LW Dmitry Buchelnikov - Vityaz, KHL (2022, 52nd, DET)

[Kshahdoo]

He just keeps putting up points. What's a normal point average for a good prospect in the KHL to have their first year? I feel like he is doing pretty well, but not amazing.

He's 2+5 in the last 6 games. He had very low TOI in his first 2 or 3 games. Overall he has 14 points in 24 games on a bad team. I'd say it's very solid stats for a 20 year old rookie.

 

[Petes2424]

The kid is one of the most skilled NHL prospects nobody knows much about. The great part for Detroit is, watch how he cuts inside, gets defenders to bite, makes a move and then creates offense. That tells you he can play in traffic, and create in tight space. This kid could be a special player.

Think he has 2 more years in the KHL, and he’ll be one of the 5-6 kids to watch, when it comes to the speculation Russia may not allow their top prospects to leave.

 

[Atoadaso]

The kid is one of the most skilled NHL prospects nobody knows much about. The great part for Detroit is, watch how he cuts inside, gets defenders to bite, makes a move and then creates offense. That tells you he can play in traffic, and create in tight space. This kid could be a special player.

Think he has 2 more years in the KHL, and he’ll be one of the 5-6 kids to watch, when it comes to the speculation Russia may not allow their top prospects to leave.

Well Detroit does have a history of getting players out of Russia lol

 

[Our Lady Peace]

The kid is one of the most skilled NHL prospects nobody knows much about. The great part for Detroit is, watch how he cuts inside, gets defenders to bite, makes a move and then creates offense. That tells you he can play in traffic, and create in tight space. This kid could be a special player.

Think he has 2 more years in the KHL, and he’ll be one of the 5-6 kids to watch, when it comes to the speculation Russia may not allow their top prospects to leave.

The bolded is a really important nuance about how he has been able to put up numbers thus far. Tight in traffic he's able to get off his quick release and that will get him a lot of goal scoring opportunities. Very fun to watch.

He has been on the top line for the last 11-12 games or so and oozing confidence for a 20 year old in his first full season in the KHL. Probably the best opportunity for his development this year was getting loaned to Admiral.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Also his assist from today's game at 0:40 of the video:

 

[Petes2424]

The bolded is a really important nuance about how he has been able to put up numbers thus far. Tight in traffic he's able to get off his quick release and that will get him a lot of goal scoring opportunities. Very fun to watch.

He has been on the top line for the last 11-12 games or so and oozing confidence for a 20 year old in his first full season in the KHL. Probably the best opportunity for his development this year was getting loaned to Admiral.

Yzerman and Detroit have to be ecstatic with where his game is heading.. Very few (young) Russian wingers play inside like he does. That translates to the NHL and Buchelnikov seems to welcome it. It’s obvious he’s played a lot of C growing up.

We’re starting to see some lethal type of things from him. The sky really is the limit, because he does play that inside outside game. In another recent game, he just attacked the net like Bure used to.

Just like Philly though, I think Detroit fans better not get too excited just yet. We just don’t know what’s going to happen with these kids. Putin and KHL owners are Nationalists to the core, and they’re going to do everything to keep these star players from coming over. What Detroit knows though, is they likely have a great, young player coming over when he finally does.

 

[Hanji]

Yzerman and Detroit have to be ecstatic with where his game is heading.. Very few (young) Russian wingers play inside like he does. That translates to the NHL and Buchelnikov seems to welcome it. It’s obvious he’s played a lot of C growing up.

We’re starting to see some lethal type of things from him. The sky really is the limit, because he does play that inside outside game. In another recent game, he just attacked the net like Bure used to.

Just like Philly though, I think Detroit fans better not get too excited just yet. We just don’t know what’s going to happen with these kids. Putin and KHL owners are Nationalists to the core, and they’re going to do everything to keep these star players from coming over. What Detroit knows though, is they likely have a great, young player coming over when he finally does.

People have been saying this almost 20 years now. Apart from the exceedingly rare occurrence (Fedotov, Malkin), it's never come close to fruition.
It's all just unnecessary fear mongering.

 

[Zine]

Yzerman and Detroit have to be ecstatic with where his game is heading.. Very few (young) Russian wingers play inside like he does. That translates to the NHL and Buchelnikov seems to welcome it. It’s obvious he’s played a lot of C growing up.

We’re starting to see some lethal type of things from him. The sky really is the limit, because he does play that inside outside game. In another recent game, he just attacked the net like Bure used to.

