Player Discussion Lias Andersson

[McRanger]

Two guys that were already very good NHL players at this age.

Andersson has more NHL points at his age than Derek Stepan, Brad Richards, Chris Kreider, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello and Derick Brassard combined.

He has less points than Manny Malhotra.

Translation: it doesn’t matter.

 

[ElLeetch]

Give me a 40-50 point player who plays well in all 3 zones and steps up big time for the bigger games,and ill personally be thrilled with that.

Is that good value at 7-OA?

The Other recent 7OAs: Clayton Keller, Ivan Provorov, Haydn Fleury, Darnell Nurse, Mathew Dumba, Mark Scheifele, Jeff Skinner, Nazem Kadri, Jakub Voracek.

Thats a lot of big names there, with a lot of production. All but Fleury and Nurse are 1-line/pair talents.

 

[McRanger]

Is that good value at 7-OA?

The Other recent 7OAs: Clayton Keller, Ivan Provorov, Haydn Fleury, Darnell Nurse, Mathew Dumba, Mark Scheifele, Jeff Skinner, Nazem Kadri, Jakub Voracek.

Thats a lot of big names there, with a lot of production. All but Fleury and Nurse are 1-line/pair talents.

It depends on the draft.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Is that good value at 7-OA?

The Other recent 7OAs: Clayton Keller, Ivan Provorov, Haydn Fleury, Darnell Nurse, Mathew Dumba, Mark Scheifele, Jeff Skinner, Nazem Kadri, Jakub Voracek.

Thats a lot of big names there, with a lot of production. All but Fleury and Nurse are 1-line/pair talents.

Funny you include Scheifele and Kadri since those 2 barely played any NHL games in their firsts 2 seasons after being drafted.

 

[Dijock94]

Funny you include Scheifele and Kadri since those 2 barely played any NHL games in their firsts 2 seasons after being drafted.

Only thing I can see is I don’t see the potential in Lias to get to where those players are, but yes he’s still really young. I also can be wrong, tends to happen regularly.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Only thing I can see is I don’t see the potential in Lias to get to where those players are, but yes he’s still really young. I also can be wrong, tends to happen regularly.

Lias outperformed Kostin, Tolvanen and Kostin this season who are considered great prospects. Fans tend to focus on the negatives with their own prospects, and on the positives with other team's prospects.

 

[Dijock94]

Lias outperformed Kostin, Tolvanen and Kostin this season who are considered great prospects. Fans tend to focus on the negatives with their own prospects, and on the positives with other team's prospects.

This is true, but I’m assuming everyone was hoping for a Keller type talent at 7OA. Lias just doesn’t show any particular offensive skill to get you excited, I think that’s why everyone is very Meh on him. He is smart and plays well in the corners and net front, but I figure everyone was hoping for a dynamic talent.

Swap Chytil and Andersson’s draft positions and I think everyone is much happier with the draft.

Also we were really close to Pettersson so that makes it a bit sad too.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

This is true, but I’m assuming everyone was hoping for a Keller type talent at 7OA. Lias just doesn’t show any particular offensive skill to get you excited, I think that’s why everyone is very Meh on him. He is smart and plays well in the corners and net front, but I figure everyone was hoping for a dynamic talent.

Swap Chytil and Andersson’s draft positions and I think everyone is much happier with the draft.

Also we were really close to Pettersson so that makes it a bit sad too.

2017 was a weak draft and really not top-heavy. That has to be taken into consideration as well. Look at the 3-4 players picked after Lias. it was not a bad pick

And no, I am not convinced Mittelstadt is better than Lias

 

[Dijock94]

2017 was a weak draft and really not top-heavy. That has to be taken into consideration as well. Look at the 3-4 players picked after Lias. it was not a bad pick

And no, I am not convinced Mittelstadt is better than Lias

Neither am I, I think Mittlestadt is highly overrated. Hopefully Lias becomes a really solid middle 6 center.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Neither am I, I think Mittlestadt is highly overrated. Hopefully Lias becomes a really solid middle 6 center.

Expecting Clayton Keller just shows me people don't know how to evaluate the draft.

