Confirmed with Link: Linus Ullmark Traded to Senators

[DKH]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1603720779220373504

 

[UncleRico]

He got us a Cup worthy team 2 years ago, rookie coach maybe, hurt #1 goalie, probably(stuck with him too long), Bergy hurt going into the playoffs. But they had the best regular season team, ever.

I'm not satisfied with the fact that the Chara/Bergs/March/Rask core never won more than one. They had their chances and Sweeney for all his warts, sold the teams future in the years that warranted a full chase.
They just did not deliver. That chase came with a futures cost that we are dealing with now. So either you suck for a while, get lucky with better teams having bad luck, or you build up a new core.

That core has warts as well. What is MacAvoy, but a 1B, not a 1A(Makar, Hughes, kid on Dallas)
Pasta is Mike Bossy, he needs a Trottier. He's not a complete player and honestly I don't think he will be. But give him a very center and its 50+G every year. He's not the spoon that stirs the drink. not to mention the one timer from the elbow is over with, teams are queuing on it. He's the only threat.
Swayman could be a 1A if he can carry a team 50-60G/year... TBD

Let me know when they start hanging “cup worthy” banners

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Blows my mind how anyone could say Sweeney’s tenure is better than chiarelli. Both 9 year tenures to this point

Chiarelli: inherited 74 point team

Playoff series wins: 10
Cup appearances: 2
Cup wins: 1

Sweeney: inherited 96 point team

Playoff series wins:7
Cup appearances:1
Cup wins:0

Chiarelli inherited a worse team and was much successful in the postseason than Sweeney. The only thing Sweeney has on Chiarelli is regular season record.

Would love to hear from one of the Sweeney fans how they like Sweeney more but also hold the playoffs in higher regard than the postseason. I’d love to see the mental gymnastics at play.

oh cool you're doing that fun UncleRico thing where you post numbers with zero context to make your stupid argument (because as always you've made up your mind and are not actually interested in having your mind changed by considering new info).

Tell me, who did the 74 point Bruins sign 1 week before Chia assumed the role of GM?

remind me which of these guys did Chia draft/acquire?:
Bergeron
Lucic
Marchand
Krejci
Chara
Rask
Savard

He also pretty much lucked into Tim Thomas who he actively tried to replace with Manny Fernandez

saying he inherited a 74 point team is attempting to mislead people b/c it ignores that he was also inherting multiple future HOFers in or before their primes, most of which had no bearing on that 74 point record. Sweeney on the other hand inherited a better NHL team, but with several players in decline, a far more difficult cap situation, and an infinitely worse prospect pool. The situations they inherited are night & day different so they're virtually impossible to compare fairly.

fwiw I would not trade Chia's tenure for Sweeney's because I wouldn't give up the Cup for the world. But since I'm a grown up I understand the concept of context and that a GM's entire body of work can be evaluated independent of whether he won a Cup (which involves a massive amount of luck and is a product of innumerable variables way beyond just the GM).

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

I think it’s a possibility yea. But not a high one.

If he doesn’t re-sign in Ottawa then yea it looks like your assumption was correct.

Me trusting Doms source isn’t something I need to defend myself for.

Of course you don’t have to defend yourself for trusting Dom, or anything really. But I can also come back over the top when you make a cheesy subtweet post about me that turns out to be correct, no?

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

You asked me for names of people who preferred regular season success over postseason success.

Heres one:

RussellmaniaKW

you know i've never once said any such thing and have said the opposite repeatedly. please try for once to understand even a modicum of nuance.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Of course you don’t have to defend yourself for trusting Dom, or anything really. But I can also come back over the top when you make a cheesy subtweet post about me that turns out to be correct, no?

Yea for sure. Like I said I post a lot of nonsense I didn’t know which post you were referring to at first.

 

[Carl Hungus]

Hoping Korp has a decent year and they flip him at the TDL to a desperate team

 

[UncleRico]

oh cool you're doing that fun UncleRico thing where you post numbers with zero context to make your stupid argument (because as always you've made up your mind and are not actually interested in having your mind changed by considering new info).

