Lucas Raymond, 19 years old, 22 points in 24 games

[GeeoffBrown]

What are the odds of him making Team Sweden come Feb you think? If he keeps it up I'm sure it can't hurt to have another offensive weapon in their toolset

I feel like the picks for the top countries' Olympic teams are always super conservative, so Raymond's odds are very low IMO

 

[L30N]

First off; gentlemen and gentleladies, don't get me wrong here, I absolutely adore my fellow countryman-, and even more impressive, my fellow city-product, - that is the phenomena, Lucas Raymond. I do not think he's pulling any sort, kind, form, or variety of punches in the ongoing bout for the Calder trophy. He's actually quite a bit ahead I'd say... He's just crazy electric... A darn impressive one-time release too, in my opinion.

With that said, would it be fair to say that his stats (13 points in 12 games) are just a wee bit inflated because of the fact that he's actually on the 1st line? I mean he's getting more TOI playing with the prime pack, right? Loads of PP minutes and opportunities as well, yassss queen? And not to sweep under the rug, better linemates that can score doing solo numbers, full of dekes, after receiving an assist from Raymond. I'm obviously thinking about Bertuzzi here. Last game Raymond had 3 assists (and I'm not at all against secondary helpers counting as a full point), but especially that last lamp-lighter was a clear example of Bertie Bott's Ever So Deliciously Flavoured Hold-My-Beer Performance™.

How is it usually with highly touted, young blooded, fresh-of-the-rack prospects at 19 years of age? I could be wrong but I feel it's a more common practice to develop their place and confidence (and not least, let them adapt themselves to a more rough'n'rugged game among grown-ass men) on the 3rd line or so? Thus, playing alongside players with a considerably smaller bag of magic tricks. For example, didn't Lafreniere, being a 1OA and all, play on the 3rd a lot in his first season? Got smacked down from a trial on the 1st at the start of the season if I remember it correctly; safe to say though; he did not cause any jyzzed-down pantaloons... Furthermore, what about Hughes? Byfield? Kakko? along with *insert mint quality prospect* as well? A fair amount of time spent by those guys on low-tier lines too if I'm not terribly mistaken, and not always on high-skilled teams at that. I'm not claiming that Bertuzzi is a particularly 'elite' 1st liner, though it is safe to say: the kid does bag a fair amount of tasty, highlight-reel-worthy goals.

At the same time, I guess you have to factor in the fact that the Red Wings doesn't have a surplus of above-average players, so, I guess the first line maybe is, in fact, where Raygun belongs based on individual skill. (yes, as a matter of fact, I did just now, this moment, coin that premium quality "as-of-this-moment-and-onwards-and-without-doubt-here-to-stay"-moniker ). But apart from all this blabbering, my reasoning is: If Raygun would be on a more top-tier team, full of more experienced, nicely matured hockey players that, at least in some cases, are above Raygun skill-wise. If so, then perhaps he might've been given (in the ballpark of) a 3rd line role, like has been the case for a lot of highly touted draftees. In that case, I'd reckon those 13 points in 12 games would transfer to maybe... 8 points or so? Still, those are some really impressive numbers considering the lack of all 1st line free candy mentioned earlier in this little bid. I just can't help the feeling that considerably fewer of the Eureka!-exclaiming fans than I expected are addressing this; and instead, they just go all-in on those "DIS BEAUT RITE HERE B PACING MAFK'N' 90 POINTS ON THE SZN!!"-rant-sessions, entirely devoid of mentioning that it might be wise to put some weight on the on-going, potentially point-boosting advantages this child-prodigy has got lying before him, comfortable within the reach of his grasp!

I think I've used up a lifetime's worth of question-marks and thinking-out-loud-allowance writing this nitpicky, and perhaps even trivial, little thread-offering. I do apologize for stealing time off of you fine people if that is in fact the case; Jokes and "taking-it-too-far-it's-not-even-funny-pls-stahp"-goofiness aside: Speak up, people! What do y'all think is the fairest, and as much as possible, properly unbiased take on this?

Change my ramblin' mind if need be!

//L30N

 

[BHD]

I didn't realize he had that many points already.

