A lot of noisy deck shuffling and headlines, but without 2) MUCH better team D, 3) more depth scoring and the big NUMBER 1), a resurgent Vasy, none of this will make much of difference. And yes, I understand that 2 and 1 go together, but the folks who think that all of Vasy's problems were because of the D in front of him are kidding themselves. He has to be much better in his own right.I'm in the camp of we got better but only by a little. We still need to make something happen to bring more scoring depth.
Agreed. As of now... if he rounds out the bottom six, we'll be a better team than last season by a good stretch but it still leaves us with a hole in the top 6 though. That's quite the hole considering you could fill it with a 30 goal guy in Stamkos... bold move cotton.Repeating everyone elses sentiment, we are only marginally better if we don't bring Stamkos back.
This is kind of the absurd part of contracts. On one hand, a player turns 30 and suddenly he's lost his legs, is worth half what he was when he was 29, etc. You sign a guy in his prime to his years where there's decline. So 9M at 34-37 is THREE TIMES the AAV we are offering Stamkos. On the other hand, you'd never get Guentzel at 9M X 4 years for example, but you also don't get Stamkos at 3M either at 34 years old.I know the term had to be there to get the deal done, but that 9M a year is gonna look brutal in 4-5 years. We don't even want to pay Stamkos 4M at age 34 lol
I mean, yeah, but one of those guys got to play with Kucherov. We have seen the PP be lethal without Stamkos.Is Guentzel replacing Stamkos on the PP too?
Guentzel had 5g 22 points
Stamkos had 19g 39 points
Substantial drop in production
Gotta imagine it's his if Stamkos leaves
We just picked up a #1 Left Winger, some of you will never be happy. The team is already better by their defensive moves, for how long who knows but the team is better. Vasy needs to be better, but I strongly disagree with the take that these moves are just "headlines" and don't mean anything for this years team, which is what you're implying.A lot of noisy deck shuffling and headlines, but without 2) MUCH better team D, 3) more depth scoring and the big NUMBER 1), a resurgent Vasy, none of this will make much of difference. And yes, I understand that 2 and 1 go together, but the folks who think that all of Vasy's problems were because of the D in front of him are kidding themselves. He has to be much better in his own right.
I agree on the last point. It still seems insane to me to let Stamkos walk when he's willing to stay for a couple of bags of cheetos.I know the term had to be there to get the deal done, but that 9M a year is gonna look brutal in 4-5 years. We don't even want to pay Stamkos 4M at age 34 lol
My ideal lineup would be Stamkos, some like Mantha on the cheap to prove themselves again, and a bottom 6 forward with size and grit on the cheap like Raddysh etcI don’t see us being cup contenders unless we also bring Stamkos back…otherwise this just makes us marginally better. (Also, dump Sheary for f***s sake).
I've always heard Mantha has a shit mindset and quits on plays. He seems to score against us quite a bit, but apart from that and size, I'm not really sold on him.My ideal lineup would be Stamkos, some like Mantha on the cheap to prove themselves again, and a bottom 6 forward with size and grit on the cheap like Raddysh etc
Guentzal Point Kucherov
Hagel Stamkos Mantha
Paul Cirelli Essymont
Motte Glendenning Raddysh/Chaffee
Extra AHL callup league minimum
I've always heard Mantha has a shit mindset and quits on plays. He seems to score against us quite a bit, but apart from that and size, I'm not really sold on him.
I mean... we're losing Stamkos. So we picked up a #1 winger whose best season was roughly what Stamkos just did.We just picked up a #1 Left Winger, some of you will never be happy. The team is already better by their defensive moves, for how long who knows but the team is better. Vasy needs to be better, but I strongly disagree with the take that these moves are just "headlines" and don't mean anything for this years team, which is what you're implying.
I see both sides, obviously favor bringing back Stamkos but we have over 7M to work with. I'd like to see what happens. As of right now, we are a better team by a good stretch. Our issue was defense and you could say we bolstered it with two top 4 defenseman. Guenztel helps 5v5 but the issue is still one legit top 6 hole and a change to the PP.I mean... we're losing Stamkos. So we picked up a #1 winger whose best season was roughly what Stamkos just did.
I like the Guentzel signing a lot. And yeah, in general, he's a better player than Stamkos. But this only makes us a little better than last year so far.
I have to believe it is more about the structure than the money. Next 2 years cap rises significantly. If Stamkos wants to stay I would bet there is a lucrative avenue for him to get it done. I think he wants to explore FA and specifically see what Yzerman offers in DET.I see both sides, obviously favor bringing back Stamkos but we have over 7M to work with. I'd like to see what happens. As of right now, we are a better team by a good stretch. Our issue was defense and you could say we bolstered it with two top 4 defenseman. Guenztel helps 5v5 but the issue is still one legit top 6 hole and a change to the PP.
You're basing this on literally nothing though. Every report, and there are a lot of them, says Stamkos wants to return to TB.I have to believe it is more about the structure than the money. Next 2 years cap rises significantly. If Stamkos wants to stay I would bet there is a lucrative avenue for him to get it done. I think he wants to explore FA and specifically see what Yzerman offers in DET.