Post-Game Talk: little brain alain @ RANGERS

[Larrybiv]

Kakko was the best skater for the Rangers again. He's already too much for most defenseman to handle without turning it over to him or throwing it away uncontrolled and when he has the puck, his passes are pinpoint and hard. He turns 21 in Feb - just think how dominant he could be in his prime at 24-28.

yes, that and how you never see the puck on his stick. its like GLUED to it. amazing control. wow.

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

The refs kept getting in the way, too. I hope I'm not the only person who noticed this. Like 3 or 4 pucks went off the linesman when the Rangers were either trying to exit the D zone or move the puck up.

Reminded me of this article: https://www.thebeaverton.com/2021/11/i-bet-you-f***ing-idiots-think-im-about-to-drop-this-puck/

 

[will1066]

So, now we are considered "elite"? Dont get me wrong, me likey likey, but we aint even close to being there...yet.
as far as I am concerned we are barely running on 4 cylinders. to be winning on 4, makes one thrilled about the possibilities of running on all 8, like my Mustang. Varooooom!

How dare you question me. Seriously, though, when do you start thinking that they're elite? Having watched the Caps, Cats, Canes and Leafs I do think we might be the least polished compared with them, but I didn't say that, ok (fear of the Negativity Police)?

 

[will1066]

Meanwhile, Georgiev

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

Reminded me of this article: https://www.thebeaverton.com/2021/11/i-bet-you-f***ing-idiots-think-im-about-to-drop-this-puck/

Stupid HF censoring the F word and completely breaking my link. Oh well. if you want to read it, change the link to the 4 letter F word.

 

[Sisu4ever]

I think Georgy was just fine, I mean, it could be worse.

 

[chosen]

When do we start to worry about Fox’ leveling off and the fact Robertson - Zac Jones Lundkvist have failed to develop at speed .

They're slow in their development?

 

[mas0764]

How dare you question me. Seriously, though, when do you start thinking that they're elite? Having watched the Caps, Cats, Canes and Leafs I do think we might be the least polished compared with them, but I didn't say that, ok (fear of the Negativity Police)?

I'm waiting for the underlying metrics to match the winning record.

I remember in 13-14 the Rangers were a fringe playoff team but I remember reading a bunch of people, experts and articles saying "The Rangers have excellent possession numbers and are gonna be a bear in the playoffs."

It turned out to be exactly right. I'm a believer since then.

The Rangers are winning right now, but at least in the early part of the season they were playing losing hockey and being carried by a hot goalie. I'm not sure Shesterkin has cooled down much, but I would believe that their metrics have started to tick up. What I'm not sure about is that they are quite as good as their record is. I think the underlying numbers probably still are not close to elite, and I would not be surprised either because we're still getting nothing from Zibanejad, a fraction of what we'd expect from Panarin, and Chytil and Lafreniere haven't produced like we thought yet.

If all that comes together I could see us making a cinderella run. Until then I think we are a first or second round exit as soon as we run into a bad matchup.

 

[will1066]

I'm waiting for the underlying metrics to match the winning record.

I remember in 13-14 the Rangers were a fringe playoff team but I remember reading a bunch of people, experts and articles saying "The Rangers have excellent possession numbers and are gonna be a bear in the playoffs."

It turned out to be exactly right. I'm a believer since then.

The Rangers are winning right now, but at least in the early part of the season they were playing losing hockey and being carried by a hot goalie. I'm not sure Shesterkin has cooled down much, but I would believe that their metrics have started to tick up. What I'm not sure about is that they are quite as good as their record is. I think the underlying numbers probably still are not close to elite, and I would not be surprised either because we're still getting nothing from Zibanejad, a fraction of what we'd expect from Panarin, and Chytil and Lafreniere haven't produced like we thought yet.

If all that comes together I could see us making a cinderella run. Until then I think we are a first or second round exit as soon as we run into a bad matchup.

There have been a couple of posts today that point out excellent metrics since 11/9. So have faith!

 

[chosen]

Can’t believe we lost ADA for this clown

He's not gone because of Georgiev.

 

[Levitate]

I'm waiting for the underlying metrics to match the winning record.

I remember in 13-14 the Rangers were a fringe playoff team but I remember reading a bunch of people, experts and articles saying "The Rangers have excellent possession numbers and are gonna be a bear in the playoffs."

It turned out to be exactly right. I'm a believer since then.

Really? The hallmark of AV hockey during the Rangers time was that they did not shoot enough and were nearly always on the "bad side" of what was accepted as analytics back then (mostly shots for and against). I remember lots of arguments about "tehy don't shoot a lot but their shot quality is just good!" which was true but not really accounted for statistically back then.

So, I'd be interested to see these predictions from back then.

 

[mas0764]

Really? The hallmark of AV hockey during the Rangers time was that they did not shoot enough and were nearly always on the "bad side" of what was accepted as analytics back then (mostly shots for and against). I remember lots of arguments about "tehy don't shoot a lot but their shot quality is just good!" which was true but not really accounted for statistically back then.

So, I'd be interested to see these predictions from back then.

I don't have them on hand but I'm quite sure I remember the Rangers were analytics darlings in 2013-14.

It may have become the opposite for the AV Rangers thereafter but for that season at least (and maybe it was a holdover from the Torts era), they were a very good possession/shot differential team.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I don't have them on hand but I'm quite sure I remember the Rangers were analytics darlings in 2013-14.

It may have become the opposite for the AV Rangers thereafter but for that season at least (and maybe it was a holdover from the Torts era), they were a very good possession/shot differential team.

We might not be as good this year as a team that went to the SCF. I'd love to have them better, but that was a great team.

