Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

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There were also a lot of extremely slow players who McDavid would annihilate on a far greater scale than the Bure's, Selanne's, Mogilny's were easily able to do.

There were slow players cause they didn't need to skate, the game was slow, you had guys on you all the time. Hooking was legal. The best players were shadowed like crazy. There was barbires at the center of the ice. Bure is a great example of what McDavid could be in those times. But if he played in the east, I don't know man. I think he would be incredibly hooked and held and then you have a Scott Stevens head hunting. Which was also legal at the time. McDavid can skate but I don't know if he would have the physcial strenght to endure it all like Mario and Jagr and Forsberg did. Because he would be a big target. The guy to counter.

We have to remember someone like McDavid was created because of the environment he was performing in. He came at a time when clutch and grab did not exist anymore and minor hockey generated a ton of players with great speed. Same as Lindros was created as the perfect machine to counter the clutch and grab.
 

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There were slow players cause they didn't need to skate, the game was slow, you had guys on you all the time. Hooking was legal. The best players were shadowed like crazy. There was barbires at the center of the ice. Bure is a great example of what McDavid could be in those times. But if he played in the east, I don't know man. I think he would be incredibly hooked and held and then you have a Scott Stevens head hunting. Which was also legal at the time. McDavid can skate but I don't know if he would have the physcial strenght to endure it all like Mario and Jagr and Forsberg did. Because he would be a big target. The guy to counter.

We have to remember someone like McDavid was created because of the environment he was performing in. He came at a time when clutch and grab did not exist anymore and minor hockey generated a ton of players with great speed. Same as Lindros was created as the perfect machine to counter the clutch and grab.

McDavid is much better than any of Bure, Selanne or Mogilny and he is bigger as well. McDavid is a fierce competitor with both good size and strength and acting like he is a cup cake is disingenuous. Guys like Stevens who made a career of murdering slower opponents would be pylons for Connor.

You can't say that McDavid is a product of his environment when players are bigger and stronger than they have ever been.

McDavid would get roughed up in those years. Not sure he'd have a full season, actually...

If Bure, Selanne and Mogilny made it through a bigger, faster McDavid most certainly makes it through as well
 
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Perhaps, but as I have gotten older, old sports heroes, like old girlfriends, look better with the passage of time.

The players of the current era are bigger, faster, and better overall athletes than those of the 70's and 80s. The game has also changed. Back when I first started to watch hockey, Canadian born players made up 95% of all NHL players. Most pundits and fans mockingly sneered at players from other countries who audaciously pretended that they could play our national game. Who of my generation can forget the "Chicken Swede' moniker that many called the first Swedish players that ventured into the NHL. Then came the Summit Series and many Canadian fans and sport writers learned the hard way that perhaps Canada wasn't the only place in the world that produced elite level hockey players. These 'other' players never had a chance.

The game in the 1990s and this century, is a global game where Canadian dominance is inexorably shrinking. Not only is the percentage of Canadian players in the NHL shrinking but many of the current and up and coming stars in the league are non-Canadian. One only has to review the rosters of each team and see the growing preponderance of non- Canadian players who have become core players for those teams. Even Montreal's most exciting current player, Caufield is American. Several of the Canadiens most promising players prospects are non-Canadian: Hutson, Farrell, Struble, Slafkovsky, Mesar, etc. Montreal is no different that all other teams.

The availability and presence of this flood of additional talent has made the game better and faster than the game and environment that the heroes of our past played in. Just watch some of the games from the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s and you will come away with the simple question: why is the level of play so slow? The answer is simple: because it is. Not to hurt too may readers' feelings, many of their and their fathers' favorite players wouldn't even be drafted to day. And this is an observation from a writer whose favorite player was and will always be the great Jean Beliveau. The fact that I believe he wouldn't be as great against the stronger competition he would face today doesn't lessen my admiration for 'my hero.' I have had the opportunity to debate my view of the comparative strengths of players over the decades/era many times. Mostly with people of my age, and who are staunch and knowledgeable Canadiens fans. As an illustrative/argumentative tool, I always ask this simple question: How would Montreal's Stanley Cup winning defensive corps of the mid to late 1960s (J. C.. Tremblay, Terry Harper, Ted Harris, Larry Hillman, Jacques Laperriere, Jim Roberts, Noel PicardJean Guy Talbot, Serge Savard and Guy Lapointe) fare against the likes of McDavid, Mackinnon, etc. today? Most acknowledge that the result would be embarrassing.

There is little doubt that the best few players of the 1950s-1980s players could play and flourish in the current game. But the fact remains that most players of that era couldn't. And Lemieux, Orr and the other great heroes of the past played against the most who couldn't play today. They were playing in a lesser talent pool, which makes McDavid's current level of domination, all the more impressive. When Orr was interviewed a few years ago and was asked if he was a faster skater than McDavid, Orr only smiled and gave the interviewer a wry look that said it all: Are you kidding me?
So? McDavid is as good as it gets? From this point on?
 

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McDavid is much better than any of Bure, Selanne or Mogilny and he is bigger as well. McDavid is a fierce competitor with both good size and strength and acting like he is a cup cake is disingenuous. Guys like Stevens who made a career of murdering slower opponents would be pylons for Connor.

