London Knights 2023-24 Season Thread (Part 5)

[HockeyPops]

That's correct. Good goal. The attacking player shot the puck and the net was purposely knocked off.

But it was the second attacking player, the one without the puck.

The imminent scoring opportunity exists until the puck is cleared. Either to the corner, the half wall, out of the zone, etc. A rebound is still an imminent scoring opportunity.

 

[RangerNation]

But it was the second attacking player, the one without the puck.

The imminent scoring opportunity exists until the puck is cleared. Either to the corner, the half wall, out of the zone, etc. A rebound is still an imminent scoring opportunity.

I would agree, but this is where the rule book lacks clarity, and could easily be contested. That being said, the day I see the OHL rule book go to court, I will be watching a different sport.

 

[GoKnightsGo44]

It's just semantics. "Attacking Players" is used 9 times in the OHL rule book. "Attacking Player" 133 times. Presumably in this case it's because you can't have two imminent scoring chances by two different players at exactly the same time. Just like this case, two players did have an imminent scoring chance, at two different times, one after the other while the defending team didn't gain control of the puck.

Not unlike this

This clearly demonstrates the president, good goal…. I just never saw anything like this before either… weird

 

[RangerNation]

This clearly demonstrates the president, good goal…. I just never saw anything like this before either… weird

This is my last post on this, because in the end it wasn't the GWG so whatever..

In the video, only Gio has an imminent scoring chance WITH the net off. Marner had a chance, but the net was still on. If Gio missed, and then Marner got the puck and scored, does the rule book say that counts? That's the issue I am seeing here. Again, Bruz scored immediately after so it was tied. Not a big deal.

 

[TheOrangePylon]

Does anyone have a video of the O'Reilly hit? I only saw it live and wondering if it looked bad on video or not? Live I didn't think it was worthy of a 5, but I'd like to see a video to make a better judgement.

Also, what is the buy back on suspensions for playoffs, if he were suspended?

 

[Otto]

Does anyone have a video of the O'Reilly hit? I only saw it live and wondering if it looked bad on video or not? Live I didn't think it was worthy of a 5, but I'd like to see a video to make a better judgement.

Also, what is the buy back on suspensions for playoffs, if he were suspended?

My understanding is that buy backs can only be done if the suspension is automatic. Anything reviewed cannot be bought back.

 

[nelli27]

Then if it were only one player making the play you would complain.


I thought it was common knowledge l. That's why the offensive zone is called the "attack zone"

Thanks for the clarification. It's always good to get multiple perspectives. At least you took the time to explain things.
That rule is not something I'm very familiar with, but tried to make sense of it.

 

[ohloutsider]

My understanding is that buy backs can only be done if the suspension is automatic. Anything reviewed cannot be bought back.

I also thought you could not buy a suspension back if it involved an injury to a player. But I have no real evidence on this other than what my old brain remembered from past playoffs.

 

[sbpointer]

Does anyone have a video of the O'Reilly hit? I only saw it live and wondering if it looked bad on video or not? Live I didn't think it was worthy of a 5, but I'd like to see a video to make a better judgement.

Also, what is the buy back on suspensions for playoffs, if he were suspended?

Watched it on TV with the benefit of many replays. Boarding for sure. I personally thought the major was excessive but not a surprise considering its the OHL we are talking about. I think a suspension would not be justified but that never stopped them before...

 

[Otto]

I don't think it's suspendable, unless it's been announced that Savard is out. Dangerous? Yup. Maybe 1-2 games in the regular season, but given that the league goes lighter in the playoffs I'm not expecting anything as I don't believe O'Reilly is a repeat offender.

 

[TheOrangePylon]

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I don't think it's suspendable, unless it's been announced that Savard is out. Dangerous? Yup. Maybe 1-2 games in the regular season, but given that the league goes lighter in the playoffs I'm not expecting anything as I don't believe O'Reilly is a repeat offender.

Thanks Otto!
Live, I didn't realize the ranger player went into the boards so hard. From what I can see, no head contact and I think it is more should to shoulder then from behind, but definitely borderline. So I would agree, I think the boarding call was the right call and no suspension necessary.

 

[dirty12]

It looks worse than the Namestnikov and Arnsby hits to me.

 

[HockeyPops]

Looks pretty bad

 

[BobHockey]

Good game last night. I thought the Knights were a bit rusty in the first and a bit sleepy in the second but seemd to have gotten their legs under them in the third. After Bonk's goal I thought the Knight's played a highly effective shut down game. Should be a good series. The number of times the Knight's D was beat to the outside, especially early on, was a bit concerning.