 

[LOFIN]

Nah, you just a ADA haterrrr

I called him a POS which might have been excessive. Let me clarify, I don't really care what he thinks about politics or whatever. I dislike the way he brought that stuff to the locker room (by the reports), kept noise about it in a way that it started to become an issue for the organization etc. And he kept behaving in a bad way despite being told otherwise. We lost him for nothing. Kinda the same reason I dislike Kravtsov right now, because while I might agree with his reasoning to bolt to Russia in terms of advancing his own career, he also tanked his value completely. TDA had and has great value on the ice, and might have been a popular teammate as well, but he was in no way a victim here. He brought it on himself, and while the incident with Georgiev might have been the final straw for Gorton to pull the trigger, somehow blaming Georgiev for that is just bonkers to me.

I wish we'd get this saga with Georgiev over with just so that we don't have to hear about this incident and poor TDA anymore.

On the game itself...

Zibanejad is still a ghost, but I think the first line overall has very much improved because of Kakko. And Hunt kinda proves what people have been saying all along and what we saw with Fast and Blackwell: Panarin and Strome just need someone to do the dirty work for them. A player like Kakko or Laf might not live to their full potential with them, but they certainly elevate 3rd and 4th liners there.

Fox had a bad game but it happens. I'm still more worried about how Lundkvist keeps making stupid errors so many times with the puck. I can understand a guy like Nemeth occasionally throwing a grenade out there, but Lundkvist shouldn't.

 

[mas0764]

Just a quick check on Moneypuck shows the Rangers were in the top 8 or so, regular season, for Corsi and XG f/a, in 2013-14.

It may have been better than that earlier in the season when I was reading about it, too, cause that's the final numbers.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Based on their body language and just how you see them interacting, I don't think they get along very well. During warmups or at end of games you'd often see Buch, Panarin, Kravtsov, Shesterkin all around each other hugging and laughing; Georgiev was never involved with his fellow Russians. Kravtsov was even going surfing with K'Andre Miller and hanging out with him outside of hockey. Even though Kravtsov is seen as a cancer. There's not really any player he hangs out with, even check their Instagrams they all click like on each others posts and comment but it's like Georgiev isn't even on the team. They're still clicking like on DEANGELO's posts but not Georgievs... LOL

So I think it is common for Georgiev to be distant like that with Shesterkin but last night looked uglier than usual. Georgiev might be frustrated that he's not getting and playing time now and we're relying on Shesterkin so much more than before

Well that makes sense considering Geo is Bulgarian

 

[EdJovanovski]

Well that makes sense considering Geo is Bulgarian

He represented Russia in international tournaments, he grew up there, he played minor hockey there. He speaks Russian

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

Who would've thought that between DeAngelo, Georgiev and Lemieux that it would be Brendan Lemieux who would be the first to literally bite? I would've lost money on that one. I'd have had Lemieux third.

 

[Levitate]

lol this f***in' guy in the "rangers are back?" thread on the main boards

how damn dense can you get

 

[chosen]

I called him a POS which might have been excessive. Let me clarify, I don't really care what he thinks about politics or whatever. I dislike the way he brought that stuff to the locker room (by the reports), kept noise about it in a way that it started to become an issue for the organization etc. And he kept behaving in a bad way despite being told otherwise. We lost him for nothing. Kinda the same reason I dislike Kravtsov right now, because while I might agree with his reasoning to bolt to Russia in terms of advancing his own career, he also tanked his value completely. TDA had and has great value on the ice, and might have been a popular teammate as well, but he was in no way a victim here. He brought it on himself, and while the incident with Georgiev might have been the final straw for Gorton to pull the trigger, somehow blaming Georgiev for that is just bonkers to me.

I wish we'd get this saga with Georgiev over with just so that we don't have to hear about this incident and poor TDA anymore.

On the game itself...

Zibanejad is still a ghost, but I think the first line overall has very much improved because of Kakko. And Hunt kinda proves what people have been saying all along and what we saw with Fast and Blackwell: Panarin and Strome just need someone to do the dirty work for them. A player like Kakko or Laf might not live to their full potential with them, but they certainly elevate 3rd and 4th liners there.

Fox had a bad game but it happens. I'm still more worried about how Lundkvist keeps making stupid errors so many times with the puck. I can understand a guy like Nemeth occasionally throwing a grenade out there, but Lundkvist shouldn't.

You had it right the first time.

He torpedoed his own career in NY. Management told him over and over to cut it out. He essentially said F you to management. He got tossed just like anyone of us who would have done the same thing at their job.

 

[chosen]

Who would've thought that between DeAngelo, Georgiev and Lemieux that it would be Brendan Lemieux who would be the first to literally bite? I would've lost money on that one. I'd have had Lemieux third.

Me.

Genetics pointed to him.

The only father-son combo to get penalized for biting.

 

[Richard Banger]

Kreider, of course.

He can only score directly in front of the net. What a scrub! Does he even know how to dangle?

 

[Unpredictable1]

Idea: People are so used to Fox's brilliance that whenever he does make a mistake, it sticks out more.

Kinda like Lundqvist in his prime.

Nail on the head! Cheers

 

[Hockey Gamer]

Shesterkin and Kakko have been the highlights of this year so far for me and they were the main stories of this game.

Kakko is showing good development now.

his shot is good
his passing is great
his hands are excellent
his board work is excellent
his strength appears to be excellent
his skating is average
his offensive decision-making is good
his defensive decision-making is great

 

[Levitate]

re: DeAngelo, if it wasn't the thing with Georgiev it would have been something else. Maybe that whole thing was a wakeup call he needed but it wasn't some snap decision because he got into a fight with a teammate

Re: Zibanejad, honestly think he just kinda needs to shoot it more. He's passing a lot at the moment but he's a shooter and needsd to get pucks on net