Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All

[Parkdale]

Big deal? 2.1 million could be the difference in signing one of our own players or signing a big time free agent. It's not just something you stick your nose up at.

It is a big deal and consider the uncertainty inherent with not knowing whether a cap hit could be 2.1 OR 5.3 mil and which is dependent on the whim of an aging back up goalie.

 

[4evaBlue]

The cap raised consistently on a yearly basis over the life of the last CBA so it is reasonable to assume that will continue.

The cap is tied to the player's share of the HRR, which took a 7% hit in this CBA. It will probably keep rising, but at nowhere near the rate it did during the last CBA.

 

[New Liskeard]

Ok... well ironically the leafs have exactly 2.1 million currently in buyouts and burying Orr. Is this such a debilitating circumstance? I don't recall anyone on here ever complaining about how those moves have hindered this team.

So that makes it okay to take on dead cap space? First thing is, Vancouver wants good players and prospects to take on this risk, and financial obligation, and give them cap space. There is a very real possibilty Lou will not be an elite goalie at 43 and warrants a 5.3 cap hit, you are justifying having dead cap space, knowing there is a real possibilty. Thanks but no thanks. Teams make mistakes signing players and taking on players, and then have to buy them out. This is an almost obvious case scenario. I have never seen anyone ever try to justify taking on a player and be okay with having dead cap space.

 

[Bomber0104]

Glad to see more and more Leafs fans are realizing what a bum deal this would be for Toronto.

Very encouraging to see.

 

[Parkdale]

Ok... well ironically the leafs have exactly 2.1 million currently in buyouts and burying Orr. Is this such a debilitating circumstance? I don't recall anyone on here ever complaining about how those moves have hindered this team.

Yes, the Tucker and Armstrong contracts were past blunders...let's not set up the team for a much bigger future blunder by taking on a toxic Luongo contract.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Who was the kid on twitter who predicted the Kassian Hodgson trade and a couple other minor trades before anyone else, and also said at the end of the summer, Luongo was for sure coming to Toronto?

Anyone remember?

samjam

 

[RogerRoeper*]

Everything I heard today sounds like Luongo is worth very, very little.

Chicago, a team thought by Canucks fans to be in the hunt for Luongo is trying hard to get Bernier.

Apparently Florida's interest is very mild.

 

[Parkdale]

samjam

?This guy?: "TSN Sam Jam ‏@TSNSamJam
@strombone1 I can exclusively report that Roberto Luongo will play in 1 of 30 NHL teams next year. #BreakingNews"

 

[p.l.f.]

canucks need some forwards

Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS
#canucks David Booth (groin) out 4 to 6 weeks.

Booth injury may force Luongo deal:

08:10 AM ET 01.15 | The hole Vancouver had on the second line, with the absence of Ryan Kesler, cratered a bit further on Monday. [And] it may take a Roberto Luongo trade to fill it. A groin injury to winger David Booth has the Canucks in the unenviable position of possibly starting the season Saturday without not only injured centre Ryan Kesler, but Booth as well. That's two-thirds of their second line. ... If Booth's injury is serious, it's a safe bet that general manager Mike Gillis -- if he wasn't already -- will be seeking a player who could step in and play second-line minutes in any trade for Luongo.

Vancouver Sun

 

[Hockey Talker29]

Yes, the Tucker and Armstrong contracts were past blunders...let's not set up the team for a much bigger future blunder by taking on a toxic Luongo contract.

The contract is not that bad. The fact that the new CBA allows teams to eat cap space as a part of a trade is a huge benefit to a team like the Leafs. Luongo is a very good goaltender. The Canucks were eliminated by the Stanley Cup champs three straight years. He is not some unproven plug goalie. He's a bonafide all-star and if we had had the opportunity to sign him two years ago, we probably would have given him a similar contract.

The key is to make sure we trade very little for him, which I believe is likely to be possible.

A $2m cap hit will be peanuts 6 or 7 years from now. Inflation alone will assure that, not to mention rising league revenues.

 

[Parkdale]

The contract is not that bad. The fact that the new CBA allows teams to eat cap space as a part of a trade is a huge benefit to a team like the Leafs. Luongo is a very good goaltender. The Canucks were eliminated by the Stanley Cup champs three straight years. He is not some unproven plug goalie. He's a bonafide all-star and if we had had the opportunity to sign him two years ago, we probably would have given him a similar contract.

The key is to make sure we trade very little for him, which I believe is likely to be possible.

A $2m cap hit will be peanuts 6 or 7 years from now. Inflation alone will assure that, not to mention rising league revenues.

Let's just agree to disagree on Luongo's contract, but how is the new CBA allowing teams to eat cap space a HUGE benefit to the Leafs here? Leafs don't need money and should be spending to the cap each year.

