Rumor: Lightning trying to use draft picks to move bad contracts

[JKG33]

If a veteran really wanted to stay and shoot for 3, could they restructure their deal like in the NFL? I know it’s different because in the NFL the alternative is being released and getting no money, but conceptually is that possible?

Its possible, they could mutually agree to terminate contract. The player would have to pass through waivers first. Plus I'm sure the league would reject a new contract between Tampa and said player as cap circumvention

 

[llamateizer]

If a veteran really wanted to stay and shoot for 3, could they restructure their deal like in the NFL? I know it’s different because in the NFL the alternative is being released and getting no money, but conceptually is that possible?

Yes and no, they can mutually terminate the contract.

However, the player wouldn't be able to sign with the same team

 

[theimmortal1]

Because those teams weren’t in a need to shed salary. With that’s said, you’re not getting a 1st and that’s a fact but what you can do is shed say Palat & Kilorn for say Rasmus Kupari and 3rd. That might be right around what I expect the market to be for Tampa’s guys.. again, leverage is not what your TBL have and it gets worse when Serg and Erik needs new contracts as does Point. You could move Stammer or McD but keep in mind the NMC and their age..
the good things is you guys will still be in the running for the SC the next two seasons before what many expect to be the start of their decline.

Whether or not a team has to shed salary doesn’t impact trade values except in extreme circumstances. Things are pretty much normal now. Teams have space. No team is going to purposefully hurt their own team just to spite the Bolts. That’s dumb. And the Bolts only need 1 team to get fair market value. They easily get top picks for Palat/Killorn/Gourde. Easily.

Seattle is different since they have the leverage that they get 1 player for free.

 

[bossram]

I would expect Tampa to try and get Seattle to take at least 2 of Johnson/Killorn/Gourde/Palat. You would think that would be the cheapest way for Tampa to get out of this mess. And Seattle have a couple skilled guys with that have chemistry.

Well they're going to lose Gourde to expansion...which is pretty bad to TB. He's a fringe 1st line calibre player and was their 3rd most used forward in the playoffs. Honestly I think he should be considered part of their "core" and it's gonna be a huge loss. One of the better two-way centers in the league.

Palat/Killorn are moveable without too much trouble. Basically right now Tampa is just trying to jump Johnson again.

 

[theimmortal1]

Well they're going to lose Gourde to expansion...which is pretty bad to TB. He's a fringe 1st line calibre player and was their 3rd most used forward in the playoffs. Honestly I think he should be considered part of their "core" and it's gonna be a huge loss. One of the better two-way centers in the league.

Palat/Killorn are moveable without too much trouble. Basically right now Tampa is just trying to jump Johnson again.

If teams want too high of a pick for Johnson the Bolts will keep him and give him top 6 minutes. He will be a 20/30 player

 

[Curufinwe]

If teams want too high of a pick for Johnson the Bolts will keep him and give him top 6 minutes. He will be a 20/30 player

20-30 points, yeah.

 

[Lightning1995]

I wonder if Vinik will have to sell ownership shares to the competition in order to entice teams to take on salary for top 6 Stanley cup champion quality forwards.

something to ponder

 

[r0bert8841]

I wonder if Vinik will have to sell ownership shares to the competition in order to entice teams to take on salary for top 6 Stanley cup champion quality forwards.

something to ponder

That puts Tampa at an unfair advantage since their ownership shares are worth more than other team's due to the lack of taxes.

 

[RussianGuyovich]

*during playoffs*
the lightning are cheating! they circumvented the cap to get keep their stacked team together!

*offseason*
LMAO pay us first round picks to unload these scrubs

 

[Lightning1995]

That puts Tampa at an unfair advantage since their ownership shares are worth more than other team's due to the lack of taxes.

Good point, perhaps mayor Castro can include a municipal annuity to cover the difference

 

[Lightning1995]

*during playoffs*
the lightning are cheating! they circumvented the cap to get keep their stacked team together!

*offseason*
LMAO pay us first round picks to unload these scrubs

Top 6 forward 2 time winning cup…..scrubs!

 

[kings11]

Whether or not a team has to shed salary doesn’t impact trade values except in extreme circumstances. Things are pretty much normal now. Teams have space. No team is going to purposefully hurt their own team just to spite the Bolts. That’s dumb. And the Bolts only need 1 team to get fair market value. They easily get top picks for Palat/Killorn/Gourde. Easily.

Seattle is different since they have the leverage that they get 1 player for free.

Leverage is an extreme circumstance, you obviously don’t understand that. Are Palat/Kilorn/Gourde worth a 1st? Absolutely, especially in a normal year and even more so at the TDL. This isn’t that, while no team would hurt themselves they’re also going to try and likely succeed at screwing you over because you are the competition. How you not understand that is beyond me, those guys you have mentioned are now viewed as dumps! Look no further than Taransenko, TB is hoping Seattle snatched up one of the above to alleviate this issue but I think they go for Foote. I’m sure my Kings would love one or two of those guys but why would we pay anything near fair value? If we say we’d give you Rasmus Kupari and a 3rd for Palat and Kilorn do you say no?

 

[Lightning1995]

Leverage is an extreme circumstance, you obviously don’t understand that. Are Palat/Kilorn/Gourde worth a 1st? Absolutely, especially in a normal year and even more so at the TDL. This isn’t that, while no team would hurt themselves they’re also going to try and likely succeed at screwing you over because you are the competition. How you not understand that is beyond me, those guys you have mentioned are now viewed as dumps! Look no further than Taransenko, TB is hoping Seattle snatched up one of the above to alleviate this issue but I think they go for Foote. I’m sure my Kings would love one or two of those guys but why would we pay anything near fair value? If we say we’d give you Rasmus Kupari and a 3rd for Palat and Kilorn do you say no?

