B is fully aware of the risks drafting the player. If not, they should look up examples of Blake Wheeler, Jimmy Hayes, Mike Reilly, etc. and stop buying their heads in the sand.

No comp pick unless it is a 1st round pick. Predators get nothing when Vesey goes UFA. That is why they get shafted they invested money in scouting and developing him only to lose him for nothing. Wasted pick and wasted money.

Same for every other player a team drafts and doesn't sign, whether or not they want to. You spend dollars scouting everyone, from the 1st round to the 7th. Keep in mind they have actually spent less money on Vesey than most other -if not all other- prospects since they can't pay for Vesey to attend rookie camps. They can for anyone drafted out of the CHL or Europe.

True, but there was no way to predict his father being hired as a scout with the purpose of having him go UFA.

How about we actually wait to see if he signs there before we assume he's got some calculated plan to go to TO to be with Papa Vesey.

 

[LV*]

When can an NHL team (Leafs) sign him?

 

[X66]

When can an NHL team (Leafs) sign him?

Mid-August I believe.

 

[kingsfan]

August 15

 

[nomorekids]

While I was paranoid and even skeptical for a pretty long time, I am more optimistic that Vesey will sign with Nashville than I was previously, just after hearing recent comments from both himself and David Poile, particularly after Nashville skipped making a move at F at the deadline, justifying it as "we'll have Jimmy Vesey in that spot in a few weeks."

 

[TheFinalWord]

No comp pick unless it is a 1st round pick. Predators get nothing when Vesey goes UFA. That is why they get shafted they invested money in scouting and developing him only to lose him for nothing. Wasted pick and wasted money.

They have to scout every player they could potentially draft, so it isn't really a sound argument to say money was wasted in drafting him. Unless he goes first overall, there is a reasonable expectation that he may not be on the board when Nashville drafted him.

And I don't think they spent any money developing him since he's still in school. This isn't like he played on the farm team, etc.

It sucks for Nashville if he leaves, but unfortunately it is what it is.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

While I was paranoid and even skeptical for a pretty long time, I am more optimistic that Vesey will sign with Nashville than I was previously, just after hearing recent comments from both himself and David Poile, particularly after Nashville skipped making a move at F at the deadline, justifying it as "we'll have Jimmy Vesey in that spot in a few weeks."

Not to be the bear of bad news, but Jarmo Kekalainen said the exact same thing about Mike Reilly after trading James Wisniewski. Poile is most likely just trying to pressure him to sign like Jarmo was.

 

[Pyromaniac]

Not to be the bear of bad news, but Jarmo Kekalainen said the exact same thing about Mike Reilly after trading James Wisniewski. Poile is most likely just trying to pressure him to sign like Jarmo was.

This. Until he signs on the dotted line you should be skeptical what everyone in this situation is saying.

 

[FazeLeaf*]

While I was paranoid and even skeptical for a pretty long time, I am more optimistic that Vesey will sign with Nashville than I was previously, just after hearing recent comments from both himself and David Poile, particularly after Nashville skipped making a move at F at the deadline, justifying it as "we'll have Jimmy Vesey in that spot in a few weeks."

Didnt the Blue Jackets move Wiznewski to open up a spot because they thought that Reilly would replace him? I think Poile is just trying to show Vesey that they want him and are prepared to put him in the lineup. That doenst mean he will sign. Why hasnt anyone brought up the Hawks when talking about Vesey destinations? They need a 1LW in the offseason unless they can get Ladd on a cheape deal. Vesey will be on an ELC and would join a top 3 team right away.

 

[Stats01]

Team B drafts player X at round Y.

Player X plays in the university and doesn't sign to an entry level contract for the team B that drafted him, even though they show desire to do so.

Player X finishes university and signs to a team Z, leaving team B:

A. Shafted
B. ???
C. ???

that's on the team that drafts him. Pretty sure Nashville knew all along he was going this route and knew the risks at hand, it happens every year when you draft a college player, you run the risk of not being able to sign them. Nashville didn't get shafted. I just find it unbelievable that Nashville through all their talks with the kid and probably his family and during scouting trips that this topic didn't get brought up. Vesey played his cards within the rules and Nashville gets a comp pick if he leaves. Not sure why the NHL has to fix the rules.

 

[blindpass]

that's on the team that drafts him. Pretty sure Nashville knew all along he was going this route and knew the risks at hand, it happens every year when you draft a college player, you run the risk of not being able to sign them. Nashville didn't get shafted. I just find it unbelievable that Nashville through all their talks with the kid and probably his family and during scouting trips that this topic didn't get brought up. Vesey played his cards within the rules and Nashville gets a comp pick if he leaves. Not sure why the NHL has to fix the rules.

Except they don't get a comp pick.

 

[PucksInDeep]

Didnt the Blue Jackets move Wiznewski to open up a spot because they thought that Reilly would replace him? I think Poile is just trying to show Vesey that they want him and are prepared to put him in the lineup. That doenst mean he will sign. Why hasnt anyone brought up the Hawks when talking about Vesey destinations? They need a 1LW in the offseason unless they can get Ladd on a cheape deal. Vesey will be on an ELC and would join a top 3 team right away.

I don't think anybody wants to consider the possibility.

Don't bring this evil upon us!!!


Seriously though, I think Vesey signs with Nashville immediately after Harvard's season is over. I get why he might want to consider going to the Leafs, etc. but I feel like the financial advantage of burning an ELC year would greatly sway his decision. As I understand it, he'd have a 2-year ELC regardless of if he signs now or in the summer. By playing with Nashville this season, he'd only have 1 more ELC season before he can get a substantial raise on a longer-term deal (assuming he plays well).