 

[ManWithNoName]

First off; gentlemen and gentleladies, don't get me wrong here, I absolutely adore my fellow countryman-, and even more impressive, my fellow city-product, - that is the phenomena, Lucas Raymond. I think he's not pulling any punches in the bout for the Calder trophy. He's actually quite a bit ahead I'd say... He's just crazy electric... A darn impressive one-time release too, in my opinion.

With that said, would it be fair to say that his stats (13 points in 12 games) are just a wee bit inflated because of the fact that he's actually on the 1st line? I mean he's getting more TOI playing with the prime pack, right? Loads of PP minutes and opportunities as well, yassss queen? And not to sweep under the rug, better linemates that can score doing solo numbers, full of dekes, after receiving an assist from Raymond. I'm obviously thinking about Bertuzzi here. Last game Raymond had 3 assists (and I'm not at all against secondary helpers counting as a full point), but especially that last lamp-lighter was a clear example of Bertie Bott's Ever So Deliciously Flavoured Hold-My-Beer Performance™.

How is it usually with highly touted, young blooded, fresh-of-the-rack prospects at 19 years of age? I could be wrong but I feel it's a more common practice to develop their place and confidence (and not least, let them adapt themselves to a more rough'n'rugged game among grown-ass men) on the 3rd line or so? Thus, playing alongside players with a considerably smaller bag of magic tricks. For example, didn't Lafreniere, being a 1OA and all, play on the 3rd a lot in his first season? Got smacked down from a trial on the 1st at the start of the season if I remember it correctly; safe to say though; he did not cause any jyzzed-down pantaloons... Furthermore, what about Hughes? Byfield? Kakko? along with *insert mint quality prospect* as well? A fair amount of time spent by those guys on low-tier lines too if I'm not terribly mistaken, and not always on high-skilled teams at that. I'm not claiming that Bertuzzi is a particularly 'elite' 1st liner, though it is safe to say: the kid does bag a fair amount of tasty, highlight-reel-worthy goals.

At the same time, I guess you have to factor in the fact that the Red Wings doesn't have a surplus of above-average players, so, I guess the first line maybe is, in fact, where Raygun belongs based on individual skill. (yes, as a matter of fact, I did just now, this moment, coin that premium quality "as-of-this-moment-and-onwards-and-without-doubt-here-to-stay"-moniker ). But apart from all this blabbering, my reasoning is: If Raygun would be on a more top-tier team, full of more experienced, nicely matured hockey players that, at least in some cases, are above Raygun skill-wise. If so, then perhaps he might've been given (in the ballpark of) a 3rd line role, like has been the case for a lot of highly touted draftees. In that case, I'd reckon those 13 points in 12 games would transfer to maybe... 8 points or so? Still, those are some really impressive numbers considering the lack of all 1st line free candy mentioned earlier in this little bid. I just can't help the feeling that considerably fewer of the Eureka!-exclaiming fans than I expected are addressing this; and instead, they just go all-in on those "DIS BEAUT RITE HERE B PACING MAFK'N' 90 POINTS ON THE SZN!!"-rant-sessions, entirely devoid of mentioning that it might be wise to put some weight on the on-going, potentially point-boosting advantages this child-prodigy has got lying before him, comfortable within the reach of his grasp!

I think I've used up a lifetime's worth of question-marks and thinking-out-loud-allowance writing this nitpicky, and perhaps even trivial, little thread-offering. I do apologize for stealing time off of you fine people if that is in fact the case; Jokes and "taking-it-too-far-it's-not-even-funny-pls-stahp"-goofiness aside: Speak up, people! What do y'all think is the fairest, and as much as possible, properly unbiased take on this?

Change my ramblin' mind if need be!

//L30N

I’m also from GBG and have watched a ton of his games while he was in Frölunda. I haven’t watched any of Detroits games, just the highlights but I’m pleasantly surprised. He has all the talent and the mindset to succeed and I believe playing on the first line was a huge confidence boost for him. Besides that, the expectations on Detroit are low so he’s playing without any real pressure.

I don’t think he would have been this good if he had played on a third line on another team.

I’m really happy he’s doing so good but still expect him to go through some tougher times during the season, it happens to all players.

