Rumor: Lightning trying to use draft picks to move bad contracts

[Lightning1995]

You take them after for a sweetener or on waivers when they’re more desperate plus they lose some good talent on ELCs which will hurt Tampa down the road.

Keep dreaming, the league isn’t going to conspire to screw Tampa, teams want to get better

 

[r0bert8841]

I would expect Tampa to try and get Seattle to take at least 2 of Johnson/Killorn/Gourde/Palat. You would think that would be the cheapest way for Tampa to get out of this mess. And Seattle have a couple skilled guys with that have chemistry.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

His contract.

lol we gladly keep him

 

[theimmortal1]

I would expect Tampa to try and get Seattle to take at least 2 of Johnson/Killorn/Gourde/Palat. You would think that would be the cheapest way for Tampa to get out of this mess. And Seattle have a couple skilled guys with that have chemistry.

How do you define cheapest?

If Seattle takes Gourde.

Bolts trade Johnson for free or they trade Palat/Killorn for a 1st


If Seattle takes a prospect

Bolts just have to trade 2 forwards. Johnson for free or Palat/Killorn/Gourde for high picks.


The only ‘bad’ contract they have is Johnson and he’s basically a wash at this point. They’ll get assets for whomever else they trade

 

[Mersss]

How do you define cheapest?

If Seattle takes Gourde.

Bolts trade Johnson for free or they trade Palat/Killorn for a 1st


If Seattle takes a prospect

Bolts just have to trade 2 forwards. Johnson for free or Palat/Killorn/Gourde for high picks.


The only ‘bad’ contract they have is Johnson and he’s basically a wash at this point. They’ll get assets for whomever else they trade

Lol when you're dealing with xero leverage, you're not getting a 1st for a guy

It'll cost at least 2 first to get rid of a bottom 6er like TJ paid like a top6, and then, after that, the other 31 GM know Brosebois needs to shed salary, they're not going to pau full price for Killorn/Palat/Gourde.3rd at most. Otherwhise they'll just wait for TB to waive them

 

[kinghock]

How do you define cheapest?

If Seattle takes Gourde.

Bolts trade Johnson for free or they trade Palat/Killorn for a 1st


If Seattle takes a prospect

Bolts just have to trade 2 forwards. Johnson for free or Palat/Killorn/Gourde for high picks.


The only ‘bad’ contract they have is Johnson and he’s basically a wash at this point. They’ll get assets for whomever else they trade

Good luck to Tampa with trading Johnson for free or trading Palat/Killorn for a 1st.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I think there would be worse things for the Kraken to do than get Johnson, Gourde or Palat and some sweeteners from TB.

 

[johnsic]

What about something like Wings offer DeKeyser and Nielsen for Johnson, Palat and Gourde? Lighting saves 5 million.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

Good luck to Tampa with trading Johnson for free or trading Palat/Killorn for a 1st.

FFS, Nick Foligno and David Savard went for a 1st.
Why wouldn't Palat, who is a much better player with only 1 year remaining at a very reasonable contract not go for that much?

You don't think a Colorado (to say one team) would do that if they believe that's the piece to push them closer to the cup?
Geez.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

How do you define cheapest?

If Seattle takes Gourde.

Bolts trade Johnson for free or they trade Palat/Killorn for a 1st


If Seattle takes a prospect

Bolts just have to trade 2 forwards. Johnson for free or Palat/Killorn/Gourde for high picks.


The only ‘bad’ contract they have is Johnson and he’s basically a wash at this point. They’ll get assets for whomever else they trade

Wasn’t Johnson already waived with no takers?
No one is taking him for free at that salary.

 

[theimmortal1]

Wasn’t Johnson already waived with no takers?
No one is taking him for free at that salary.

Totally different scenario.

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

FFS, Nick Foligno and David Savard went for a 1st.
Why wouldn't Palat, who is a much better player with only 1 year remaining at a very reasonable contract not go for that much?

You don't think a Colorado (to say one team) would do that if they believe that's the piece to push them closer to the cup?
Geez.

Foligno and Savard were deadline trades.

If you want to trade Palat at the deadline, sure you might get a 1st for him.
But you need to get under the cap before the season starts in order to carry that salary until Feb 2022.

 

[theimmortal1]

Lol when you're dealing with xero leverage, you're not getting a 1st for a guy

It'll cost at least 2 first to get rid of a bottom 6er like TJ paid like a top6, and then, after that, the other 31 GM know Brosebois needs to shed salary, they're not going to pau full price for Killorn/Palat/Gourde.3rd at most. Otherwhise they'll just wait for TB to waive them

Are you suggesting other teams collude?

The goal of the other 31 teams is to win, it’s not to hurt the Lightning.

Do you really think contending teams will pass up a trade that helps their team just to hurt the Lightning?

In your world JBB calls up Colorado (or any contender) and says “We got a deal on the table Palat for a 3rd, can you beat it?” and Colorado says no because they want to inflict max pain on the Lightning.

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

1st and Killorn to Montreal, sure... almost makes up for the Drouin - Sergachev deal

we don't need to add to trade Killer..

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Are you suggesting other teams collude?

The goal of the other 31 teams is to win, it’s not to hurt the Lightning.

Do you really think contending teams will pass up a trade that helps their team just to hurt the Lightning?

In your world JBB calls up Colorado (or any contender) and says “We got a deal on the table Palat for a 3rd, can you beat it?” and Colorado says no because they want to inflict max pain on the Lightning.

