OT: LOCAL COVID19 - PART IV... Seriously, local only

[mianjo]

What a tone-deaf response from Watson. The police resources haven't been making a difference, it's why citizens felt empowered to counter-protest. I swear, between the City Council infighting, the LRT boondoggle and now this, nobody's tanked their legacy more in recent years than Watson.

Was`nt there some report that said Crime in the downtown area was down by 90% since the truckers arrived

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Was`nt there some report that said Crime in the downtown area was down by 90% since the truckers arrived

Yes, but in the same way that it's easy to say case counts are down when you're not testing, it's also easy to say crime's down when you're not enforcing street crimes.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Yes, but in the same way that it's easy to say case counts are down when you're not testing, it's also easy to say crime's down when you're not enforcing street crimes.

9 out of 10 truckers prefer Jif over the leading peanut butter brand.

 

[NyQuil]

Yes, but in the same way that it's easy to say case counts are down when you're not testing, it's also easy to say crime's down when you're not enforcing street crimes.

 

[DaveMatthew]

What an incredible display of incompetence by all levels of government. There are existing laws in place that should have already ended this.

“We’re invoking the Emergencies Act because we chose to let crimes take place, while police watched, and did nothing for 3 weeks. Now we’ll set a dangerous standard for government over reach.”

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

everyone? I listen to TSN1200 everyday and they are 200 meters from the demonstration and nothing has happened there. We are from Ottawa. Almost no one I know has been impacted - they don’t like it but real impact just isn’t happening to 99.9% of the Ottawa population.

And when people who aren’t really bothering and you want to see their heads bashed in that’s the really worrying thing.

If you didn’t know we lived in a racist country before 2 weeks, here’s your wake up call. For those of us who know the actual underbelly of this country, this is our country on display. I don’t like it either; but I certainly don’t want anyone to get hurt just because I don’t like their politics

TSN 1200 doesn't know everything.

Someone I've known for over 20 years who lives downtown was assaulted by one of those convoy people a few days ago. Th police in the area have also had to escort a lot of residents to and from a few of the main bus terminals to their apartments to try and keep people safe.

Not only are these convoy people stupid, but they are pure COWARDS for bringing their kids to use as human shields.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

These protestors need to go. Its gotten carries away and has lasted far too long. The restrictions and mandates also need to end. Its sad that it has come to this point.

 

[Tuna99]

TSN 1200 doesn't know everything.

Someone I've known for over 20 years who lives downtown was assaulted by one of those convoy people a few days ago. Th police in the area have also had to escort a lot of residents to and from a few of the main bus terminals to their apartments to try and keep people safe.

Not only are these convoy people stupid, but they are pure COWARDS for bringing their kids to use as human shields.

Nice way for the kids to see downtown Ottawa and hear some live music, have a hot tub and brush up in the latest in mesh hats and camo jackets.

 

[Ice-Tray]

What an incredible display of incompetence by all levels of government. There are existing laws in place that should have already ended this.

“We’re invoking the Emergencies Act because we chose to let crimes take place, while police watched, and did nothing for 3 weeks. Now we’ll set a dangerous standard for government over reach.”

Not really, at all.

 

[Xspyrit]

Just put this song on repeat to end this :

Someone I've known for over 20 years who lives downtown was assaulted by one of those convoy people a few days ago. Th police in the area have also had to escort a lot of residents to and from a few of the main bus terminals to their apartments to try and keep people safe.

Not only are these convoy people stupid, but they are pure COWARDS for bringing their kids to use as human shields.

yes and this whole "freedom" thing annoys me a lot. I talked about WW and how it was a real fight for freedom. My family paid a heavy price to allow me to be free today. Mask/vaccine mandates to keep other people safe has nothing to do with freedom, it's a question of respecting others and valuing their life/health.