 

[GreytWun]

He’s producing against other teams 1st line players but let’s discredit that because he plays on the Detroits 1st line.
Not to mention he hasn’t played with their number 1 Center for half the games this year.

This place is a joke sometimes.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I mean, technically it’s the first line. It’s Pius Suter and Tyler Bertuzzi. Not Artemi Panarin and Mika Zibanejad lol. He’s the biggest and best part of that line and drives the play. Bertuzzi is an extremely opportunistic player and works very hard but he does not drive play by himself.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I’m also from GBG and have watched a ton of his games while he was in Frölunda. I haven’t watched any of Detroits games, just the highlights but I’m pleasantly surprised. He has all the talent and the mindset to succeed and I believe playing on the first line was a huge confidence boost for him. Besides that, the expectations on Detroit are low so he’s playing without any real pressure.

I don’t think he would have been this good if he had played on a third line on another team.

I’m really happy he’s doing so good but still expect him to go through some tougher times during the season, it happens to all players.

I have no doubt that he will slow down, hit a wall so to speak.

82 games is a long season.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Would people around here vote Larkin a top 30 center in the league? Bertuzzi a top 30 winger?
And both of them have missed games, leaving Raymond with guys like Pius Suter, Robby Fabbri or Michael Rasmussen.

Top line also means top matchups, and we've seen Raymond perform well against some really good competition.

I'd argue that a player like Lundell is in a much more beneficial situation. He can take easier matchups behind one of the NHL's best centers, and he's on such a good team that no matter the situation he's likely surrounded by better players than Raymond is.
Same thing with Byram who is on the ice with Mackinnons and Landeskogs and Girards and so on.

 

[L30N]

I’m also from GBG and have watched a ton of his games while he was in Frölunda. I haven’t watched any of Detroits games, just the highlights but I’m pleasantly surprised. He has all the talent and the mindset to succeed and I believe playing on the first line was a huge confidence boost for him. Besides that, the expectations on Detroit are low so he’s playing without any real pressure.

I don’t think he would have been this good if he had played on a third line on another team.

I’m really happy he’s doing so good but still expect him to go through some tougher times during the season, it happens to all players.

Heey-oo! That's awesome brother! He sure is applying some much-welcomed warmth to our gôthenburgian souls with his current performance; -cleansing us of the bitterly raw and pungently salty sea breeze of November, bless! I do agree with you, a hard rain's a-gonna fall o'er his head of him at some point of the season; that's usually the way she goes, innit?. It would be immensely difficult to keep this kind of production flowing consistently through the whole campaign, especially in one's rookie year at that I wouldn't dare to rule out a particularly point-dense rookie year, however; regardless of a few dips and cold streaks. 90 points (i.e. the current pace) is a tad bit too optimistic but I'd reckon he can poke a hole in the 70-point barrier if he would continue forward with his head high, utilizing that confidence that comes with having such a huge role, at such a tender age, on a classic team, playing in the best hockey league in the world, hehe And not to forget; the boost he must feel from the sheer amount of faith that Stevie Y., the coaches, the team staff, the fans, etc, are instilling in him! 30 goals on the season is not an unrealistic figure either, in my opinion. I was actually wondering if he ever even left the ice at all during the game vs. Buffalo, it did seem like he was had something to do with close to every sequence of danger in the offensive zone! Fun stuff to watch

 

[HockeyVirus]

Raymond would not be the first player to come in amazing hot and then sizzle out as the year goes on and never reach that level again. We'll see what Raymond is.

 

[RedLeader]

Hehe it's funny that the old redwings excuse of player x is not good because he play's with on a team with player z,y is still going strong even though we are far away from Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetterberg..

 

[Pavels Dog]

Hehe it's funny that the old redwings excuse of player x is not good because he play's with on a team with player z,y is still going strong even though we are far away from Lidstrom, Datsyuk and Zetterberg..

To be fair Raymond does play with Moritz Seider.

 

[r0bert8841]

First off; gentlemen and gentleladies, don't get me wrong here, I absolutely adore my fellow countryman-, and even more impressive, my fellow city-product, - that is the phenomena, Lucas Raymond. I do not think he's pulling any sort, kind, form, or variety of punches in the ongoing bout for the Calder trophy. He's actually quite a bit ahead I'd say... He's just crazy electric... A darn impressive one-time release too, in my opinion.