 

[threeGo]

I don't want to get luongo but wouldn't you be able to trade him to a cap floor team on an agreement that he'd retire the moment he got traded there. Then that cap floor team can take the cap hit. I'm not sure if VAN or Tor would take the other half of the cap hit.

 

[Parkdale]

I don't want to get luongo but wouldn't you be able to trade him to a cap floor team on an agreement that he'd retire the moment he got traded there. Then that cap floor team can take the cap hit. I'm not sure if VAN or Tor would take the other half of the cap hit.

A whole can of worms opened here. In your scenario, I don't think the cap floor team can take any cap hit if the player retired. If he did retired, there would be a cap liability going back to the teams he played for under the contract...in this case Van and another team (hopefully not Toronto). Now if he wink-wink did not retire, but stayed on the cap floor team as an aging and cheap roster player in the last 3 or 4 years of this contract, the cap floor team could take the full cap hit in those years and Vancouver and the other team (hopefully not Toronto) would be off the hook cap wise. There would have to be cash or other considerations flowing from Vancouver and the other team (h.n.T.) to the cap floor team for this "arrangement" only if the new CBA allows. Even if allowed by the CBA, does anyone envision this ever happening... that a team would essentially blow a roster position to help another teams cap and the player going along with the arrangement....anything is possible I guess.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

?This guy?: "TSN Sam Jam ‏@TSNSamJam
@strombone1 I can exclusively report that Roberto Luongo will play in 1 of 30 NHL teams next year. #BreakingNews"

No. This is his twitter: @samjam99

 

[BayStBullies]

Glad to see more and more Leafs fans are realizing what a bum deal this would be for Toronto.

Very encouraging to see.

No one is all of a sudden enlightened. The people (like me) who did not want to make the trade still do not; the ones that want to make the trade still do; those who are undecided, had not made up their mind.

You personally were not a part of some minority.

 

[ULF_55]

Maybe the Bruins will get in on it.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Ty-A...ruins-in-scrimmage-7-5/141/48503#.UPYia29qbw0

But for Rask, who allowed six goals on 24 shots thrown his way by American Hockey League talent, there are concerns. This was the 25-year-old's only contest before the season starts. Oh, and he's slated to begin his year against the Rick Nash-infused New York Rangers, whose starting five resemble something out of an NHL05-esque Hero Line. "I was slipping there the last period for sure, four or five goals," Rask admitted after the loss, attempting to silence any alarms and fears B's fans have heading into the weekend. "I think it was just a good wake up call for Saturday. And I don’t want to be too down on ourselves, but [we] still got to wake up and raise our battle meter for sure."

Dougie Hamilton for Luongo?

 

[Winreims]

^^ I'm sure the Bruins aren't that worried about Rask after ONE bad game in the AHL. If they don't want him, we'll gladly take him off their hands...

 

[Hockey Talker29]

Let's just agree to disagree on Luongo's contract, but how is the new CBA allowing teams to eat cap space a HUGE benefit to the Leafs here? Leafs don't need money and should be spending to the cap each year.

For a team that is wealthy, being able to eat cap hit and salary makes it much easier to move big contracts. A few years from now, Luongo may not be worth $5m per year on the cap, but $2.5m is a lot more appealing. The contract is not nearly as bad in this cba.

 

[McMatthews]

Forget Luongo for the next 48 games.

Revisit this at the draft if he's still available.

 

[rdawg1234]

Forget Luongo for the next 48 games.

Revisit this at the draft if he's still available.

I actually agree now.

These 3 months will go by fast(especially with the Blue Jays starting in early april)

I hate saying tank, because it ruins the fun of the season, but this draft could really help this franchise.

Adding Luongo in the summer could also make this team an instant playoff team on top of that.

 

[Bomber0104]

No one is all of a sudden enlightened. The people (like me) who did not want to make the trade still do not; the ones that want to make the trade still do; those who are undecided, had not made up their mind.

You personally were not a part of some minority.

The tides are changing my friend.

People are starting to see the reasoning and rationality of not trading for Lungo.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Bob McKenzie said on Vancouver radio that Gillis is holding firm on the price for Luongo and nobody is willing to pay it. Said Bernier is something they will consider.

Great news. I'd be down to give Bernie a chance. As long as we keep kadri ofcourse.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

He is tiny, hows he going to survive the nhl. No idea why so much love for this lightweight.

This This This! Tiny players in the NHL just don't work. Just look at that scub St. Luis

 

[Confucius]

I actually agree now.

These 3 months will go by fast(especially with the Blue Jays starting in early april)

I hate saying tank, because it ruins the fun of the season, but this draft could really help this franchise.

Adding Luongo in the summer could also make this team an instant playoff team on top of that.

Tank is just a word, play the kids see how they do. Every game could be a surprise.

 

[Confucius]

Great news. I'd be down to give Bernie a chance. As long as we keep kadri ofcourse.

Me too!!