Instead of manifesting for this, why don't we manifest against what really affect people freedom? Murders, rapes, human trafficking, drugs/alcohol hell, all the hate/crimes that really destroy/hurt people? A mask or a vaccine are totally inoffensive, it does nothing else than help to prevent sickness.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Not really, at all.

Good to see this board's legal and human rights expert chime in to contradict a national, bipartisan organization that's been involved in civil liberties work since 1964. Someone who doesn't even live in Ottawa, to boot!

 

[Ice-Tray]

Good to see this board's legal and human rights expert chime in to contradict a national, bipartisan organization that's been involved in civil liberties work since 1964.

Oh Dave,

Your municipal government and subsequently your provincial government have been playing politics for three weeks now. Trying to blame the federal government while at the same time taking their time implementing the proper steps to get federal support.

The feds asked Ford to declare a state of emergency a week ago but were rebuffed. The feds stepping in and taking over a municipal e policing issue without a formal request for assistance would be the exact ‘government overstep’ to which you are referring.

At this stage, three weeks into an occupation of the downtown core of the nations capital, both municipal and provincial governments have finally officially requested help from the feds, while simultaneously doing not thing to solve the situation. The feds are now able to step in without overstep and take over a municipal policing operation.

Far from an overstep, this measure allows the feds to step in with federal resources to take control of the situation. The Measure requires specific location, time, and outline of what will be done, and automatically triggers a parliamentary review after completion. It also requires parliamentary support within 7 days of being enacted.

There are articles from professionals who both support and are against enacting such an act, but given the state of the municipal and provincial bungling, and politic playing, there isn’t much choice now.

Citing one tweet, doesn’t really make a supporting argument Dave, so I’m glad to educate you.

 

[DaveMatthew]

Oh Dave,

Your municipal government and subsequently your provincial government have been playing politics for three weeks now. Trying to blame the federal government while at the same time taking their time implementing the proper steps to get federal support.

The feds asked Ford to declare a state of emergency a week ago but were rebuffed. The feds stepping in and taking over a municipal e policing issue without a formal request for assistance would be the exact ‘government overstep’ to which you are referring.

At this stage, three weeks into an occupation of the downtown core of the nations capital, both municipal and provincial governments have finally officially requested help from the feds, while simultaneously doing not thing to solve the situation. The feds are now able to step in without overstep and take over a municipal policing operation.

Far from an overstep, this measure allows the feds to step in with federal resources to take control of the situation. The Measure requires specific location, time, and outline of what will be done, and automatically triggers a parliamentary review after completion. It also requires parliamentary support within 7 days of being enacted.

There are articles from professionals who both support and are against enacting such an act, but given the state of the municipal and provincial bungling, and politic playing, there isn’t much choice now.

Citing one tweet, doesn’t really make a supporting argument Dave, so I’m glad to educate you.

I’ve avoided engaging with you for the most part in recent weeks, and will get back to that now. Enjoy your day.

 

[MXD]

What an incredible display of incompetence by all levels of government. There are existing laws in place that should have already ended this.

“We’re invoking the Emergencies Act because we chose to let crimes take place, while police watched, and did nothing for 3 weeks. Now we’ll set a dangerous standard for government over reach.”

This is a special interest group tweeting something that's directly in line with the special interest they're defending. In other words, "water is wet". Certainly not determinative of whether the said criteria have indeed been met.

Also, what the hell the notion of "bipartisan" is doing here? It seems like you're importing something that doesn't apply at all in the Canadian context.

 

[MXD]

I’ve avoided engaging with you for the most part in recent weeks, and will get back to that now. Enjoy your day.

You should engage with him though. Reading his posts, he's pretty factual. You may learn a thing or two along the way.

 

[DaveMatthew]

This is a special interest group tweeting something that's directly in line with the special interest they're defending. In other words, "water is wet". Certainly not determinative of whether the said criteria have indeed been met.

Also, what the hell the notion of "bipartisan" is doing here? It seems like you're importing something that doesn't apply at all in the Canadian context.