With that said, would it be fair to say that his stats (13 points in 12 games) are just a wee bit inflated because of the fact that he's actually on the 1st line? I mean he's getting more TOI playing with the prime pack, right? Loads of PP minutes and opportunities as well, yassss queen? And not to sweep under the rug, better linemates that can score doing solo numbers, full of dekes, after receiving an assist from Raymond. I'm obviously thinking about Bertuzzi here. Last game Raymond had 3 assists (and I'm not at all against secondary helpers counting as a full point), but especially that last lamp-lighter was a clear example of Bertie Bott's Ever So Deliciously Flavoured Hold-My-Beer Performance™.

How is it usually with highly touted, young blooded, fresh-of-the-rack prospects at 19 years of age? I could be wrong but I feel it's a more common practice to develop their place and confidence (and not least, let them adapt themselves to a more rough'n'rugged game among grown-ass men) on the 3rd line or so? Thus, playing alongside players with a considerably smaller bag of magic tricks. For example, didn't Lafreniere, being a 1OA and all, play on the 3rd a lot in his first season? Got smacked down from a trial on the 1st at the start of the season if I remember it correctly; safe to say though; he did not cause any jyzzed-down pantaloons... Furthermore, what about Hughes? Byfield? Kakko? along with *insert mint quality prospect* as well? A fair amount of time spent by those guys on low-tier lines too if I'm not terribly mistaken, and not always on high-skilled teams at that. I'm not claiming that Bertuzzi is a particularly 'elite' 1st liner, though it is safe to say: the kid does bag a fair amount of tasty, highlight-reel-worthy goals.

At the same time, I guess you have to factor in the fact that the Red Wings doesn't have a surplus of above-average players, so, I guess the first line maybe is, in fact, where Raygun belongs based on individual skill. (yes, as a matter of fact, I did just now, this moment, coin that premium quality "as-of-this-moment-and-onwards-and-without-doubt-here-to-stay"-moniker ). But apart from all this blabbering, my reasoning is: If Raygun would be on a more top-tier team, full of more experienced, nicely matured hockey players that, at least in some cases, are above Raygun skill-wise. If so, then perhaps he might've been given (in the ballpark of) a 3rd line role, like has been the case for a lot of highly touted draftees. In that case, I'd reckon those 13 points in 12 games would transfer to maybe... 8 points or so? Still, those are some really impressive numbers considering the lack of all 1st line free candy mentioned earlier in this little bid. I just can't help the feeling that considerably fewer of the Eureka!-exclaiming fans than I expected are addressing this; and instead, they just go all-in on those "DIS BEAUT RITE HERE B PACING MAFK'N' 90 POINTS ON THE SZN!!"-rant-sessions, entirely devoid of mentioning that it might be wise to put some weight on the on-going, potentially point-boosting advantages this child-prodigy has got lying before him, comfortable within the reach of his grasp!

I think I've used up a lifetime's worth of question-marks and thinking-out-loud-allowance writing this nitpicky, and perhaps even trivial, little thread-offering. I do apologize for stealing time off of you fine people if that is in fact the case; Jokes and "taking-it-too-far-it's-not-even-funny-pls-stahp"-goofiness aside: Speak up, people! What do y'all think is the fairest, and as much as possible, properly unbiased take on this?

Change my ramblin' mind if need be!

//L30N

Would Raymond be putting up the same numbers on the 3rd line? Probably not. Would Lundell put up similar numbers on the first line? If he would they should put him there. Because Raymond has more points than anyone on the Panthers (with one more game played). In fact Raymond is tied for 13th in the league in scoring right now.

The rule for young kids is usually don’t give them more than they can handle. But it’s clear he can handle the responsibility

 

[L30N]

Would people around here vote Larkin a top 30 center in the league? Bertuzzi a top 30 winger?
And both of them have missed games, leaving Raymond with guys like Pius Suter, Robby Fabbri or Michael Rasmussen.

Top line also means top matchups, and we've seen Raymond perform well against some really good competition.

