Lundqvist's career and why he's a HHOF

innitfam

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Lundqvist also passed Tony Esposito, who spent pretty much much his entire career in a 78 or 80 games/season NHL. Esposito is an actual notable HHOF'er, who is ALSO without a Stanley Cup (no role whatsoever in '69 with the Canadiens).

Tony's name is on the Cup. He's a champion. Pretty sure he counts it.
 
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From Tony Esposito Wikipedia page... I'm pretty sure he counts as a Stanley Cup champion.

He was the 3rd stringer who didn't play a single playoff game.

Like, replace Esposito with Don Cherry during the playoffs and they win regardless. He's not getting any HHOF brownie points for this.
 

innitfam

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He was the 3rd stringer who didn't play a single playoff game.

Like, replace Esposito with Don Cherry during the playoffs and they win regardless.

And yet, his name is on the Cup.

Name on the Cup = champion. Simple as that.
 

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Okay, you're right.

Now, tell me how Espo's case is reliant on this championship.

It's not, at all. Definitely deserving either way. Never said he wasn't deserving without the Cup. It's inaccurate to say Tony didn't win the Cup is all I'm saying.
 

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If he is in then Tuukka Rask should be in too if he is doing what he is doing. Much better stats and also Vezina and should have been Conn Smythe winner two times. If Boston is gonna win the cup with him then at least or anyway if he is continuing playing like this
 

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This thread is made like twice a year. He was a HOF lock years ago. He's an average goalie currently, but for almost a decade he dragged sub-par teams deep into the playoffs.
 

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He'll definitely get in. I feel like he may be one of the last ones for the foreseeable future to do it too considering it's becoming a position where there are more ups and downs and inconsistencies than ever before.
I dunno, from the more recent crop I could see Price, Fleury, Quick, Rask and Rinne all having a shot of getting there one day. And a few other guys who have a lot of work to do, but it is not unforeseeable.
 

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As a Ranger fan, I always have that worry that he won't make it in b/c he lacks a Cup win. But from 2005-06 to 2014-15, he never finished lower than 6th in Vezina voting, and half of those he finished in the Top 3. He is also in the Top 5 in Wins, and is the winningest European goalie in NHL history.
 

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Should Lundqvist be in the hall? Absolutely, without a doubt, first ballot

Will he be in the hall? Harder to say with the way goalies are under represented. Only 36 goalies in the hall and 21 of them played all or nearly all of their career prior to the '67 expansion and then another one is Tretiak. That means over the last 50+ years, only 14 NHL goalies have been deemed worthy.

I think there's no doubt he's the best of the post Hasek/Roy/Brodeur era, so that should be what allows him to beat the long odds that goalies face. But I could see a situation where the voters prove to be stubborn dinosaurs and don't vote him first ballot due to lack of Cups.
 
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Should Lundqvist be in the hall? Absolutely, without a doubt, first ballot

Will he be in the hall? Harder to say with the way goalies are under represented. Only 36 goalies in the hall and 21 of them played all or nearly all of their career prior to the '67 expansion and then another one is Tretiak. That means over the last 50+ years, only 14 NHL goalies have been deemed worthy.

I think there's no doubt he's the best of the post Hasek/Roy/Brodeur era, so that should be what allows him to beat the long odds that goalies face. But I could see a situation where the voters prove to be stubborn dinosaurs and don't vote him first ballot due to lack of Cups.

The answer to your second question is the same as the first. He is going to be a first ballot HOFer.
 

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Should Lundqvist be in the hall? Absolutely, without a doubt, first ballot

Will he be in the hall? Harder to say with the way goalies are under represented. Only 36 goalies in the hall and 21 of them played all or nearly all of their career prior to the '67 expansion and then another one is Tretiak. That means over the last 50+ years, only 14 NHL goalies have been deemed worthy.

I think there's no doubt he's the best of the post Hasek/Roy/Brodeur era, so that should be what allows him to beat the long odds that goalies face. But I could see a situation where the voters prove to be stubborn dinosaurs and don't vote him first ballot due to lack of Cups.

Best career post those 3? Sure.

Best goaltender if everyone is on their best day? Nope.

I take peak Thomas, Giguere and Price over peak Lundqvist
 

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HOFer but let's not get carried away. Lundqvist isn't on the same level of Brodeur, Hasek, or Roy.

I think it’s implied that he means goalies who made their debut from 2000 to present day. I agree with him that it’s no contest.
 