Colorado already had a similar player in Brandon Saad and just let him go UFA. I'm sure they could sign him again if they wanted to.
Why would they give up a 3rd?

 

[Mersss]

Are you suggesting other teams collude?

The goal of the other 31 teams is to win, it’s not to hurt the Lightning.

Do you really think contending teams will pass up a trade that helps their team just to hurt the Lightning?

In your world JBB calls up Colorado (or any contender) and says “We got a deal on the table Palat for a 3rd, can you beat it?” and Colorado says no because they want to inflict max pain on the Lightning.

Nope, they'll match the offer and wait. They are not going to get a 1st for palat or Gourde or Killorn when these guys are a dime a dozen on the NHL. TB calls Col and says 'Hey we got a deal for Killorn, a 3rd', Sakic will just tell Brisebois to f*** off until the price goes down that's it. No one is helping the TBL get out of their cap hell as it's been shown last offseason. Even less now that Brisebois screwed the other 30GM delaying Kuch returns when he wad healty and able toplay 1mo before the playoffs.

 

[r0bert8841]

How do you define cheapest?

If Seattle takes Gourde.

Bolts trade Johnson for free or they trade Palat/Killorn for a 1st


If Seattle takes a prospect

Bolts just have to trade 2 forwards. Johnson for free or Palat/Killorn/Gourde for high picks.


The only ‘bad’ contract they have is Johnson and he’s basically a wash at this point. They’ll get assets for whomever else they trade

I define cheapest as giving up the least amount of assets possible. Literally the title of this thread says Tampa has to give up assets for teams to take their players.

 

[HoseEmDown]

Lol when you're dealing with xero leverage, you're not getting a 1st for a guy

It'll cost at least 2 first to get rid of a bottom 6er like TJ paid like a top6, and then, after that, the other 31 GM know Brosebois needs to shed salary, they're not going to pau full price for Killorn/Palat/Gourde.3rd at most. Otherwhise they'll just wait for TB to waive them

Do I have to remind you again of the other players who scored aren't the same as Johnson did this year while making similar or more money? Laine, Domi, Anderson, Danault, Larkin, Johansen, Cirelli, Henrique and Dubois.

LA just traded a 2nd + 3rd for Arvidsson who has similar production to Johnson recently, signed the same length just 750k less. The cost to dump an AHL player with a higher cap than Johnson was just two 2nds. Tell me again how a guy who can play up and down the lineup and on either wing costs multiple 1sts? We aren't waiving anybody either, we did so he would expand his trade list which he did but we didn't need to after Kucherov had surgery and the 2nd time was to get under the cap to start the year.

 

[theimmortal1]

Nope, they'll match the offer and wait. They are not going to get a 1st for palat or Gourde or Killorn when these guys are a dime a dozen on the NHL. TB calls Col and says 'Hey we got a deal for Killorn, a 3rd', Sakic will just tell Brisebois to f*** off until the price goes down that's it. No one is helping the TBL get out of their cap hell as it's been shown last offseason. Even less now that Brisebois screwed the other 30GM delaying Kuch returns when he wad healty and able toplay 1mo before the playoffs.

lol how did the Bolts win multiple cups with all these scrubs?

 

[Flair Hay]

I'd expect that if they do trade Johnson, we would take a 2nd + something to get rid of. Not a 1st, he isnt bad, just an overpaid tweener.

And on the flip side, I dont think they'll get a 1st back for Palat, Killorn or Gourde, but probably a couple 2nds type of deal. They dont have as much leverage with teams knowing they need to move someone. But teams will also jump on a experienced middle six contributor once the price is right.

I imagine it will be Johnson, Gourde and Palat that are moved.

 

[SwedishFire]

Why the heck did they pay 5$ to undrafted players? They didnt need to add up that much. Let them pay their misstakes

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Tampa Bay doesn't really have bad contracts. Gourde & Johnson are both a little overpaid, but not by a lot.

Teams just don't want to help Tampa without a significant asset attached.

I've seen this said a few times and it just doesn't make any sense.

If the players are good but just a tad overpaid, then that team should also be helping themselves by acquiring them. Not doing so just to spite Tampa doesn't make sense.

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Only 1 with negative value is Johnson and I don’t think it’s that bad. Curious to see what they do on the blue line in a year or so when Sergachev needs a contract. He’s a luxury for them as they have 2 other top LHD. I could see Sergachev wanting an expanded role eventually…

I think at that point we move on from McDonagh.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

If a veteran really wanted to stay and shoot for 3, could they restructure their deal like in the NFL? I know it’s different because in the NFL the alternative is being released and getting no money, but conceptually is that possible?

 

[kings11]

FFS, Nick Foligno and David Savard went for a 1st.
Why wouldn't Palat, who is a much better player with only 1 year remaining at a very reasonable contract not go for that much?

You don't think a Colorado (to say one team) would do that if they believe that's the piece to push them closer to the cup?
Geez.

Because those teams weren’t in a need to shed salary. With that’s said, you’re not getting a 1st and that’s a fact but what you can do is shed say Palat & Kilorn for say Rasmus Kupari and 3rd. That might be right around what I expect the market to be for Tampa’s guys.. again, leverage is not what your TBL have and it gets worse when Serg and Erik needs new contracts as does Point. You could move Stammer or McD but keep in mind the NMC and their age..
the good things is you guys will still be in the running for the SC the next two seasons before what many expect to be the start of their decline.