Just like Philly though, I think Detroit fans better not get too excited just yet. We just don’t know what’s going to happen with these kids. Putin and KHL owners are Nationalists to the core, and they’re going to do everything to keep these star players from coming over. What Detroit knows though, is they likely have a great, young player coming over when he finally does.

People have been saying this almost 20 years now. Apart from the exceedingly rare occurrence (Fedotov, Malkin), it's never come close to fruition.
It's all just unnecessary fear mongering.

Several of Putin's hockey cronies are pro-NHL. They're ex-NHLers themselves. The current hot topic isn't aversion to players going to the NHL per se. Rather it's players leaving for N.A. before they're reasonably developed. None of this will affect Buchelnikov anyways.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Several of Putin's hockey cronies are pro-NHL. They're ex-NHLers themselves. The current hot topic isn't aversion to players going to the NHL per se. Rather it's players leaving for N.A. before they're reasonably developed. None of this will affect Buchenikov anyways.

Yeah, it's mostly about kids who've been developing for years for Russian state or private (in clubs systems) money and then decide to go to NA junior leagues. It's kinda unfair to put it mildly...

 

[Petes2424]

People have been saying this almost 20 years now. Apart from the exceedingly rare occurrence (Fedotov, Malkin), it's never come close to fruition.
It's all just unnecessary fear mongering.

Are you talking about the Nationalizing of the KHL? I haven’t heard anyone talking about it for 20 years. We’ve had the most open relationship between the hockey communities prior to this war, since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Kovolchuk and Malkin talk was free market talk. Not the actual Nationalizing of the sport in Russia.

But it’s actually happening as we speak. These aren’t idle threats. There is a growing movement to keep Russians in the KHL, and the population is starting to put pressure on players to stay home and play.

There will be several Russians who don’t make huge money here, who aren’t happy with their situations, leave next spring and NOT return, after the Fedotov decision. The only reason we didn’t see it this year, was because KHL rosters were set the first week of September, and that’s when the decision came down, and the Russian Government basically told the IIHF to take a hike. If those comments came in June, several players wouldn’t have returned to North America.

They literally pulled the old Soviet blackmail, “play hockey or fight on the front lines” with Fedotov. The Russian Foreign Minister or whatever he is, got involved with the IIHF and said, “the IIHF have no jurisdiction to stop a Russian from making a living in Russia.” They have told American and Canadian players, “if they want to continue playing in the KHL, they have to become Russian citizens.”

Oh, it’s happening, whether people want to believe it or not.. Scouts aren’t allowed in Russia right now, and there’s an actual war going on. An actual real life war… We’ve also seen a very high number of young Russian players, signed to longer term KHL contracts. Not one year deals.

It’s literally happening. There’s also been a mass exodus of non Russians from the league..

Russian people, especially the Nationalists running the country, love the sport and want it to be the best. They have a lot of pride about their hockey players, and they’re not allowed to play in IIHF events right now?? Why would they want their countrymen playing in the countries financing a war against their country?

War creates Nationalism and Patriotism. This will continue to get worse until this war ends.

In fact, it’s pretty naive to think things won’t get worse. There’s literally a war happening where Russia has been shut out of international debate. But, “sure, just take our citizens for your country’s entertainment.” That’s the debate going on in Russia. There’s a huge movement to force players to stay, and it literally comes down to the opinion of one man.

Not to mention, it’s a conscript Army. They can make these kids stay.

So there will be a ton of pressure put on this young group of star caliber players, to stay at home and play for their country. We will know with the Carolina kid first. I believe it’s his contract that expires first among this group of kids. If he comes over, then a lot of these concerns will go away.

If there’s some sort of end to the war, then things will settle down, but right now, all bets are off. We simply can’t ignore the geopolitical environment right now.

 

[Kshahdoo]

His nick name in Russia is Electronic, after the main hero of Soviet cult TV series Adventures of Electronic. Electronic is a cyborg who looks exactly as 13 year old kid Sergey Syroezhkin (they were played by twin brothers). There is an episode in the series where Electronic plays hockey, so he skates circles around opponents but can't score because he always shoots at the shortest trajectory to the net (he's a robot after all), and his shots are easy to save.

Of course can't score part isn't about Buchelnikov, but he really did skating circles around opponents in junior leagues. And he looks kinda similar to Electronic.