You can't say that McDavid is a product of his environment when players are bigger and stronger than they have ever been.



If Bure, Selanne and Mogilny made it through a bigger, faster McDavid most certainly makes it through as well

Players have better conditioning, better training, I don't know about the rest. Maybe I'm wrong but from what I see is that the league seems much smaller than it was in the 90s, there's a lot of small speedy players that could never have performed in the 90s. McDavid is strong and competitive but all I'm saying is that he would have had a more difficult times than now. Remember it was the far west, you could do anything to players. Mario would often go at the net with a player literally on his back. You cannot even really shadow guys properly nowadays. McDavid has all that freedom in the World right now. The game has changed so many things so that players would not be bogged down by anything.
 
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Wow I thought there was news or thoughts about Mailloux on the Mailloux thread. I was wrong.
Getting back on track, did you know Mailloux was capable of a triple digit MPH slapper? I knew he had a great shot but not at such level. Nice to have a player in the org. owning that type of weapon even though modern D tend to go with quick wristers.
 

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Players have better conditioning, better training, I don't know about the rest. Maybe I'm wrong but from what I see is that the league seems much smaller than it was in the 90s, there's a lot of small speedy players that could never have performed in the 90s. McDavid is strong and competitive but all I'm saying is that he would have had a more difficult times than now. Remember it was the far west, you could do anything to players. Mario would often go at the net with a player literally on his back. You cannot even really shadow guys properly nowadays. McDavid has all that freedom in the World right now. The game has changed so many things so that players would not be bogged down by anything.
Hell, Mike McPhee once scored a highlight reel goal with three opponents draped all over him on his way to the opposing net!
 
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Getting back on track, did you know Mailloux was capable of a triple digit MPH slapper? I knew he had a great shot but not at such level. Nice to have a player in the org. owning that type of weapon even though modern D tend to go with quick wristers.
I know there is a cloud hanging over him. He made a mistake as a 17 year old. Can he ever shake that off?
Such an intriguing prospect.
 

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I know there is a cloud hanging over him. He made a mistake as a 17 year old. Can he ever shake that off?
Such an intriguing prospect.
What happened to “The only hockey talk thread” in the title? ;)
 
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Getting back on track, did you know Mailloux was capable of a triple digit MPH slapper? I knew he had a great shot but not at such level. Nice to have a player in the org. owning that type of weapon even though modern D tend to go with quick wristers.
Now, if he could only hit the net on a consistent basis he’d have 40 goals this season and not 24. In a few years Mailloux will be giving the Canadiens a triple weapon from the point (1) an elite shot(2) a threatening decoy who’s mere presence will open up the ice for his teammates and (3) a creative passer who can see and hit open teammates when teams overplay him in order to take away his shot.

He’s not being traded.
 

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Now, if he could only hit the net on a consistent basis he’d have 40 goals this season and not 24. In a few years Mailloux will be giving the Canadiens a triple weapon from the point (1) an elite shot(2) a threatening decoy who’s mere presence will open up the ice for his teammates and (3) a creative passer who can see and hit open teammates when teams overplay him in order to take away his shot.

He’s not being traded.
Get that man Adam Nicholased pronto, I say!
 

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I know but it is difficult not to think of all aspects of Mailloux when discussing him. I am a huge fan and I think his upside is off the charts.

Lets stick to hockey talk. 🤣
All the Buttman talk was just pure PR. Logan will make the NHL as soon as he's ready without any issues.
 
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I know but it is difficult not to think of all aspects of Mailloux when discussing him. I am a huge fan and I think his upside is off the charts.

Lets stick to hockey talk. 🤣
I’ve managed to steer clear as there has been overkill and too many fans (not you) improvising themselves as criminologists, trauma specialists and holier than thou admonishers pontificating from a pulpit.

Where do you see him next year? Is he returning to his junior team? What would serve his development best?
 
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I’ve managed to steer clear as there has been overkill and too many fans (not you) improvising themselves as criminologists, trauma specialists and holier than thou admonishers pontificating from a pulpit.

Where do you see him next year? Is he returning to his junior team? What would serve his development best?
He is too good for juniors. I see him in Laval. He is big enough, skilled enough to play with AHLers easily.

All the Buttman talk was just pure PR. Logan will make the NHL as soon as he's ready without any issues.
💯 %. He was asked around the same time of the Mitch Miller fiasco. Logan has done everything asked of him and has proven himself worthy of a second chance.
 

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I’ve managed to steer clear as there has been overkill and too many fans (not you) improvising themselves as criminologists, trauma specialists and holier than thou admonishers pontificating from a pulpit.

Where do you see him next year? Is he returning to his junior team? What would serve his development best?
Laval. There's no way he'll be back in the CHL even though he missed a lot of time. Others from his draft year have also missed lots to time and he'll just be too strong next as an over-ager.
 

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I’ve managed to steer clear as there has been overkill and too many fans (not you) improvising themselves as criminologists, trauma specialists and holier than thou admonishers pontificating from a pulpit.

Where do you see him next year? Is he returning to his junior team? What would serve his development best?
I hope he can play in Laval.......but Chester would be the best guy to ask.
 
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