I'd argue that a player like Lundell is in a much more beneficial situation. He can take easier matchups behind one of the NHL's best centers, and he's on such a good team that no matter the situation he's likely surrounded by better players than Raymond is.
Same thing with Byram who is on the ice with Mackinnons and Landeskogs and Girards and so on.

Those are some seriously valid points you got there! I completely overlooked the difficulties of facing the top-lines of the opposing teams, with the majority of those lines quite a bit better than Detroit's own top-tier lines, on top of that. Do you know of other blue-chip rookies this season that are getting top-line minutes? Would be an interesting comparison...

And no, I'm not overly fond of-, nor impressed by Dylan Larkin as of late... He's been slippin' a bit, hasn't he? Top 30 though... that's quite a long list so he could very well break into that, or just miss it, despite the beige-colored, bleakishly flat 'rush' of amusement I get from him, personally. But then again, I didn't watch much of Detroit before Raygun came into the mix (not a Detroit fan per see). Bertie is undoubtedly a skilled goalscorer, I do enjoy what I've seen of him I'd say. I have a feeling that he can border on being a bit one-dimensional, though? A bit like Duclair sort of... He'd probably make the list as well based on those silky mitts. If he'd fall short, then it wouldn't be by much at least

 

[L30N]

Would Raymond be putting up the same numbers on the 3rd line? Probably not. Would Lundell put up similar numbers on the first line? If he would they should put him there. Because Raymond has more points than anyone on the Panthers (with one more game played). In fact Raymond is tied for 13th in the league in scoring right now.

The rule for young kids is usually don’t give them more than they can handle. But it’s clear he can handle the responsibility

Agreed. One little breadcrumb of worry in my otherwise smooth bed is that when it comes to Raygun, I honestly have no idea how he'd handle it when his game, and/or the team's drop to "under expectations" for a period of time. I wouldn't say that Detroit is a great team right now, really, but I do feel as if they've performed a bit over the expectations that people had on them coming into this season. And Raymond's own personal success with production has yet to stagger or halt (he just scored his 6th on the year some 10 minutes ago, hehe), but who knows how he'll react when it eventually does.

 

[branch]

Really wanted him at #5 in the draft...nice pick by Detroit

 

[LarKing]

His shooting percentage will come back down to earth but you’ve gotta love what he’s doing right now. Haven’t caught every game this year but in the ones I’ve watched Raymond doesn’t look at all out of place defensively. He and Seider may very well end up 1 and 2 for the Calder at this rate.

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

If raymond slows down it will be because of a long season and rookie fatigue not because the league has figured him out. He gets his points all off of iq and skill, he’s in the right place right time every single game. He will be a top point getter in this league, he just has it.

 

[johan f]

So, in short: points scored by players in teams first lines shall not count.

First off; gentlemen and gentleladies, don't get me wrong here, I absolutely adore my fellow countryman-, and even more impressive, my fellow city-product, - that is the phenomena, Lucas Raymond. I do not think he's pulling any sort, kind, form, or variety of punches in the ongoing bout for the Calder trophy. He's actually quite a bit ahead I'd say... He's just crazy electric... A darn impressive one-time release too, in my opinion.

With that said, would it be fair to say that his stats (13 points in 12 games) are just a wee bit inflated because of the fact that he's actually on the 1st line? I mean he's getting more TOI playing with the prime pack, right? Loads of PP minutes and opportunities as well, yassss queen? And not to sweep under the rug, better linemates that can score doing solo numbers, full of dekes, after receiving an assist from Raymond. I'm obviously thinking about Bertuzzi here. Last game Raymond had 3 assists (and I'm not at all against secondary helpers counting as a full point), but especially that last lamp-lighter was a clear example of Bertie Bott's Ever So Deliciously Flavoured Hold-My-Beer Performance™.