 

[Hanji]

Are you talking about the Nationalizing of the KHL? I haven’t heard anyone talking about it for 20 years. We’ve had the most open relationship between the hockey communities prior to this war, since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Kovolchuk and Malkin talk was free market talk. Not the actual Nationalizing of the sport in Russia.

But it’s actually happening as we speak. These aren’t idle threats. There is a growing movement to keep Russians in the KHL, and the population is starting to put pressure on players to stay home and play.

There will be several Russians who don’t make huge money here, who aren’t happy with their situations, leave next spring and NOT return, after the Fedotov decision. The only reason we didn’t see it this year, was because KHL rosters were set the first week of September, and that’s when the decision came down, and the Russian Government basically told the IIHF to take a hike. If those comments came in June, several players wouldn’t have returned to North America.

They literally pulled the old Soviet blackmail, “play hockey or fight on the front lines” with Fedotov. The Russian Foreign Minister or whatever he is, got involved with the IIHF and said, “the IIHF have no jurisdiction to stop a Russian from making a living in Russia.” They have told American and Canadian players, “if they want to continue playing in the KHL, they have to become Russian citizens.”

Oh, it’s happening, whether people want to believe it or not.. Scouts aren’t allowed in Russia right now, and there’s an actual war going on. An actual real life war… We’ve also seen a very high number of young Russian players, signed to longer term KHL contracts. Not one year deals.

It’s literally happening. There’s also been a mass exodus of non Russians from the league..

Russian people, especially the Nationalists running the country, love the sport and want it to be the best. They have a lot of pride about their hockey players, and they’re not allowed to play in IIHF events right now?? Why would they want their countrymen playing in the countries financing a war against their country?

War creates Nationalism and Patriotism. This will continue to get worse until this war ends.

In fact, it’s pretty naive to think things won’t get worse. There’s literally a war happening where Russia has been shut out of international debate. But, “sure, just take our citizens for your country’s entertainment.” That’s the debate going on in Russia. There’s a huge movement to force players to stay, and it literally comes down to the opinion of one man.

Not to mention, it’s a conscript Army. They can make these kids stay.

So there will be a ton of pressure put on this young group of star caliber players, to stay at home and play for their country. We will know with the Carolina kid first. I believe it’s his contract that expires first among this group of kids. If he comes over, then a lot of these concerns will go away.

If there’s some sort of end to the war, then things will settle down, but right now, all bets are off. We simply can’t ignore the geopolitical environment right now.

So players will now be sent to the front lines? .
You’re just regurgitating every talking point now. That stuff is getting old and predictable.
Pure exaggeration and fear mongering.

This isnt the place for your Red Scare politics. Take it elsewhere please.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

 

[Indrid Cold]

So players will now be sent to the front lines? .
You’re just regurgitating every talking point now. That stuff is getting old and predictable.
Pure exaggeration and fear mongering.

This isnt the place for your Red Scare politics. Take it elsewhere please.

I don't think he was saying that. The point may have been that they would simply be 'conscripted' to prevent them from leaving the country.

 

[Hanji]

I don't think he was saying that. The point may have been that they would simply be 'conscripted' to prevent them from leaving the country.

But his example, Fedotov, who is a unicorn of an outlier, can still leave Russia as he pleases. He could be in Philly if he wanted to.
Petes2424’s example of Soviet-like tyranny (Fedotov) was even vacationing in Dubai this summer.

It serves no purpose to bring this crap up. It’s all Neo-Red Scare fear mongering fueled by, i assume, political leanings.
So unnecessary.

 

[19 for president]

It should also be noted that the Wings and Yzerman have some very direct ties to the KHL and Russian Sports Ministry. Fetisov (Deputy Minister of Sports still I believe), Fedorov (CKSA Head Coach/ Former GM), and Larionov (Torpedo HC) are all former colleagues. Feds still comes back to Detroit/Miami every summer.

The Wings and Washington probably are still the two teams with the most Russian ties, even though the Wings have had less Russians overall. Between drafting Kucherov and Vasi, Yzerman has consistently shown that he is willing to draft Russians and has successfully gotten them to come over.

You never know where the world we be in a couple of years, but I'm fairly confident the Wings will work something out to get him over.

 

[Zine]

Yeah, it's mostly about kids who've been developing for years for Russian state or private (in clubs systems) money and then decide to go to NA junior leagues. It's kinda unfair to put it mildly...

Predatory agents are a problem.

