Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[Belial]

If this reflects Timmins’ logic and critical thinking skills then I am not surprised.

Unfortunately Mallioux was not a “home run” attempt pick, it was a bad pick for hockey reasons as much as non-hockey reasons.

That's not a fact, that's still to be seen.

 

[ReHabs]

That's not a fact, that's still to be seen.

The pick has already been made, there is nothing left to be seen. You cannot always discuss when everything is finished and the dust settled; sometimes analysis requires a judgement with an incomplete or immediately available set of facts.

The fact was he had injury troubles, off-ice troubles, a looming suspension, and he formally and publicly requested not to be drafted. The fact is the Habs did not communicate with him and his agent their intention to draft him. The fact is the Habs were not prepared or ill-prepared to justify their draft pick (ie they lacked conviction for the pick; they hadn’t thought it through). The fact is the people who made the pick were all fired within months of the draft.

With these facts we can conclude to a reasonable degree of certainty that it was a bad pick.

Nothing that has happened since then has contributed to change this conclusion.

 

[Belial]

The pick has already been made, there is nothing left to be seen. You cannot always discuss when everything is finished and the dust settled; sometimes analysis requires a judgement with an incomplete or immediately available set of facts.

The fact was he had injury troubles, off-ice troubles, a looming suspension, and he formally and publicly requested not to be drafted. The fact is the Habs did not communicate with him and his agent their intention to draft him. The fact is the Habs were not prepared or ill-prepared to justify their draft pick (ie they lacked conviction for the pick; they hadn’t thought it through). The fact is the people who made the pick were all fired within months of the draft.

With these facts we can conclude to a reasonable degree of certainty that it was a bad pick.

Nothing that has happened since then has contributed to change this conclusion.

The pick has already been made, there is nothing left to be seen!!!

Is this a joke!? What the hell am I even reading!?

So you ExpatHabs know the future or something?

Share some info with us peasants, please...

 

[BLONG7]

If this reflects Timmins’ logic and critical thinking skills then I am not surprised.

Unfortunately Mallioux was not a “home run” attempt pick, it was a bad pick for hockey reasons as much as non-hockey reasons.

I did not like the pick at all when it went down...................the one place he would not be able to live it down so to speak, would be Montreal..........................now that being said, I am all for the redemption, prove em wrong scenario at this point.
The kid could be a keeper, or he could have a great year in Jr and be traded............he is an asset no matter how we look at it.

I do think it was a mistake at the time...................but now, am more let's see this through, and who knows what the HuGo tandem has in mind.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

The pick has already been made, there is nothing left to be seen. You cannot always discuss when everything is finished and the dust settled; sometimes analysis requires a judgement with an incomplete or immediately available set of facts.

The fact was he had injury troubles, off-ice troubles, a looming suspension, and he formally and publicly requested not to be drafted. The fact is the Habs did not communicate with him and his agent their intention to draft him. The fact is the Habs were not prepared or ill-prepared to justify their draft pick (ie they lacked conviction for the pick; they hadn’t thought it through). The fact is the people who made the pick were all fired within months of the draft.

With these facts we can conclude to a reasonable degree of certainty that it was a bad pick.

Nothing that has happened since then has contributed to change this conclusion.

I agree with your premise here, I disagree on Maillioux. The kid missed a ton of time, but the kid has skill for days. I think he makes it and does so easily.

 

[ReHabs]

The pick has already been made, there is nothing left to be seen!!!

Is this a joke!? What the hell am I even reading!?

So you ExpatHabs know the future or something?

Share some info with us peasants, please...

The pick was bad, indefensible even. If the player turns out better than the pick that’ll be a credit to the player and good fortune. Doesn’t change the fact the pick was a bad choice.

 

[NewEraGM]

In hindsight, should have just picked Zellweger and been done with it….alas.

Hope Logan can play well this season and injury-free.

 

[WinterLion]

This is from Bobby Macs 2021 final draft rankings:

This is, of course, not a normal situation, but the process whereby teams rank and list a player they have no interest in actually drafting is not at all unusual. That is why Mailloux’s name still appears on the list. Of the 10 scouts surveyed by TSN, four had Mailloux in their first round, including one in the top 15. Five other scouts had him rated in the second round and one in the third round.

Power pulls away from crowded draft field - TSN.ca

This year’s NHL draft class is showing signs of major unpredictability, but the Michigan defenceman cemented his status as hockey’s top prospect with a strong performance at the IIHF World Championship, Bob McKenzie writes.

www.tsn.ca

 

[Whitesnake]

I rather have Hutson than Zellwegger.

Selecting Zellwegger in 2021 probably means no Hutson this year.

Now we have Mailloux and Hutson.

Sorry, didn't know there was a limit to talented players. Sorry, it makes no sense. You pick the BPA. And if in the end both guys make it and are top 4 players and you feel that they are too small to both be in your lineup, you trade them. And you get a need.