Tell me, who did the 74 point Bruins sign 1 week before Chia assumed the role of GM?

remind me which of these guys did Chia draft/acquire?:
Bergeron
Lucic
Marchand
Krejci
Chara
Rask
Savard

He also pretty much lucked into Tim Thomas who he actively tried to replace with Manny Fernandez

saying he inherited a 74 point team is attempting to mislead people b/c it ignores that he was also inherting multiple future HOFers in or before their primes, most of which had no bearing on that 74 point record. Sweeney on the other hand inherited a better NHL team, but with several players in decline, a far more difficult cap situation, and an infinitely worse prospect pool. The situations they inherited are night & day different so they're virtually impossible to compare fairly.

fwiw I would not trade Chia's tenure for Sweeney's because I wouldn't give up the Cup for the world. But since I'm a grown up I understand the concept of context and that a GM's entire body of work can be evaluated independent of whether he won a Cup (which involves a massive amount of luck and is a product of innumerable variables way beyond just the GM).

Chiarelli was hired may 26th. Before free agency started. He couldn’t “assume duties” until July 8th.

There is no possibly way you think he wasn’t involved in those signings lo


Of course he lucked into Thomas and you probably think he lucked into horton too lol.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Dom didn't say that, David Pagnotta at TFP said that.

47 people "liked" this post btw

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

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47 people "liked" this post btw

Is that a lot?

Seems like a lot

 

[Mad-Marcus]

Let me know when they start hanging “cup worthy” banners

You're going to be waiting a while, need to bottom out and get a generational player.
So either enjoy the ride or are blessed with a miracle season.
Too many B-, C+ and lower players on this team.

 

[Mione134]

Conroy confirming.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Dom did say that.

Or more accurately, he relayed the information that he received and THAT person said that.

for a poster to be able to post rumors and insider info and have it be considered "legitimate" by the mods they need to show sources, right?

Considering that the most generous interpretation of Dom's claim about Ullmark's NTC is that his source was unreliable, will the mods be re-considering their stance on Dom's rumors in the future?

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

oh cool you're doing that fun UncleRico thing where you post numbers with zero context to make your stupid argument (because as always you've made up your mind and are not actually interested in having your mind changed by considering new info).

Tell me, who did the 74 point Bruins sign 1 week before Chia assumed the role of GM?

remind me which of these guys did Chia draft/acquire?:
Bergeron
Lucic
Marchand
Krejci
Chara
Rask
Savard

He also pretty much lucked into Tim Thomas who he actively tried to replace with Manny Fernandez

saying he inherited a 74 point team is attempting to mislead people b/c it ignores that he was also inherting multiple future HOFers in or before their primes, most of which had no bearing on that 74 point record. Sweeney on the other hand inherited a better NHL team, but with several players in decline, a far more difficult cap situation, and an infinitely worse prospect pool. The situations they inherited are night & day different so they're virtually impossible to compare fairly.

fwiw I would not trade Chia's tenure for Sweeney's because I wouldn't give up the Cup for the world. But since I'm a grown up I understand the concept of context and that a GM's entire body of work can be evaluated independent of whether he won a Cup (which involves a massive amount of luck and is a product of innumerable variables way beyond just the GM).

Chara and Savard.

Gorton may have been the name in charge, but its the worst kept secret that Chiarelli was involved behind the scenes from his cage in Ottawa. Especially on Chara. No chance in hell Jacobs lets an interim GM hand out 2 of the biggest contracts in the league in FA

 

[LouJersey]

Chia was not "great until he got fired", come on. He had a great 2 year stretch of pro asset management leading up to the Cup and then got continuously worse until he was fired. You can very much make the case that his mistakes cost them a 2nd Cup. And as for drafting, Chia was a mess and by all accounts their scouting staff needed a complete rebuild by the time he was canned. I think his subsequent work with Edmonton only served to validate that despite having success in Boston, he was not a particularly good GM.

So because he sucked on Edmonton he wasn't very good in Boston? Are you that big of a Sweeney nut washer to discount his success while with the Bruins? So when the Bruins mess up drafts with anyone but Sweeney its the Gm's fault. Got it. Did Chia ice a President's Trophy team the year before he was fired? Or did I dream that? I know President's Trophies didn't mean much until Sweeney took over, but nonetheless. Make the case his mistakes cost him a 2nd cup? What? They played the Blackhawks. How about making the case screwing up the 2015 draft cost the Bruins a cup? Oh that's right, Sweeney wasn't on the job long enough (despite being assistant gm since 2009), yet he was instrumental in landing Pastrnak the year before. You would have thought he wouldn't have listened to any of thoise guys. How about signing David Backes and having to scratch him over the immortal karson kuhlman? Do you think maybe could have cost them a cup?