Are you talking about the Nationalizing of the KHL? I haven’t heard anyone talking about it for 20 years. We’ve had the most open relationship between the hockey communities prior to this war, since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The Kovolchuk and Malkin talk was free market talk. Not the actual Nationalizing of the sport in Russia.

But it’s actually happening as we speak. These aren’t idle threats. There is a growing movement to keep Russians in the KHL, and the population is starting to put pressure on players to stay home and play.

There will be several Russians who don’t make huge money here, who aren’t happy with their situations, leave next spring and NOT return, after the Fedotov decision. The only reason we didn’t see it this year, was because KHL rosters were set the first week of September, and that’s when the decision came down, and the Russian Government basically told the IIHF to take a hike. If those comments came in June, several players wouldn’t have returned to North America.

They literally pulled the old Soviet blackmail, “play hockey or fight on the front lines” with Fedotov. The Russian Foreign Minister or whatever he is, got involved with the IIHF and said, “the IIHF have no jurisdiction to stop a Russian from making a living in Russia.” They have told American and Canadian players, “if they want to continue playing in the KHL, they have to become Russian citizens.”

Oh, it’s happening, whether people want to believe it or not.. Scouts aren’t allowed in Russia right now, and there’s an actual war going on. An actual real life war… We’ve also seen a very high number of young Russian players, signed to longer term KHL contracts. Not one year deals.

It’s literally happening. There’s also been a mass exodus of non Russians from the league..

Russian people, especially the Nationalists running the country, love the sport and want it to be the best. They have a lot of pride about their hockey players, and they’re not allowed to play in IIHF events right now?? Why would they want their countrymen playing in the countries financing a war against their country?

War creates Nationalism and Patriotism. This will continue to get worse until this war ends.

In fact, it’s pretty naive to think things won’t get worse. There’s literally a war happening where Russia has been shut out of international debate. But, “sure, just take our citizens for your country’s entertainment.” That’s the debate going on in Russia. There’s a huge movement to force players to stay, and it literally comes down to the opinion of one man.

Not to mention, it’s a conscript Army. They can make these kids stay.

So there will be a ton of pressure put on this young group of star caliber players, to stay at home and play for their country. We will know with the Carolina kid first. I believe it’s his contract that expires first among this group of kids. If he comes over, then a lot of these concerns will go away.

If there’s some sort of end to the war, then things will settle down, but right now, all bets are off. We simply can’t ignore the geopolitical environment right now.

Your name doesnt happen to be Slava Malamud, or Dom Hasek does it?

Holy christ man.

 

[Zine]

It should also be noted that the Wings and Yzerman have some very direct ties to the KHL and Russian Sports Ministry. Fetisov (Deputy Minister of Sports still I believe), Fedorov (CKSA Head Coach/ Former GM), and Larionov (Torpedo HC) are all former colleagues. Feds still comes back to Detroit/Miami every summer.

The Wings and Washington probably are still the two teams with the most Russian ties, even though the Wings have had less Russians overall. Between drafting Kucherov and Vasi, Yzerman has consistently shown that he is willing to draft Russians and has successfully gotten them to come over.

You never know where the world we be in a couple of years, but I'm fairly confident the Wings will work something out to get him over.

What you’re describing is what the KHL actually wants… direct negotiation with the NHL and NHL teams. Whether Bettman is willing to reciprocate who knows. The current Russia/IIHF tug-of-war is predicated on the KHL wanting to be like the NHL, free from the constraints of the IIHF.

 

[Caser]

 

[Kshahdoo]

1+1 in today's game, 7+11 after 30 games overall. Without first 3 games where he almost didn't play it's 7+11 after 27 games.

 

[Kshahdoo]

1+1 today, 9+13 after 42 games overall.

 

[Caser]

 

[Caser]

 

[57special]

His nick name in Russia is Electronic, after the main hero of Soviet cult TV series Adventures of Electronic. Electronic is a cyborg who looks exactly as 13 year old kid Sergey Syroezhkin (they were played by twin brothers). There is an episode in the series where Electronic plays hockey, so he skates circles around opponents but can't score because he always shoots at the shortest trajectory to the net (he's a robot after all), and his shots are easy to save.

Of course can't score part isn't about Buchelnikov, but he really did skating circles around opponents in junior leagues. And he looks kinda similar to Electronic.

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Sounds like Bob Gainey.

 

[Kshahdoo]

And he scored an EN goal, so he finished the game with 2 goals.