Your scenario only works if there is a single bidder. The minute multiple teams are involved the equation changes

 

[RussianGuyovich]

I’m sure my Kings would love one or two of those guys but why would we pay anything near fair value? If we say we’d give you Rasmus Kupari and a 3rd for Palat and Kilorn do you say no?

because you're still competing with 30 other teams? leverage is real, but you're over-exaggerating it. this is not a vacuum, and as it been said: no one is colluding to hurt Tampa no matter how much hand-wringing comes from HF posters

 

[kinghock]

Leverage is an extreme circumstance, you obviously don’t understand that. Are Palat/Kilorn/Gourde worth a 1st? Absolutely, especially in a normal year and even more so at the TDL. This isn’t that, while no team would hurt themselves they’re also going to try and likely succeed at screwing you over because you are the competition. How you not understand that is beyond me, those guys you have mentioned are now viewed as dumps! Look no further than Taransenko, TB is hoping Seattle snatched up one of the above to alleviate this issue but I think they go for Foote. I’m sure my Kings would love one or two of those guys but why would we pay anything near fair value? If we say we’d give you Rasmus Kupari and a 3rd for Palat and Kilorn do you say no?

I would keep Rasmus Kupari for better trades (young defensemen).

 

[theimmortal1]

Leverage is an extreme circumstance, you obviously don’t understand that. Are Palat/Kilorn/Gourde worth a 1st? Absolutely, especially in a normal year and even more so at the TDL. This isn’t that, while no team would hurt themselves they’re also going to try and likely succeed at screwing you over because you are the competition. How you not understand that is beyond me, those guys you have mentioned are now viewed as dumps! Look no further than Taransenko, TB is hoping Seattle snatched up one of the above to alleviate this issue but I think they go for Foote. I’m sure my Kings would love one or two of those guys but why would we pay anything near fair value? If we say we’d give you Rasmus Kupari and a 3rd for Palat and Kilorn do you say no?

If that’s the offer we bring that offer to a dozen other teams and they’ll gladly beat it.

Yes we are the competition. But so are you. Why would other teams want their competition to get a good player for under market value when they themselves could get said player?

Your scenario works if it’s only one team in play. The Lightning can deal with the entire league.

 

[theimmortal1]

20-30 points, yeah.

What? He has always been a 50 point guy when he gets decent line mates. The team has been stacked so he’s been stuck with Maroon.

 

[theimmortal1]

because you're still competing with 30 other teams? leverage is real, but you're over-exaggerating it. this is not a vacuum, and as it been said: no one is colluding to hurt Tampa no matter how much hand-wringing comes from HF posters

It’s crazy. It’s like HF posters really think 30 GMs will sit around and be like “XYZ team getting Palat for a 5th, but in a few months we will use a 1st to get him at the TDL”

It’s like a hatred for the Lightning is stronger than their desire to improve their own team

 

[kings11]

If that’s the offer we bring that offer to a dozen other teams and they’ll gladly beat it.

Yes we are the competition. But so are you. Why would other teams want their competition to get a good player for under market value when they themselves could get said player?

Your scenario works if it’s only one team in play. The Lightning can deal with the entire league.

No the Kings aren’t your competition nor are other similar teams like the Ducks, Sabres and other bottom rung teams. With that said, what team is offering a 1st for Palat, 1st for Kilorn and a 1st for Gourde?

 

[theimmortal1]

No the Kings aren’t your competition nor are other similar teams like the Ducks, Sabres and other bottom rung teams. With that said, what team is offering a 1st for Palat, 1st for Kilorn and a 1st for Gourde?

All teams are competition for all teams.

You are a Kings fan. Would you not want the Kings to beat a low ball offer by a team like the Ducks?

That directly hurts your team. What is the logic in that?

 

[kings11]

because you're still competing with 30 other teams? leverage is real, but you're over-exaggerating it. this is not a vacuum, and as it been said: no one is colluding to hurt Tampa no matter how much hand-wringing comes from HF posters

No they’re not colluding but they also aren’t going to help you with a fair trade. Depending on how this expansion draft shakes out with the Kraken and the trades they make, teams with cap space now could find themselves out all over again.
A good GM knows that Tampa is $10 mill over, will need to pay Point, Serg and Erik the next two seasons and will pay pennies on the dollar. Look at Nashville to get an idea of what your returns will likely be

 

[periferal]

Totally psyched to watch Stamkos go on LTIR for 21-22 due to "post traumatic cup celebrating" or something like that.


See you in the spring Stammer.

 

[kings11]

All teams are competition for all teams.

You are a Kings fan. Would you not want the Kings to beat a low ball offer by a team like the Ducks?

That directly hurts your team. What is the logic in that?

Why? Think about that, why?
There’s so much talent available with the expansion draft, buyouts and UFA that it’s become a buyers market.
Granted, I should have just said that lol… it’s a buyers market that will stagnate the market.. also, take a peak at what these young Dman are getting to have an idea of what Serg and Cernak will try to get and Point is a $9 mill per player on the lightning… so again, leverage

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'm not interested in plan A, I'm interested to know plan B?

 

[theimmortal1]

Why? Think about that, why?
There’s so much talent available with the expansion draft, buyouts and UFA that it’s become a buyers market.
Granted, I should have just said that lol… it’s a buyers market that will stagnate the market.. also, take a peak at what these young Dman are getting to have an idea of what Serg and Cernak will try to get and Point is a $9 mill per player on the lightning… so again, leverage

Your team just traded a 2nd and 3rd for Arvidsson. Palat, Killorn and Gourde are all better.

So as a Kings fan you’d be happy to trade what you did for Arvidsson and then watch a team in your division give up less for a better player?