Lundqvist's career and why he's a HHOF

[Brun0]

1 vezina nad 0 cups

soup

 

[MakeTheGoalsLarger]

Hasek's Buffalo teams were worse, especially compared to some of the teams Lundqvist had 7-8 years ago or so. Hasek was still in the conversation as the GOAT before his cup with Detroit.

Hasek won 2 Harts and 6 Vezinas on teams just as bad as what Lundqvist has had to work with. Lundqvist is a great goaltender, 1st ballot HOFer...but has never been on that level.

Look at Hasek's numbers...and then remind yourself this was during the dead puck era and slightly before...on a team where he was playing behind guys that were brutal.

Yeah Hasek's teammates where bad offensively .....while being annoyingly good defensively, but somehow no one cares about that fact so Hasek got all the praise. Hasek was amazing but his Buffalo teammates are incredibly underrated.

Roy's teammates in 93 are underrated as well. A goalie can't shine without having good teammates.

 

[ozzie]

I always find the King is slightly over rated around here and The Flower doesn't get enough credit, at least IMHO. I'd put both in the HHOF. People were spoiled in the 90's with Roy/Hasek and Broduer.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

We know Talbot had a better SV% and GAA in 2014 over 36 games.
Raanta had a 2.24 and 2.26 GAA in 2015 and 2016, 25 and 30 games respectively. Hanks was 2.48 and 2.74. Raanta SV% was 919 and 922. Hanks was 920 and 910.
As far as Georgiev, we can leave that as what will be based on a small sample size, but up to this point, Georgie has consistently outplayed Hank. The current rendition of Hank is one who finds himself out of position far too often, having to react to make routine saves look dramatic. He swims in his crease and finds himself on his stomach way too often. But, I will gladly concede on Georgie since I know its only a matter of time until he takes over the net. Him or Shesterkin.
So, my initial premise was that it was/is a false narrative that Hank carried teams on his back and never got the support that his backups received. My thought was that it is nonsense. Nothing you have stated changed that thought.

So,

I would argue that the "backup mentality" should be considered. So many times the team would clamp down when Talbot or Raanta were in net and play much looser with Hank because "well Hank has our back so let's be risky". Both Talbot and Raanta played a very calm, make the save your supposed to. Hank makes saves your not supposed to so often that he is raises your expectations for snipe jobs that "should have been saved" Don't get me wrong, the last couple of years he has let in a few leakers but he still makes that bonkers save that he shouldn't make.

 

[Aurinko]

Lundqvist and Rinne have quite similar careers, both REALLY low picks, both really key players for their franchise.

Im thinking Fleury is the only one going to HHoF (cups)

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[gwh]

Lundqvist and Rinne have quite similar careers, both REALLY low picks, both really key players for their franchise.

Im thinking Fleury is the only one going to HHoF (cups)

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Fleury has no vezina. This is not happening before he wins at least one.

Tim Thomas has 2 vezinas, one mvp, one cup.

Bobrovsky has 2 vezinas, but he sucks now. Winning a cup is highly unlikely given the current state of his teammates and his gameplay.