 

[CorgisPer60]

Vesey will probably sign where he can be afforded NHL playing time. I imagine that a contender like the Hawks or Kings would be very appealing, but how will his pro prospects pan out there? I don't see Q just giving 1LW to a guy fresh out of college immediately. Likewise, I don't think he has any real financial gains to be made in choosing the Leafs over the Preds. The ELC will be the same, and no one will give out a massive signing bonus to him - performance bonuses, maybe.

All in all, you won't know what happens until it happens. If Poile feels that he can't sign Vesey prior to the draft, he can trade his rights to another team for a draft pick. They'll then have until Aug 15th or so to sign him, as his rights expire then.

 

[Speed Shooter]

So every player that is drafted by a team that also shows interested in them should sign no matter what? Yeah, that gives the player a lot of negotiating wiggle room huh?

Player X could be drafted by Team B out of the Europe and do the same thing and go back into the draft -or even be a UFA- within two years. Same for the CHL leagues and any other league that has an agreement with the NHL. The NCAA let's teams keep the players rights for four years, or double what they would in any other league outside of Russia pretty much. Teams get double the time to hold a guys rights and you think they get the shaft? Please.

Team B also runs the exact same risk drafting Player X as all other 29 teams do and we also have no idea what Vesey said in the pre-draft interviews regarding his intention to graduate, he very well could have stated he intends to go the full four years and even potentially test the market. Point is Team B is fully aware of the risks drafting the player. If not, they should look up examples of Blake Wheeler, Jimmy Hayes, Mike Reilly, etc. and stop buying their heads in the sand.



Same for every other player a team drafts and doesn't sign, whether or not they want to. You spend dollars scouting everyone, from the 1st round to the 7th. Keep in mind they have actually spent less money on Vesey than most other -if not all other- prospects since they can't pay for Vesey to attend rookie camps. They can for anyone drafted out of the CHL or Europe.



How about we actually wait to see if he signs there before we assume he's got some calculated plan to go to TO to be with Papa Vesey.

I read that Sr. Vesey works out of BOS, the same place where the rest of his family lives, the same place he went to college, the same place he grew up, the same place his friends live, the same place the team he's rooted for since he could tie skates resides.

This is not the vet-heavy 2013 Bruins who were in middle of a self-perceived Cup window that squeezed kids out of lineup. This is a team that is giving real minutes to young talented players unlike ever before under Julien.

Why anyone would not pick BOS as a heavy favorite (sorry TO) if Vesey goes UFA is beyond me. It's so stacked in his favor it's hard to argue otherwise beyond wistful thinking.

 

[Stats01]

I read that Sr. Vesey works out of BOS, the same place where the rest of his family lives, the same place he went to college, the same place he grew up, the same place his friends live, the same place the team he's rooted for since he could tie skates resides.

This is not the vet-heavy 2013 Bruins who were in middle of a self-perceived Cup window that squeezed kids out of lineup. This is a team that is giving real minutes to young talented players unlike ever before under Julien.

Why anyone would not pick BOS as a heavy favorite (sorry TO) if Vesey goes UFA is beyond me. It's so stacked in his favor it's hard to argue otherwise beyond wistful thinking.

2 reasons, #1 family connection, #2 playing opportunity. Vesey could step in right now on this Leafs team and probably have an impact.

 

[CorgisPer60]

2 reasons, #1 family connection, #2 playing opportunity. Vesey could step in right now on this Leafs team and probably have an impact.

So, did you, er, sleep through his post? Let me post it again for your benefit.

I read that Sr. Vesey works out of BOS, the same place where the rest of his family lives, the same place he went to college, the same place he grew up, the same place his friends live, the same place the team he's rooted for since he could tie skates resides.

This is not the vet-heavy 2013 Bruins who were in middle of a self-perceived Cup window that squeezed kids out of lineup. This is a team that is giving real minutes to young talented players unlike ever before under Julien.

Why anyone would not pick BOS as a heavy favorite (sorry TO) if Vesey goes UFA is beyond me. It's so stacked in his favor it's hard to argue otherwise beyond wistful thinking.

 

[AmericanDream]

Didnt the Blue Jackets move Wiznewski to open up a spot because they thought that Reilly would replace him? I think Poile is just trying to show Vesey that they want him and are prepared to put him in the lineup. That doenst mean he will sign. Why hasnt anyone brought up the Hawks when talking about Vesey destinations? They need a 1LW in the offseason unless they can get Ladd on a cheape deal. Vesey will be on an ELC and would join a top 3 team right away.

Vesey to the Hawks has been talked about and has been reported by NHL Network a bit back they are in his top 2-3 choices to sign as they WILL give him a #1 LW spot instantly as we had Shaw there for God's sake. He fits in with exactly what we need, another ELC contract on our top 6..and oh yeah we can offer him a career of playing with Toews and Hossa, and 3 cups soon to be 4 in 7 years.. now top that!

 

[FazeLeaf*]

Vesey to the Hawks has been talked about and has been reported by NHL Network a bit back they are in his top 2-3 choices to sign as they WILL give him a #1 LW spot instantly as we had Shaw there for God's sake. He fits in with exactly what we need, another ELC contract on our top 6..and oh yeah we can offer him a career of playing with Toews and Hossa, and 3 cups soon to be 4 in 7 years.. now top that!

Yeah, I was reading what a bunch of people were saying he is going her and there and I was suprised nobody said Chicago. I wouldn't be suprised at all if thats where he signed.

 

[CorgisPer60]

Well, if they do sign Vesey, it will at least eliminate the chance that Ladd gets re-signed by them.

 

[Mad Brills*]

I think he's overhype a bit. Didn't hayes have better stats?

 

[CorgisPer60]

I think he's overhype a bit. Didn't hayes have better stats?

Every college UFA gets overhyped. It's a silly cycle.