How is it usually with highly touted, young blooded, fresh-of-the-rack prospects at 19 years of age? I could be wrong but I feel it's a more common practice to develop their place and confidence (and not least, let them adapt themselves to a more rough'n'rugged game among grown-ass men) on the 3rd line or so? Thus, playing alongside players with a considerably smaller bag of magic tricks. For example, didn't Lafreniere, being a 1OA and all, play on the 3rd a lot in his first season? Got smacked down from a trial on the 1st at the start of the season if I remember it correctly; safe to say though; he did not cause any jyzzed-down pantaloons... Furthermore, what about Hughes? Byfield? Kakko? along with *insert mint quality prospect* as well? A fair amount of time spent by those guys on low-tier lines too if I'm not terribly mistaken, and not always on high-skilled teams at that. I'm not claiming that Bertuzzi is a particularly 'elite' 1st liner, though it is safe to say: the kid does bag a fair amount of tasty, highlight-reel-worthy goals.

At the same time, I guess you have to factor in the fact that the Red Wings doesn't have a surplus of above-average players, so, I guess the first line maybe is, in fact, where Raygun belongs based on individual skill. (yes, as a matter of fact, I did just now, this moment, coin that premium quality "as-of-this-moment-and-onwards-and-without-doubt-here-to-stay"-moniker ). But apart from all this blabbering, my reasoning is: If Raygun would be on a more top-tier team, full of more experienced, nicely matured hockey players that, at least in some cases, are above Raygun skill-wise. If so, then perhaps he might've been given (in the ballpark of) a 3rd line role, like has been the case for a lot of highly touted draftees. In that case, I'd reckon those 13 points in 12 games would transfer to maybe... 8 points or so? Still, those are some really impressive numbers considering the lack of all 1st line free candy mentioned earlier in this little bid. I just can't help the feeling that considerably fewer of the Eureka!-exclaiming fans than I expected are addressing this; and instead, they just go all-in on those "DIS BEAUT RITE HERE B PACING MAFK'N' 90 POINTS ON THE SZN!!"-rant-sessions, entirely devoid of mentioning that it might be wise to put some weight on the on-going, potentially point-boosting advantages this child-prodigy has got lying before him, comfortable within the reach of his grasp!

I think I've used up a lifetime's worth of question-marks and thinking-out-loud-allowance writing this nitpicky, and perhaps even trivial, little thread-offering. I do apologize for stealing time off of you fine people if that is in fact the case; Jokes and "taking-it-too-far-it's-not-even-funny-pls-stahp"-goofiness aside: Speak up, people! What do y'all think is the fairest, and as much as possible, properly unbiased take on this?

Change my ramblin' mind if need be!

//L30N

 

[PatrikBerglund]

Another goal vs Vegas.

 

[L30N]

His shooting percentage will come back down to earth but you’ve gotta love what he’s doing right now. Haven’t caught every game this year but in the ones I’ve watched Raymond doesn’t look at all out of place defensively. He and Seider may very well end up 1 and 2 for the Calder at this rate.

Yeah, and also the old, overused but somewhat reliable: "You miss all the shots you don't take". He's leading his team in shots I just heard from the broadcasters, precision will follow in due time. 6 goals in 13 games, with game 13 still ongoing How good is Seider, really, by the way? Well, yeah, obviously 10 points in 12,5-ish games speak mountains, but I can't say I've been studying him in the D-zone much.. Huge defensive upside or where is it at?

 

[LarKing]

Yeah, and also the old, overused but somewhat reliable: "You miss all the shots you don't take". He's leading his team in shots I just heard from the broadcasters, precision will follow in due time. 6 goals in 13 games, with game 13 still ongoing How good is Seider, really, by the way? Well, yeah, obviously 10 points in 12,5-ish games speak mountains, but I can't say I've been studying him in the D-zone much.. Huge defensive upside or where is it at?

From what I’ve seen he’s been very impressive for a rookie. He has the occasional mistake but what dman doesn’t. I think as he learns more and more what he can get away with and what he can’t he’s going to be a monster in the D-zone.

 

[L30N]

From what I’ve seen he’s been very impressive for a rookie. He has the occasional mistake but what dman doesn’t. I think as he learns more and more what he can get away with and what he can’t he’s going to be a monster in the D-zone.

Big body, how's his physical game? He'll be a force to be reckoned with, barring any soft tendencies or shy-from-fightiness

 

[L30N]

Ray-Luc Le Monde (French version)
during those early runt-years.

Blonde 'fro not taking any prisoners.

 

[Lays]

Three times as many points as Lafreniere and Kakko, combined.