London Knights 2023-24 Season Thread (Part One)

[Knights Watcher]

That is exactly why I think it makes sense for Peterborough, I think he would fit in well here and could turn things around. We do have a deep lineup but Copeland is a 2005 and we could potentially lose three forwards by the deadline or before (Dubois, Lockhart, Beck), while not mentioning 2004 Quinn Binnie who I believe is easily replaceable. I think this a great opportunity for the Petes to take with Copeland.

Again, my question is...has Copeland actually been waived by London or is this all pure speculation?

 

[LDN]

Again, my question is...has Copeland actually been waived by London or is this all pure speculation?

Still on the roster it’s all speculation

 

[Knightsfan90]

Copeland is still with the team for now.
Let's all move on from this as now we have gone past healthy criticism we talking about a kids career let's get back to positive discussion

Sting just traded Gaudreau for peanuts and to Erie not the spirit weird. imo I still think we have the better goalie

 

[Section5Petes]

Copeland is still with the team for now.
Let's all move on from this as now we have gone past healthy criticism we talking about a kids career let's get back to positive discussion

Sting just traded Gaudreau for peanuts and to Erie not the spirit weird. imo I still think we have the better goalie

You 100% no questions asked got the better goalie

 

[Ferda11]

Sting just traded Gaudreau for peanuts and to Erie not the spirit weird. imo I still think we have the better goalie

Peanuts? Seca turned the below...

"117 regular season starts for the Sting, recording 54 wins, 3 shutouts, a save percentage of .890 and a goals against average of 3.60"

Into a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th. I'd say that's quite a bit more than peanuts based off the above stat!

 

[rve24]

Peanuts? Seca turned the below...

"117 regular season starts for the Sting, recording 54 wins, 3 shutouts, a save percentage of .890 and a goals against average of 3.60"

Into a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th. I'd say that's quite a bit more than peanuts based off the above stat!

Good return for an OA G for sure, especially when you have a solid non OA to carry the ball.

 

[Knightsfan90]

Peanuts? Seca turned the below...

"117 regular season starts for the Sting, recording 54 wins, 3 shutouts, a save percentage of .890 and a goals against average of 3.60"

Into a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th. I'd say that's quite a bit more than peanuts based off the above stat!

See what Simpson went for? I rest my case lol

 

[LDN]

Copeland is still with the team for now.
Let's all move on from this as now we have gone past healthy criticism we talking about a kids career let's get back to positive discussion

Sting just traded Gaudreau for peanuts and to Erie not the spirit weird. imo I still think we have the better goalie

Peanuts!?! What lol pretty sure some high picks were moved for him

See what Simpson went for? I rest my case lol

I mean you’d have to add about 3 2nds to that to make it work for PBO

 

[Knightsfan90]

This will never happen as hunters love McKinnon but Trade with the Petes could look like



McKinnon and Nicholl +picks



To Petes for



Beck and Lockhart



Would be a good starting point

 

[rve24]

Mark will make a move if value is there. But look at past seasns.....
Start with last year.
They added. Halt right before the season this year ( Diaco early last year) as there was a definite hole to fill.
Then let the dust settle and added 2Fs at the deadline after evaluating their team needs,
Move out redundant but OHL quality depth players for picks thru the year when teams pay out,
And then measure cost vs benefit at deadline after you get a better feel where they and other teams have better ideas where they fit ( Wright/Harrison non addition vs. Winterton/ Humphrey as a cost/benefit for example)

And maybe just maybe all these deals people want yesterday......consider the other teams have to also be willing to move them now instead of waiting, grabbing some points, using their high end players to help show the youngins.....aaggghhh why bother
....maybe I'll buy a play station and join the daily trade wishes

And maybe just maybe there is value in a vet depth on a roster. McK>HB right now and it's not even close.

This will never happen as hunters love McKinnon but Trade with the Petes could look like



McKinnon and Nicholl +picks



To Petes for



Beck and Lockhart



Would be a good starting point

If that's your start your picks are going to include more 2nds then they have available right now.

 

[Section5Petes]

This will never happen as hunters love McKinnon but Trade with the Petes could look like



McKinnon and Nicholl +picks



To Petes for



Beck and Lockhart



Would be a good starting point

From a pure value/potential standpoint London is not the most ideal trading partner for the Petes as they do not have an '07 1st rounder to start with and are limited with 2nds. But the biggest difference is simply the quality of players that they can send back as well which would be at least two. The Greyhounds and Spirit can offer more enticing packages (SOO - Brown/Kostov/Virgilio/Evans), (SAG - Young/Glavin/Storch) on top of more picks if needed.

With that being said, the Knights still rank 3rd in the Owen Beck Trade Power Rankings:

 

[LDN]

From a pure value/potential standpoint London is not the most ideal trading partner for the Petes as they do not have an '07 1st rounder to start with and are limited with 2nds. But the biggest difference is simply the quality of players that they can send back as well which would be at least two. The Greyhounds and Spirit can offer more enticing packages (SOO - Brown/Kostov/Virgilio/Evans), (SAG - Young/Glavin/Storch) on top of more picks if needed.

With that being said, the Knights still rank 3rd in the Owen Beck Trade Power Rankings:

Not sure the Knights would want to part with a player like O’Reilly

 

[Starry Knight]

Those are some ambitious asks for a player that couldn't crest PPG as an 18 year old after being traded.