The only player I would take over Lias Andersson at 7 on draft day is Erik Brannstrom and that would have been a very unpopular pick at the time. More so than Lias

 

[Dijock94]

Expecting Clayton Keller just shows me people don't know how to evaluate the draft.

The only player I would take over Lias Andersson at 7 on draft day is Erik Brannstrom and that would have been a very unpopular pick at the time. More so than Lias

I wanted Mittlestadt but I’m glad we didn’t take him. I like Lias I just hope he gets a little more agility and explosiveness in his skating. If he can do that he will find a little more room out there to get his shot off, he has a fantastic shot.

 

[stan the caddy]

They never had to trade for that pick. Obviously the front office liked what they saw. So they don't get to use the old "it was a week draft class" like everyone else.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

They never had to trade for that pick. Obviously the front office liked what they saw. So they don't get to use the old "it was a week draft class" like everyone else.

They also tried to move up from 7 after they got it, so it’s kind of a wash

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

They also tried to move up from 7 after they got it, so it’s kind of a wash

It has been reported that Pettersson was their no 1 target, Cody Glass their no 2

 

[stan the caddy]

They also tried to move up from 7 after they got it, so it’s kind of a wash

Yea, but they didn't. All it amounts to is "well, we had a plan."

 

[stan the caddy]

It has been reported that Pettersson was their no 1 target, Cody Glass their no 2

And Sather wanted Stamkos back in the day but he didn't get him so congrats for having a good idea that you couldn't pull off.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

And Sather wanted Stamkos back in the day but he didn't get him so congrats for having a good idea that you couldn't pull off.

This makes no sense at all

 

[ThirdEye]

Is that good value at 7-OA?

The Other recent 7OAs: Clayton Keller, Ivan Provorov, Haydn Fleury, Darnell Nurse, Mathew Dumba, Mark Scheifele, Jeff Skinner, Nazem Kadri, Jakub Voracek.

Thats a lot of big names there, with a lot of production. All but Fleury and Nurse are 1-line/pair talents.

Provorov has regressed and Dumba/Kadri are definitely not first line talents

Getting a 2nd line player at 7OA, especially one with many intangibles, is a win in my book

 

[stan the caddy]

This makes no sense at all

"We wanted to move up/draft someone better" is a pretty bad excuse.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

"We wanted to move up/draft someone better" is a pretty bad excuse.

They did not trade Derek Stepan just so they could pick someone in the draft. There's more to it than that. They wanted to trade Stepan because they wanted to retool/go with a younger team.

The trade and whoever we draft should be judged separate

 

[dangsLITE]

As of today, he officially has more points in his career than McIlrath

 

[gravey9]

With the emergence of Tony D'Angelo, we should all just calm down about Lias. Let him develop at whatever pace he needs. If D'Angelo becomes a 50-60 pt RD the trade is at the very least a break-even. But likely a win as he's now a building block for the rebuild. If Lias becomes a 3rd line center who plays in all situations, agitates and scores 35-40 pts a year, the trade is lopsided in our favor. Anything above that, the trade is unquestionably great. Let's give it time.

 

[duhmetreE]

With the emergence of Tony D'Angelo, we should all just calm down about Lias. Let him develop at whatever pace he needs. If D'Angelo becomes a 50-60 pt RD the trade is at the very least a break-even. But likely a win as he's now a building block for the rebuild. If Lias becomes a 3rd line center who plays in all situations, agitates and scores 35-40 pts a year, the trade is lopsided in our favor. Anything above that, the trade is unquestionably great. Let's give it time.

We've already won the trade and it wasn't meant to be successful this fast.

Have you seen Stepan? He was a 50pt player with PP1 time. Now, he's a 30-40pt player @ $6.5M.

To get Lias Andersson and Tony D for that is highway robbery.

 

[UnSandvich]

We've already won the trade and it wasn't meant to be successful this fast.

Have you seen Stepan? He was a 50pt player with PP1 time. Now, he's a 30-40pt player @ $6.5M.

To get Lias Andersson and Tony D for that is highway robbery.

To be fair, we also gave up Raanta. Who's been injured all season

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

To be fair, we also gave up Raanta. Who's been injured all season

Backup goalies have very limited value, especially if they aren't cost-controlled (RFA years)