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47 people "liked" this post btw

Did Dom punt your family dog? You never miss a chance to go after him.

 

[RiverbottomChuck]

The annual offseason Bruins HF Civil War has begun.

It’s unfortunate but rumors are just rumors and Donnie doesn’t seem like he’s able to get the upper hand in discussions currently. Any frustration I show is 100% directed at the management group and not any posters here we may become at odds with on opinions. Hopefully it’s a great FA and a fun summer.

 

[Gee Wally]

for a poster to be able to post rumors and insider info and have it be considered "legitimate" by the mods they need to show sources, right?

Considering that the most generous interpretation of Dom's claim about Ullmark's NTC is that his source was unreliable, will the mods be re-considering their stance on Dom's rumors in the future?

I wont. As I stated repeatedly,dom sends me screenshots of whos telling him what.

Unless you want to accuse me of being full of it.

 

[UncleRico]

Chiarelli and chara were in ottawa together for 2-3 years before coming to Boston the same off season.

Chiarelli got hired a week before free agency started but couldn’t “assume duties” aka sign paperwork for a month. And people really think he had nothing to do with getting Chara here.

Amazing.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

I wont. As I stated repeatedly,dom sends me screenshots of whos telling him what.

Unless you want to accuse me of being full of it.

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what good are screenshots if the source/info is consistently bad? at some point do you not at least put a disclaimer on the info until they produce a more reliable source?

 

[LouJersey]

I think people seriously underrate the roster Sweeney was handed because of the missed playoffs. They act like the team had bottomed out rather than what it was, a team that set the record for most points to not make the playoffs.

A roster with Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak, Lucic, Soderberg, Hamilton, Chara, Seidenberg, Rask.

Sweeney has made many costly missteps, even beyond the debated to death 2015 draft. The worst one IMO was Backes. He trades Lucic instead of giving him $6m a year because he's a late 20s power forward, fair assessment. But he immediately turns around and gives a 5 year older power forward with worse performance 5/30

Ssshhhh. Presidents Trophies and lost cups meant nothing back then. Both of them are were very good for the Bruins, Chiarelli just hands down more successful, and that's ok.

 

[Gee Wally]

what good are screenshots if the source/info is consistently bad? at some point do you not at least put a disclaimer on the info until they produce a more reliable source?

He passes along what he’s hearing. Those screenshots are from reputable sources. Throughout the league.
When you come up with a ‘more reliable source’ for anything we’ll give it a go.
Otherwise pipe down. Your constant trolling on this has run its course.

 

[LouJersey]

Sweeney and chara were in ottawa together for 2-3 years before coming to Boston the same off season.

Chiarelli got hired a week before free agency started but couldn’t “assume duties” aka sign paperwork for a month. And people really think he had nothing to do with getting Chara here.

Amazing.

For some reason people need to crap on the GM who oversaw the most successful Bruins era in recently memory to make "their guy" look better. So odd.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

what good are screenshots if the source/info is consistently bad? at some point do you not at least put a disclaimer on the info until they produce a more reliable source?

Its the same as sharing any other twitter "verified" source.

Theres no disclaimer when people share their tweets. Meet everything with a fair bit of skepticism until the teams official twitter announces it.

My problem the other day is when people use it as concrete evidence of why someone else is wrong. Like if someone said no way would Ottawa be a favorable destination and another person quoted Dom saying he waived his NTC there that doesn't mean anything.

I got dragged over the coals for stating that but its still true.

 

[LouJersey]

what good are screenshots if the source/info is consistently bad? at some point do you not at least put a disclaimer on the info until they produce a more reliable source?

I mean what team did Ullmark go to? Also what team did Dom say he was going to?

 

[PB37]

Chia weas great until he got fired. Ullmark was until he got traded.

Amazing the cache this GM has built up among a fanbase for no Cups, just putting together very good regular season teams. I hate knocking him, because I really do like him, but championships all of a sudden don't matter to some fans with this guy when that's the standard the Bruins fans used to have. Harry Sinden was killed for it, but always made the play-offs. Shit, Chiarelli won one and lost one and has my series wins in his time but somehow is not as good. Crazy town,

If i remember right, a lot of people here were calling him to get fired and then the Boychuk deal happened and it got louder.