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That is a fairly common false narrative among Ranger fans. Teams don't make playoffs/ECF consistently because of one player.
Where the argument really falls apart is when Hank's backups consistently put up better numbers (Talbot, Raanta, Georgiev) in fairly large sample sizes. In order to buy into the false narrative, you must believe that, somehow, the players performed consistently worse in front of Hank. I've heard many fans use the excuse that the players were too comfortable in front of Hank and knew Hank would bail them out. This is just a ridiculous argument.
Hank will be in the HHOF, but lets not overstate his greatness.

Ok, I'll play along.

In 2014-2015, Talbot in 31 games put up 2.21 GAA and .926% sv%. Lundqvist in 46 games put up 2.25GAA and .922sv%.

In 2015-2016, Raanta in 31 games 2.24GAA and .919sv%. Lundqvist in 65 games had a 2.48GAA, and .920sv%

Does the argument really fall apart, considering the amount of times they've made playoffs with Talbot, Raanta and Georgiev = 4 times out of the 11 times Lundqvist has reached the playoffs? And in 2 of those seasons it's not like Lundqvist didn't do the majority of the work where he was completely outplayed. He was great. Is he in the category of the top 5, probably not. But if anybody looks at our team through-out most of those seasons, especially early on, and thinks Lundqvist didn't play a majority role in making the playoffs, I really don't know what you were watching
 
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Yeah, but rotating in a back-up goalie was not common back in previous eras as well. Guys like Sawchuk and Plante regularly played the 55-70 games a year that more modern goalies are used to.

Joseph wouldn't be the worst HHOF candidate either, but Lundqvist has a clear advantage over him in career GAA and SV%. Roberto Luongo falls in between these 2 by most metrics, and I am a believer that he should be in there one day as well.

While I agree that Lundqvist should be ranked ahead of Joseph, GGA and SV% shouldn't be used as an argument when comparing both eras. Lundqvist has also Roy beaten in both categories, thanks to modern equipement.
 

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While I agree that Lundqvist should be ranked ahead of Joseph, GGA and SV% shouldn't be used as an argument when comparing both eras. Lundqvist has also Roy beaten in both categories, thanks to modern equipement.
How about how they rank in their respective eras?

Across the years 05/06-14/15, Lundqvist ranked:
Wins - 1st
SV% - T3rd
GAA - 4th
SO - 1st

Curtis Joseph during the years 91/92-01/02 ranked:
Wins - 3rd
SV% - 16th
GAA - 30th
SO - 5th
 
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Best goalie of the last 15 years has:

(2) All-Star Team selections
(1) Vezina

He's not even on Belfour's level, much less, Roy, Brodeur or Hasek. And great-goalie-is-Cupless-because-of-his-teammates is a tired narrative. He played behind tons of talent. Just wasn't good enough to bring that legendary talent for 4 straight playoff series, much like his career clone, Rask.
 

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I would have liked to see him with Sakic, Forsberg , Rob Blake, Foote , etc. I belive he would have won a cup with that team...
 

ZEBROA

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Best goalie of the last 15 years has:

(2) All-Star Team selections
(1) Vezina

He's not even on Belfour's level, much less, Roy, Brodeur or Hasek. And great-goalie-is-Cupless-because-of-his-teammates is a tired narrative. He played behind tons of talent. Just wasn't good enough to bring that legendary talent for 4 straight playoff series, much like his career clone, Rask.
So you dont think he is a HHOF?
 

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He’s played at such a high level for so long and absolutely carried some really good rangers teams on his shoulders. Definitely a HOF player. As an isles fan I certainly respect him.
 

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Ok, I'll play along.

In 2014-2015, Talbot in 31 games put up 2.21 GAA and .926% sv%. Lundqvist in 46 games put up 2.25GAA and .922sv%.

In 2015-2016, Raanta in 31 games 2.24GAA and .919sv%. Lundqvist in 65 games had a 2.48GAA, and .920sv%

Does the argument really fall apart, considering the amount of times they've made playoffs with Talbot, Raanta and Georgiev = 4 times out of the 11 times Lundqvist has reached the playoffs? And in 2 of those seasons it's not like Lundqvist didn't do the majority of the work where he was completely outplayed. He was great. Is he in the category of the top 5, probably not. But if anybody looks at our team through-out most of those seasons, especially early on, and thinks Lundqvist didn't play a majority role in making the playoffs, I really don't know what you were watching
Well, he did get outplayed by Quick in the most important series of them all.
 

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