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LW Arthur Kaliyev (2019, 33rd, LAK)

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nbwingsfan said:
No way for us to know if he has social issues. Maybe scouts just didn’t like the other holes in his game? Wouldn’t be the first high scoring junior player to drop because teams don’t like how their game will translate
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Choralone said:
Nah, that's not how it works. You don't get to slag someone's character based on not having the answer as to why he dropped. Just say "we don't know" and leave it at that, instead of throwing it out there that he is "a mental midget". Got any links to these "many accounts"?

Scouting is such an inexact science it's hilarious to assume that because some group-think went on with teams in the first round in not selecting him, they somehow have some sort of correct and deep insight into his character and worthiness as a hockey player. Scouts miss in drafts all the time - sometimes badly.
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It was reported after the draft that that was the case. Yes - you can surely use it as a reason as to why he dropped? I do agree scouting is an inexact science, they are 18, people change I agree. Scouts know more than us, and have more inside knowledge than us. If you disagree your kidding yourself
 
bigdog16 said:
It was reported after the draft that that was the case. Yes - you can surely use it as a reason as to why he dropped? I do agree scouting is an inexact science, they are 18, people change I agree. Scouts know more than us, and have more inside knowledge than us. If you disagree your kidding yourself
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He was also ranked #21 on McKenzie's final draft rankings, which is a collection of data by real scouts. All it takes is 1 player a team likes more than Kaliyev. Him dropping to the second round doesn't mean all the scouts agreed that he's a second round talent.
 
I see that American players have not yet left to their WJC preparation camp, where as Canadian players have.
- as have Finns, Czechs, Russians...etc. etc.
 
I definitely get some Kovalev vibes from this kid. Deadly sniper, really knows how to find the soft spots on the ice too. Big but not very physical, good patience and vision, needs some work defensively. He’s not the skater Kovalev was, but there are a lot of similarities there.

Reminds me a bit of Auston Matthews too, though some of that is probably being a big, left shooting American sniper who wears #34. But the way he shoots and the places he moves to on the ice, there are some similarities. Nowhere close to Matthews as a skater, obviously, and not as crisp or decisive a passer, but has some similarities as a goal scorer.

I do think his game will translate pretty well to the NHL. Gonna have to work a lot on his skating, and a fair bit on his defensive play and hustle, but that shot and nose for the net cant be taught, and will serve him real well.
 
ponder said:
I definitely get some Kovalev vibes from this kid. Deadly sniper, really knows how to find the soft spots on the ice too. Big but not very physical, good patience and vision, needs some work defensively. He’s not the skater Kovalev was, but there are a lot of similarities there.

Reminds me a bit of Auston Matthews too, though some of that is probably being a big, left shooting American sniper who wears #34. But the way he shoots and the places he moves to on the ice, there are some similarities. Nowhere close to Matthews as a skater, obviously, and not as crisp or decisive a passer, but has some similarities as a goal scorer.

I do think his game will translate pretty well to the NHL. Gonna have to work a lot on his skating, and a fair bit on his defensive play and hustle, but that shot and nose for the net cant be taught, and will serve him real well.
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Good post.

Regarding skating; If you talk about speed, that’s decent enough to keep up, I think.

He has a very powerful deceptive stride. With a breakout Kaliyev skates just as fast as the others but it doesnt look like that at all. The other forwards have a fast stride and Kaliyev just three/four.

It is awkward and he certainly wont beat defenders with speed, I agree. The NHL is also a faster game. Nothing wrong to improve it a bit but speedwise it is not as bad as one might think.
 
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Frolov 6'3 said:
Good post.

Regarding skating; If you talk about speed, that’s decent enough to keep up, I think.

He has a very powerful deceptive stride. With a breakout Kaliyev skates just as fast as the others but it doesnt look like that at all. The other forwards have a fast stride and Kaliyev just three/four.

It is awkward and he certainly wont beat defenders with speed, I agree. The NHL is also a faster game. Nothing wrong to improve it a bit but speedwise it is not as bad as one might think.
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Yeah, he’s not a terrible skater or anything, but a little awkward. He’s average at the OHL level, but would be below average at the NHL level. Skating is definitely something that prospects regularly improve on though, for example Draisaitl was probably a worse skater than Kaliyev at the same age, but is a solid skater now.

I mostly mentioned the skating because I was comparing him to Matthews (an excellent skater at the NHL level) and Kovalev (who was a good skater at the NHL level). He’s got a lot of similarities to these two as a goal scorer, but not really as a skater.
 
Frolov 6'3 said:
He has a very powerful deceptive stride. With a breakout Kaliyev skates just as fast as the others but it doesnt look like that at all.
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Yes, when he gets going he skates as fast as your average junior player. But how many players who became big stars only skated at average OHL speed? Most were at the very least a cut above in junior, especially in their draft+1 year.


ponder said:
Yeah, he’s not a terrible skater or anything, but a little awkward. He’s average at the OHL level, but would be below average at the NHL level. Skating is definitely something that prospects regularly improve on though, for example Draisaitl was probably a worse skater than Kaliyev at the same age, but is a solid skater now.

I mostly mentioned the skating because I was comparing him to Matthews (an excellent skater at the NHL level) and Kovalev (who was a good skater at the NHL level). He’s got a lot of similarities to these two as a goal scorer, but not really as a skater.
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Here's what I don't get about Kaliyev's skating. He does seem to have a powerful stride, but he just moves his legs soooooo slowly. He just lumbers, and it doesn't make sense. If he had four strides in the time it takes him to make three (like virtually every other player), he'd be a fine skater. Watching him it's easy to see why people think he's lazy, but I'm not even sure that's the case... it's just bewildering to me that he can't move his legs faster. And it's not a question of age, like he's going to magically develop into a hard skating workhorse... he needs to change the trajectory he's on. As much as I hate to say it, because I'd really like him to succeed, the more I see him the more I see Pavel Brendl.

If he can work out his skating and his effort, he can be a star. If not, he won't be an NHL player.
 
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