Player Discussion Linus Ullmark

[Bruinfanatic]

Agree completely. Their bottom of the roster was an issue. The 3rd line pairing got exposed. I do think that Monty could have mitigated it better too though. He should have shortened up the bench last night when they got the lead. Only rolling out McAvoy, Lindholm, Orlov, and Carlo instead of continually putting out Forbort and Gryz, who were both bad all series long.

Not sure that would have made a difference last night McAvoy was a complete dumpster fire last night.

 

[EverettMike]

#FireMonty

 

[LSCII]

I get that part. I loved his playoff effort.

But Matt Belesky and David Backes tried really hard and cared a lot too. So did Nick Foligno. Didn't matter once the wheels started to go. There was more than a couple times in this series that Foligno got the puck with time and space going up the wing in a straight line and Panthers back-checkers closed on him so fast he never even made it to the redline.

Bruins need to get younger and faster. Panthers had just two forwards over the age of 29, one was a career minor-leaguer (Dalpe) and the other couldn't even find an NHL job the year prior (Staal). Both were on their 4th line. Dalpe averaged 8 mins and Staal 12 in the series.

Sure, but the main difference is that Beleskey was a stiff that was a virtual lock to fall back to earth based solely on his inflated shooting percentage that one breakout season he had. While Backes and Uncle Nick were character guys that were on their last leg because of age and mileage. Bertuzzi is still in his prime with a track record of putting up good numbers. If he does his usual average performance, you're talking about 22-23 goals and 56 points.

Not sure that would have made a difference last night McAvoy was a complete dumpster fire last night.

The entire team was a dumpster fire once they got up 3-1 in the series. It wasn't last night, that was just a microcosm of the series and how badly Monty got abused by a clown of a coach in Maurice.

 

[Alicat]

I need more information on this. Did Linus lie and say he was ok? Did Goalie Bob say Linus was good? Did the medical staff tell the coaches that he couldn't hurt himself any worse?

Way too much unknown for me right now.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I need more information on this. Did Linus lie and say he was ok? Did Goalie Bob say Linus was good? Did the medical staff tell the coaches that he couldn't hurt himself any worse?

Way too much unknown for me right now.

You can make the strong case he shouldn't have started Game 6 after the Game 5 performance.

But beyond that, not yanking him out of game 6 at 4-4 or worse 5-5 is inexcusable regardless of any injury situation. Even 100% healthy you gotta yank him there, he wasn't stopping anything

 

[DarrenBanks56]

I need more information on this. Did Linus lie and say he was ok? Did Goalie Bob say Linus was good? Did the medical staff tell the coaches that he couldn't hurt himself any worse?

Way too much unknown for me right now.

between this and bergeron getting injured in the final game. if its all true, see ya monty.
I would actually feel better about ullmark if this is true.

 

[Alicat]

You can make the strong case he shouldn't have started Game 6 after the Game 5 performance.

But beyond that, not yanking him out of game 6 at 4-4 or worse 5-5 is inexcusable regardless of any injury situation. Even 100% healthy you gotta yank him there, he wasn't stopping anything

He should not have started game 5. IMO, Swayman should have started game 2. Linus goes in Games 3 and 4 then you play Swayman game 5 and close it out with Ullmark.

 

[KnightofBoston]

I need more information on this. Did Linus lie and say he was ok? Did Goalie Bob say Linus was good? Did the medical staff tell the coaches that he couldn't hurt himself any worse?

Way too much unknown for me right now.

And regardless of the answer to any of those things; Monty needed to make the call. He saw the same thing we all saw. At minimum it was antithetical to what they did all year.

Doubt there is anyone kicking monty more than monty himself right now imo

 

[LouJersey]

And here comes the bullshit.

Everyone in the arena and their couches could see he was not right. He didn't get up quickly at all.

Montgomery and "goalie" Bob (who Montgomery seemed to bring up alot CYA) should be terminated immediately. Did they expect Ullmark or anyone else to say they are hurt?

They acted like they didn't use a rotation all year (when both were healthy) but wouldn't when he was hurt. This is the infuriating after play-off stuff that drives me mental

Also, didn't he get hurt vs Washington? Game #81?

This coaching staff is a clown show.. All should be shown the door, including Gruden who looked great coaching the regular season. You would think Gruden would come up with a strategy on how to solve the forecheck by now after his fateful maneuver.

EDIT Sorry John wrong Jon.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

im laughing my ass off because they did this same shit with rask 2 years ago. lol

 

[BruinDust]

Sure, but the main difference is that Beleskey was a stiff that was a virtual lock to fall back to earth based solely on his inflated shooting percentage that one breakout season he had. While Backes and Uncle Nick were character guys that were on their last leg because of age and mileage. Bertuzzi is still in his prime with a track record of putting up good numbers. If he does his usual average performance, you're talking about 22-23 goals and 56 points.


The entire team was a dumpster fire once they got up 3-1 in the series. It wasn't last night, that was just a microcosm of the series and how badly Monty got abused by a clown of a coach in Maurice.

The first 3-4 years of an extension will probably be fine. After that it's a crapshoot with older players if their skating legs start to go. Closer to the end of his prime (25-29) than the beginning.

There is room for older players, especially experienced D-men. But by an large I think the Bruins need to forget 30+ crowd up front as this league skews younger and younger each year.

I guess it depends on the length of the extension but this league had just 35 forwards age 34 or older this past year. And that's with a lot of that 2003 draft class hanging on. In Game 6 the Bruins literally dressed 4 of of 35 older forwards in the NHL and despite the heart and experience of those players they still suffered an epic 3rd period collapse. How young and fast will this league be when Bertuzzi is 32 or 33?