 

[Whitesnake]

This is from Bobby Macs 2021 final draft rankings:

This is, of course, not a normal situation, but the process whereby teams rank and list a player they have no interest in actually drafting is not at all unusual. That is why Mailloux’s name still appears on the list. Of the 10 scouts surveyed by TSN, four had Mailloux in their first round, including one in the top 15. Five other scouts had him rated in the second round and one in the third round.

Power pulls away from crowded draft field - TSN.ca

This year’s NHL draft class is showing signs of major unpredictability, but the Michigan defenceman cemented his status as hockey’s top prospect with a strong performance at the IIHF World Championship, Bob McKenzie writes.

www.tsn.ca

4 out of 10 in the 1st round. Mean 6 out of 10 out of it. Mailloux was not a consensus 1st rounder. NOBODY would have cried over not picking him if he would have development into a top 4. NOBODY. I would have been told by Timmins fans that it was IMPOSSIBLE in the Montreal context to pick a guy like that. Would have been told that he was picked in the 2nd round 'cause with him retiring from the draft, it was insanely IMPOSSIBLE that a team uses the show that is the 1st round to select him. And with us picking 63 and 64, we would have been told that he left earlier in the 2nd round, we then would not have had the chance to pick him our 2 picks being too late in the 2nd round.

And THIS TIME, they would have been right.

 

[Whitesnake]

Timmins was criticized for years that he's always going the safe route with his picks.

They swung for the fences with this Mailloux pick and here we are.

Fences? A big guy playing D that skates well? Really? How about Raty? How's that not fences? A talented guy pencilled to go way earlier that completely fell off the map? What about Zellweger? A smaller D? How about Morrow? A raw D that could have gone either way? How about Stankhoven? Why can't he be fences? Chibrikov? Russia.

Tell me how he is more fences than any of those guys? The huge development years are right now. And the pressure that is Montreal made the team NOT invite Mailloux to the regular development and rookie camps based of outside stuff than hockey. Injury has NOTHING to do with being the problem with the pick. But injuries are just the karma associated with it...

 

[WinterLion]

4 out of 10 in the 1st round. Mean 6 out of 10 out of it. Mailloux was not a consensus 1st rounder. NOBODY would have cried over not picking him if he would have development into a top 4. NOBODY. I would have been told by Timmins fans that it was IMPOSSIBLE in the Montreal context to pick a guy like that. Would have been told that he was picked in the 2nd round 'cause with him retiring from the draft, it was insanely IMPOSSIBLE that a team uses the show that is the 1st round to select him. And with us picking 63 and 64, we would have been told that he left earlier in the 2nd round, we then would not have had the chance to pick him our 2 picks being too late in the 2nd round.

And THIS TIME, they would have been right.

Yeah maybe... I don't think it's a big deal. He went about where he was supposed to go, more or less. Obviously we would like to have Stankoven now.. but we'll see how that works out.

I really liked how he played when he was healthy, but this injury is a big setback... let's hop that this time next year we are happy with where we selected him.

 

[Whitesnake]

Yeah maybe... I don't think it's a big deal. He went about where he was supposed to go, more or less. Obviously we would like to have Stankoven now.. but we'll see how that works out.

I really liked how he played when he was healthy, but this injury is a big setback... let's hop that this time next year we are happy with where we selected him.

Mailloux isn't a bust. He's a fine player. But we took the hardest route ever in getting a prospect as if the guy was a top 10 player that just fell because of what happened. It's not true.

 

[cphabs]

I love watching SEAL training videos on YouTube…..constantly encouraging you to quit on your brothers and ring that bell….I always wished to have that opportunity, always thought i had the mental toughness to go through that grind!!

I was a crab lol

30 foot seas…??

That’s insane man, you got some balls putting it all on the line to save people you don’t even know.

You sir have my full respect!!

I’ll tell the story sometime and thank you!

 

[Runner77]

Mailloux isn't a bust. He's a fine player. But we took the hardest route ever in getting a prospect as if the guy was a top 10 player that just fell because of what happened. It's not true.

Some of it was exacerbated by a freak shoulder injury but it added to an already significant total of missed development time.

 

[Whitesnake]

Yeah maybe... I don't think it's a big deal. He went about where he was supposed to go, more or less. Obviously we would like to have Stankoven now.. but we'll see how that works out.

I really liked how he played when he was healthy, but this injury is a big setback... let's hop that this time next year we are happy with where we selected him.

It's not about Now. It was about Then. Who wanted Mailloux with our pick then? People wanted Raty, Zellwegger, Knies, Morrow, Buium, Pinella. The only people who will play the hindsight game with that pick are people asking us what we think of Mailloux now if he does well....

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I was a crab lol


I’ll tell the story sometime and thank you!

It's not about Now. It was about Then. Who wanted Mailloux with our pick then? People wanted Raty, Zellwegger, Knies, Morrow, Buium, Pinella. The only people who will play the hindsight game with that pick are people asking us what we think of Mailloux now if he does well....