I should have used non-partisan - i.e. no political affiliation. We do have political parties in Canada.

And yes, a Civil Liberties group is defending civil liberties. Just like a Criminal Justice Reform group would advocate for criminal justice reform, or a Cancer Research group would advocate for cancer research funding.

Not quite a gotcha.

These groups and organizations are critical for keeping politicians accountable.

Would you say, "Of course the Native Women's Association of Canada is critical of government policy when it comes to Indigenous issues, but they are not to be believed, because they're a special interest group"? No you wouldn't.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Oh Dave,

...
The feds asked Ford to declare a state of emergency a week ago but were rebuffed. The feds stepping in and taking over a municipal e policing issue without a formal request for assistance would be the exact ‘government overstep’ to which you are referring.

...

Is this public knowledge? I don't recall seeing it in the news but I may very well have missed it.

If it isn't public knowledge, how do you know about it and how confident are you of that source?

 

[DaveMatthew]

Is this public knowledge? I don't recall seeing it in the news but I may very well have missed it.

If it isn't public knowledge, how do you know about it and how confident are you of that source?

Doug Ford declared a state of emergency in Ontario on Friday. He did not "rebuff" the federal government.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ford-announcement-ontario-protests-1.6347810

 

[Ice-Tray]

I’ve avoided engaging with you for the most part in recent weeks, and will get back to that now. Enjoy your day.

Good.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Is this public knowledge? I don't recall seeing it in the news but I may very well have missed it.

If it isn't public knowledge, how do you know about it and how confident are you of that source?

Yes, public knowledge, CBC article based of shared correspondence between both levels of government. There has been a lot of politicking going on at Ottawa citizens’ expense here.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Doug Ford declared a state of emergency in Ontario on Friday. He did not "rebuff" the federal government.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ford-announcement-ontario-protests-1.6347810

Federal ministers asked for it to be declared a week prior.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I love that song!!!

Just put this song on repeat to end this :




yes and this whole "freedom" thing annoys me a lot. I talked about WW and how it was a real fight for freedom. My family paid a heavy price to allow me to be free today. Mask/vaccine mandates to keep other people safe has nothing to do with freedom, it's a question of respecting others and valuing their life/health.

Instead of manifesting for this, why don't we manifest against what really affect people freedom? Murders, rapes, human trafficking, drugs/alcohol hell, all the hate/crimes that really destroy/hurt people? A mask or a vaccine are totally inoffensive, it does nothing else than help to prevent sickness.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I’m having trouble finding the specific CBC article, but here is a link showing Ford reducing to meet with Ottawa and the Feds a third time, choosing instead to kick the cab back down to Jim.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ford-trilateral-ottawa-border-protest-1.6346687

Just a straight shit show from Jim and Doug. Hopefully the feds can put an end to it now, and of course deal with all of the political fall out.

Politics aside, this needs to end, and at least it looks like the feds are making sure to cross all the T’s and dot all the I’s along the way.

 

[LatteLarrys]

Kinda misleading summary. It can be invoked to address an "urgent and critical situation of a temporary nature" in two circumstances; the one arguably more applicable to current case is omitted from the tweets.

 

[DueDiligence]

I’m having trouble finding the specific CBC article, but here is a link showing Ford reducing to meet with Ottawa and the Feds a third time, choosing instead to kick the cab back down to Jim.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ford-trilateral-ottawa-border-protest-1.6346687

Just a straight shit show from Jim and Doug. Hopefully the feds can put an end to it now, and of course deal with all of the political fall out.

Politics aside, this needs to end, and at least it looks like the feds are making sure to cross all the T’s and dot all the I’s along the way.

For Doug Ford it's all about trying not to alienate his conservative constituency so he's been slow to do anything. But once downtown Toronto had a convoy show up and the Ambassador bridge blockade affected car plants he knew he had to do something. Bottom line is he couldn't give a crap about what is happening in Ottawa.