I like Bertuzzi so no disrespect to him but I think signing guys his age to long-term deals goes against the direction the league is headed. The league is getting faster, the forechecking getting heavier, and gaps are closing quicker.

 

[LSCII]

The first 3-4 years of an extension will probably be fine. After that it's a crapshoot with older players if their skating legs start to go. Closer to the end of his prime (25-29) than the beginning.

There is room for older players, especially experienced D-men. But by an large I think the Bruins need to forget 30+ crowd up front as this league skews younger and younger each year.

I guess it depends on the length of the extension but this league had just 35 forwards age 34 or older this past year. And that's with a lot of that 2003 draft class hanging on. In Game 6 the Bruins literally dressed 4 of of 35 older forwards in the NHL and despite the heart and experience of those players they still suffered an epic 3rd period collapse. How young and fast will this league be when Bertuzzi is 32 or 33?

I like Bertuzzi so no disrespect to him but I think signing guys his age to long-term deals goes against the direction the league is headed. The league is getting faster, the forechecking getting heavier, and gaps are closing quicker.

I get it and that's a valid position. I'm simply looking at what they have in the pipeline, and the potential depatures, and see a need for top 6 talent. I highly doubt he comes back. Some team will give him a crazy deal based on his playoff performance alone. And if Bergy and DK retire, Sweeney will replace them with 2 4th line centers and will expect everyone in front of them to slot up, which will fail. lol

 

[BruinDust]

I get it and that's a valid position. I'm simply looking at what they have in the pipeline, and the potential depatures, and see a need for top 6 talent. I highly doubt he comes back. Some team will give him a crazy deal based on his playoff performance alone. And if Bergy and DK retire, Sweeney will replace them with 2 4th line centers and will expect everyone in front of them to slot up, which will fail. lol

He's going to be in high demand. He will be one of the younger UFAs among proven scorers available.

I think even finding the cap space for him will be hard. I think a lot of us were hopeful that a long run would amp up the value of Forbort and Gryz and they could move those contracts out this summer and now I don't know if you move either without adding. Someone pointed out Forbort isn't a bad buyout hit.

From the President's Trophy to staring at the abyss of a tight cap, thin pipeline, and no draft picks in the span of two weeks.

It's called Bruins.

 

[LouJersey]

im laughing my ass off because they did this same shit with rask 2 years ago. lol

How do Essensa still have a job?

 

[BruinDust]

How do Essensa still have a job?

I think he may be the best goaltending coach in the NHL.

But I don't know why he's making decisions on who starts.

 

[Therick67]

I think he may be the best goaltending coach in the NHL.

But I don't know why he's making decisions on who starts.

Especially when the guy has an injury to factor in. I guess Bergy and Essensa do the coaching and Monty just nods..

 

[BTO]

#FireMonty

Or Sweeney. Monty may have been overruled. We don't know the whole story yet. But indeed, fire everyone involved (if true, but we all know it's true because we all saw it).

I think he may be the best goaltending coach in the NHL.

But I don't know why he's making decisions on who starts.

Maybe Sweeney gave him that responsibility. Or something. We have to wait for the whole story to come out, and then fire everyone responsible.

 

[Goom 35]

im laughing my ass off because they did this same shit with rask 2 years ago. lol

Yeah, but this one is actually much worse. Swayman was an inexperienced rookie with Rask so there was some hesitation.

Ullmark and Swayman both had excellent numbers and rotated ALL SEASON. If Ullmark was hurt, it makes NO SENSE to keep playing him when they had a 1B in Swayman.

The constant here is Bob Essensa. Sounds like he’s stuck in the old way of thinking it should be “one guy and you ride him“ and was probably pushing for that.

Regardless, Montgomery is the who makes that final call and screwed up massively.

 

[BTO]

How do Essensa still have a job?

Because we don't know who is actually responsible yet. Maybe Sweeney was planning on letting Swayman go and sticking with Ullmark, or maybe Essensa was pushing for that, and Sweeney didn't want Swayman as the starting goalie. Or something. I don't know, but we need to find out first, and then fire everyone responsible. All I know that nothing surprises me with these clowns.

 

[Therick67]

If the goalie coach is deciding who starts in goal, he's making descions above his pay grade..

 

[Johnnyduke]

It's Cassidy/Rask vs. the Islanders all over again. I realize the buck stops with Monty but what is the fascination with Goalie Bob and essentially giving him carte blanche on goaltending decisions? Everyone knows the Bruins have two good goalies. If Ullmark is hurt and Goalie Bob is saying he's a better option than a healthy Swayman? Fire Goalie Bob and eliminate this thing that he has become. Hire freakin Andrew Raycroft as goalie coach and let it be known he won't be choosing who starts.

If the goalie coach is deciding who starts in goal, he's making descions above his pay grade..

Exactly

 

[chizzler]

How do Essensa still have a job?

He’s not the coach. Monty made the decision. Don’t let him fool you.

 

[rocketdan9]

He’s not the coach. Monty made the decision. Don’t let him fool you.

But Monty said "ask goalie Bob"... no reason to lie no?

 

[Johnnyduke]

He’s not the coach. Monty made the decision. Don’t let him fool you.

I think this is a bigger organizational issue that spans two coaches now. Rask against the Islanders and now Ullmark this year. Essensa is a constant here. Obviously I don't know what goes on behind the scenes but it's an interesting dynamic to me.

 

[smithformeragent]