TBH I didn’t know much about Maillioux at the time of his selection other than his off ice stuff and I thought it was a mistake to pick him at the time, but after watching a lot of video on the kid post draft I don’t have a problem with it, he’s a high end talent.

I think the incident was overblowned tbh. Yeah he shouldn’t have disrespected the female and I’m not condoning the behaviour, but this is a teenage boy. If you don’t think this is happening at every school in the country you are naive. Hockey Canada Orchestrated a coverup for a bunch of rapists while Maillioux gets raked over the coals for making a very poor, immature, bad decision for sure, but this doesn’t make him a monster. It makes him a young boy with some growing up to do.

 

[Runner77]

TBH I didn’t know much about Maillioux at the time of his selection other than his off ice stuff and I thought it was a mistake to pick him at the time, but after watching a lot of video on the kid post draft I don’t have a problem with it, he’s a high end talent.

I think the incident was overblowned tbh. Yeah he shouldn’t have disrespected the female and I’m not condoning the behaviour, but this is a teenage boy. If you don’t think this is happening at every school in the country you are naive. Hockey Canada Orchestrated a coverup for a bunch of rapists while Maillioux gets raked over the coals for making a very poor, immature, bad decision for sure, but this doesn’t make him a monster. It makes him a young boy with some growing up to do.

We just can’t talk about this guy without going back to his transgression. Thread title is about wishful thinking, we keep falling into that gutter.

I’m more interested in your take from a hockey only perspective. The other stuff has been amply discussed elsewhere.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

We just can’t talk about this guy without going back to his transgression. Thread title is about wishful thinking, we keep falling into that gutter.

I’m more interested in your take from a hockey only perspective. The other stuff has been amply discussed elsewhere.

I’ve given my take on his game plenty of times. I don’t appreciate censorship so I’ll continue to talk about what I want to talk about.

 

[Runner77]

I’ve given my take on his game plenty of times. I don’t appreciate censorship so I’ll continue to talk about what I want to talk about.

What censorship? It’s a mod directive but hey, your call.

Anyone want to discuss crimes that Mailloux may or may not have committed at other junctures in his life?

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I liked the Mailloux pick. I think that the hysteria over his off-ice situation was overblown. Bad? Yes. Punishment? Definitely. Becoming a better person? Absolutely. Having the Prime Minister froth at the mouth over the pick is a little much, though.

As it pertains to him as a Hockey pick though, big defenseman with the alleged hardest shot in the world that skates like the wind? Yes please. Defense can be taught. All that other stuff, not so much.

 

[Xirik]

I liked the Mailloux pick. I think that the hysteria over his off-ice situation was overblown. Bad? Yes. Punishment? Definitely. Becoming a better person? Absolutely. Having the Prime Minister froth at the mouth over the pick is a little much, though.

As it pertains to him as a Hockey pick though, big defenseman with the alleged hardest shot in the world that skates like the wind? Yes please. Defense can be taught. All that other stuff, not so much.

Frothing? did the PM just send out a tweet?

 

[HabzSauce]

The pick was bad, indefensible even. If the player turns out better than the pick that’ll be a credit to the player and good fortune. Doesn’t change the fact the pick was a bad choice.

It is way too early to say it is without doubt a bad pick.

His "off ice issues" are way overblown in my opinion.

His skillset is what impresses me. I like what I see in him as a hockey player. I could care less about the optics.

Injuries are a legit concern though. He has lost lots of development because of it. Ultimately we need more time. Could be a great or bad pick depending on how it all unravels

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Frothing? did the PM just send out a tweet?

Trudeau says Canadiens' selection of Logan Mailloux shows 'lack of judgment'

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau says that as a lifelong Montreal Canadiens fan he's "deeply disappointed'' by the team's selection of Logan Mailloux in the NHL draft.

www.sportsnet.ca

Without getting political on here, because this board isn't the place for it, I don't think it's the job of a country's leader to use their bully pulpit and target an 18 year old kid. It's a bad look.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

What censorship? It’s a mod directive but hey, your call.

Anyone want to discuss crimes that Mailloux may or may not have committed at other junctures in his life?

We were talking about whether selecting him was a good idea. Based on his play it’s a fine selection. It’s hard to talk about whether the selection was correct while ignoring the elephant in the room.

Mod directed and crimes, wtf is wrong with you runner?

I liked the Mailloux pick. I think that the hysteria over his off-ice situation was overblown. Bad? Yes. Punishment? Definitely. Becoming a better person? Absolutely. Having the Prime Minister froth at the mouth over the pick is a little much, though.

As it pertains to him as a Hockey pick though, big defenseman with the alleged hardest shot in the world that skates like the wind? Yes please. Defense can be taught. All that other stuff, not so much.

Don’t talk about that here, it’s a mod directive.