 

[Billyjack]

"Attacking Player" doesn't refer to a player with the puck. It refers to all players on the offensive in the Attacking zone.

you can't have it both ways, the wrap around was the attempt, you don't get 2 attempts on one play thus no goal

 

[Otto]

you can't have it both ways, the wrap around was the attempt, you don't get 2 attempts on one play thus no goal

Says who? It was all one play

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[dmead]

you can't have it both ways, the wrap around was the attempt, you don't get 2 attempts on one play thus no goal

Sounds rather arbitrary. Perhaps the wrap around was merely an attempt to present the puck to a better positioned team mate.

We all see things through subjective filters.

Doesn't matter at this point, we've used up far too many electrons on this subject.

 

[EvenSteven]

Looks pretty bad

Didn’t help that Savard’s face went into the glass.

 

[Fastpace]

This clearly demonstrates the president, good goal…. I just never saw anything like this before either… weird

At first glance you'd think of a similar situation in Toronto, but it's not. Two London Players touched the puck after the net was already dislodged, in Toronto only one player touched the puck after the net was dislodged, when Marner last touched the puck the net was still intact. In my humble opinion, in Toronto we have a good goal, in London, I'm having problem with the refs calling it a good goal. I hate replays, for or against right or wrong, if the refs don't see it, mistake or not, don't call it.

The game is played live by humans and is also watched and refereed live by humans, not by cameras and tablets, even Knights were surprise with the overturned call.

Then again I am an old guy, it's hard to change old habits

 

[Fergus31]

Five (or six) of the top 10 talents available for the draft have committed elsewhere. Not good.

 

[nelli27]

I stand corrected.

 

[Geff]

I stand corrected.

Wow. Now this will add fuel to the “Dale and the Knights have Branch in their pocket” narrative! Oh boy. Now let’s see what happens with O’Rielly. I noticed all night in the corner the hit took place (and not saying my opinion on it) the Ranger D were regularly in vulnerable positions whenever the Knights were fore checking. Dangerous playing.

 

[Fastpace]

I do like these kids scouting reports;


RC PETERBOROUGH PETESCOLIN FITZGERALD
HT: 6.01.25 WT: 174 APRIL 1/2008
GP G A PTS PIM
35 39 25 64 32
SCOUTING REPORT: Colin is a big two-way centre that is very effective
and hard to play against in all three zones. He is a powerful skater that
gets up to top speed quickly and will use his speed on the forecheck and
off the rush to create chances. He possesses a very good shot with a quick
release. He has become more of a consistent factor for his team over the
second half of the season and is now driving the offence for Peterborough.
He is a threat whenever he is on the ice, his compete and size make him
very hard to handle. Colin had an exceptional showing at this year’s OHL
Cup.

LC BARRIE JR. COLTSALEX MCLEAN
HT: 5.09 WT: 162 AUGUST 8/2008
GP G A PTS PIM
33 30 47 77 14
SCOUTING REPORT: Alex is an elite centre that has the skill to make
everyone around him better. He is a dynamic skater that has the ability to
change gears in mid-stride, he will challenge anyone with the puck on his
stick. He sees the ice extremely well and is very unselfish in his play, but
also understands when he needs to shoot the puck or try and make a one
on one play. He is a very responsible player and doesn’t cheat to create
offence, uses his speed and quickness to defend down low. He played big
role in Barrie’s OMHA championship title.

ERIC FROSSARD
HT: 6.04.5 WT: 187 JANUARY 12/2008
GP G A PTS PIM
30 5 18 23 22
SCOUTING REPORT: Eric is a versatile puck-moving defenceman that
has a presence when he is on ice. At almost 6-foot-5, he has very good
mobility and edge control for a player of his stature. He loves to rush the
puck up the ice and has deceiving speed and quickness. He has very good
puck skills and isn’t afraid to challenge off the rush with a one on one
move. Defensively he uses his reach and stick to defend, but he isn’t over-
ly physical. Eric understands the game well, shows very good composure
with the puck, and doesn’t throw it away very often. He has shown great
improvement in his game since the start of the season.


Anyone of these players in the first round will do

 

[KRangersRookie]

Five (or six) of the top 10 talents available for the draft have committed elsewhere. Not good.

I'm not entirely surprised I look at some of the US college teams and what they can ice with top end NHL 1st rounders especially on D I imagine that's a lot better for a players development playing against that night in and night vs the OHL that's a little more inconsistent. I guess the alternative is play against London a bunch as you guys are the OHL development power house and seem to be the only team that can consistently pump out high NHL 1st rounders. If you want to be the best you play with the best and every year the NHL Draft is making it more and more clear the OHL as a whole may no longer be that.

 

[Fastpace]

I stand corrected.

That's hockey politic nell27
I wouldn't have expected the league to come right out publicly embarrassing their own refs. They needed to show a reason for changing the rule on that Barrie/Oshawa incident, and this London goal could not have come at a better moment. They didn't even say their refs were wrong in Oshawa, they just changed the ruling, told everyone to move on.