 

[LDN]

Those are some ambitious asks for a player that couldn't crest PPG as an 18 year old after being traded.

He hung around with the Habs last year, won the WJC and is likely the best two way forward in the O

 

[Section5Petes]

Not sure the Knights would want to part with a player like O’Reilly

I mean you gotta think an '07 or '06 1st is part of the ask and obviously the Knights don't have that. HOWEVER, beck to london is probably still very likely no matter what

 

[Starry Knight]

He hung around with the Habs last year, won the WJC and is likely the best two way forward in the O

He was called up on an emergency basis to the Habs and didn't contribute much at the WJC. He's at best a Foudy/Formenton, which is not a player that I trade the farm for. He doesn't have the offensive prowess to drive the play on his own line.

 

[Petes1987]

Mark will make a move if value is there. But look at past seasns.....
Start with last year.
They added. Halt right before the season this year ( Diaco early last year) as there was a definite hole to fill.
Then let the dust settle and added 2Fs at the deadline after evaluating their team needs,
Move out redundant but OHL quality depth players for picks thru the year when teams pay out,
And then measure cost vs benefit at deadline after you get a better feel where they and other teams have better ideas where they fit ( Wright/Harrison non addition vs. Winterton/ Humphrey as a cost/benefit for example)

And maybe just maybe all these deals people want yesterday......consider the other teams have to also be willing to move them now instead of waiting, grabbing some points, using their high end players to help show the youngins.....aaggghhh why bother
....maybe I'll buy a play station and join the daily trade wishes

And maybe just maybe there is value in a vet depth on a roster. McK>HB right now and it's not even close.



If that's your start your picks are going to include more 2nds then they have available right now.

The Petes are going to want more than that for both Owen Beck and Connor Lockhart. They will likely want a good 17 year old forward that is in their second year in the league and a good 18 year old forward plus a minimum of two, 2nds, three, 3rds and a 4th round draft picks.

 

[rve24]

The Petes are going to want more than that for both Owen Beck and Connor Lockhart. They will likely want a good 17 year old forward that is in their second year in the league and a good 18 year old forward plus a minimum of two, 2nds, three, 3rds and a 4th round draft picks.

Every year n situation is unique, but I'd agree it's more than a mid D, unproven 2nd yr F n couple picksxas suggested as a starting points.
Fans wants, and actually prices paid are sometimes less, sometimes more.
Fan bases collectively of all teams tend to over value their teams value ( players young/old n picks) in any potential deal buying or selling.

 

[dirty12]

Those are some ambitious asks for a player that couldn't crest PPG as an 18 year old after being traded.

Drop in points is on the coach/team game plan. I think Beck, Othman, Hayes, White all saw significant drops while Lardis & Panwar exploded in Hamilton.

Those are certainly ambitious asks though.

 

[Petes1987]

Drop in points is on the coach/team game plan. I think Beck, Othman, Hayes, White all saw significant drops while Lardis & Panwar exploded in Hamilton.

Those are certainly ambitious asks though.

In Peterborough Owen Beck was used in a defensive role. He was a key part of the Petes OHL Championship. His efficiently in winning face offs in key situations was instrumental to Peterborough’s success. He is the best two way player in the OHL this season. A players value is not based solely on his offensive ability. It is not unreasonable for the Petes to expect to get a 17 year old second year player plus two, 2nds and two, 3rds and a 4th for him. The 18 old player and the 3rd would be for Connor Lockhart.

 

[Buttsy]

Peanuts? Seca turned the below...

"117 regular season starts for the Sting, recording 54 wins, 3 shutouts, a save percentage of .890 and a goals against average of 3.60"

Into a 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th. I'd say that's quite a bit more than peanuts based off the above stat!

Correct if I wrong but to get the 5th Sarnia gave up a 7th as well? Regardless I'm totally with you and if I'm the Pete's I gotta be wondering if what we got for Michael Simpson was really the best available? No disrespect but Simpson certainly in my mind was a much safer option then getting a bit of a wildcard in Monsieur Benny? Cheers well done to the Sting GM. Seems to be establishing himself quickly as not just a "Go All In" GM!

 

[tjziel]

Now that Easton Cowan is back, let’s see how the secondary scoring comes together

 

[Ringing Iron]

From a pure value/potential standpoint London is not the most ideal trading partner for the Petes as they do not have an '07 1st rounder to start with and are limited with 2nds. But the biggest difference is simply the quality of players that they can send back as well which would be at least two. The Greyhounds and Spirit can offer more enticing packages (SOO - Brown/Kostov/Virgilio/Evans), (SAG - Young/Glavin/Storch) on top of more picks if needed.

With that being said, the Knights still rank 3rd in the Owen Beck Trade Power Rankings:

 

[Ferda11]

Correct if I wrong but to get the 5th Sarnia gave up a 7th as well? Regardless I'm totally with you and if I'm the Pete's I gotta be wondering if what we got for Michael Simpson was really the best available? No disrespect but Simpson certainly in my mind was a much safer option then getting a bit of a wildcard in Monsieur Benny? Cheers well done to the Sting GM. Seems to be establishing himself quickly as not just a "Go All In" GM!

You are correct - Sting didn't mention the 7th in their press release for some reason.

 

[Section5Petes]

All I am saying is that yes on the surface the Knights don't appear to have the most flashy names available, however, London is London and teams still value their players high simply because of where they are coming from. Still have a feeling Beck will end up being a Knight