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Prospect Info: Lias Andersson

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FultonReed said:
almost every forward is left handed. unreal.


this kid is going to have played a ton of hockey by the end of the year.
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It won't be that bad. There are basically 2 options:

North America and he plays 60-80 games
Europe and he plays 60-80 games

In the SHL it will be max 52 games
In the Champions Hockey League it will be 6 group stage games and max 9 in the later stages
EHT can be up to 12 games with Sweden
World Juniors is 7 max (if Sweden reaches the semis

That together is 78 games, which can be a bit more if Frolunda reaches the SHL play-offs. But the same goes for the Rangers or Wolf Pack, if he is on the team
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
It won't be that bad. There are basically 2 options:

North America and he plays 60-80 games
Europe and he plays 60-80 games

In the SHL it will be max 52 games
In the Champions Hockey League it will be 6 group stage games and max 9 in the later stages
EHT can be up to 12 games with Sweden
World Juniors is 7 max (if Sweden reaches the semis

That together is 78 games, which can be a bit more if Frolunda reaches the SHL play-offs. But the same goes for the Rangers or Wolf Pack, if he is on the team
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Right. And the EHT, guys usually play in one or two of the tournaments but not all four. Same Champions League--a lot of times teams recall players from their lower affiliates to take in a couple games. I'd guess he plays about 65-70 games all told.
 
Jonas1235 said:
how about this.. Lias Andersson makes 2018 Olympic team if not in NHL?>
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so if he makes NYR team in fall,
release him to WJC,
after which assign to Frolunda,
who releases him to Swedish Olympic team,
bring him back after SHL season ends
 
Edge said:
Vegas had a hell of a draft.
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True. I just really don't get what they're trying to do. They're geographically closest to a franchise that is struggling, they're in a very untraditional market, and they appear to be comfortable just throwing away any and all chance of success over their first few years as a franchise.

I get the general idea of hording picks and prospects in general hoping to get some insane elite talents, but they're not a 100 year old franchise that has already had it's glory days – they're a totally new team in a very questionable location. Having something that resembles mild success to start would be good for them and for the league you'd think.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
It won't be that bad. There are basically 2 options:

North America and he plays 60-80 games
Europe and he plays 60-80 games

In the SHL it will be max 52 games
In the Champions Hockey League it will be 6 group stage games and max 9 in the later stages
EHT can be up to 12 games with Sweden
World Juniors is 7 max (if Sweden reaches the semis

That together is 78 games, which can be a bit more if Frolunda reaches the SHL play-offs. But the same goes for the Rangers or Wolf Pack, if he is on the team
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for an 18 year old kid, it's a whole bunch of travel and important games. weighs on the mind. should be a great learning experience, though.

think he'll be in Sweden this season.
 
FultonReed said:
for an 18 year old kid, it's a whole bunch of travel and important games. weighs on the mind. should be a great learning experience, though.

think he'll be in Sweden this season.
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Traveling to, and playing in so many different countries is great for his development on a personal level. I know how traveling for work around the world changed me as a person
 
haveandare said:
True. I just really don't get what they're trying to do. They're geographically closest to a franchise that is struggling, they're in a very untraditional market, and they appear to be comfortable just throwing away any and all chance of success over their first few years as a franchise.

I get the general idea of hording picks and prospects in general hoping to get some insane elite talents, but they're not a 100 year old franchise that has already had it's glory days – they're a totally new team in a very questionable location. Having something that resembles mild success to start would be good for them and for the league you'd think.
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Few thoughts, some of which are from having lived in Vegas.

Vegas is a very different market from Phoenix in a number of ways, despite their relative proximity (which is still around 5 hours). It's a younger city, it's drawn more families from traditional markets, and it gets a lot of more transplants from places like Southern California, and people who got into hockey in the last 30 years or so.

I think their chances for success was a relative term. I'm not sure they were ever more than a borderline playoff team. I think the goal was to not have them resemble the '92 Sharks or the '93 Senators. In that sense, mission accomplished.

Having said that, Vegas is a funny market in the sense that it is always looking for something to call it's own. So the idea of getting young talent that the market can call it's own isn't actually a terrible marketing strategy for the area.

I think people also underestimated how many people move to Vegas from cold weather environments or bigger cities. This isn't like moving a franchise to Raleigh North Carolina or even Atlanta. Vegas pulls from quite a few places, including cities like NY, Chicago, Boston, etc. While those people may have certain loyalties to the places they're from, it's not quite as much of a deal breaker as you'd think. Additionally, it's almost certain that their kids, and there are A LOT of kids in Vegas, will not have those same connections, but have been exposed to the sport by their parents.

They key for Vegas will be drafting and acquiring young talent. I think people in Vegas will be a lot more patient than people think, IF they feel they are getting "their own" stars. Vegas had a promising draft this year. If they add a guy like Dahlin or Svechnikov, it's only going to look more promising.

I see a lot of comments about Vegas, and to be perfectly honest, a lot of them really have no clue what they're talking about. They're either parroting something they heard someone else say, who didn't know what they were talking about, or they're basing it off the small percentage they saw from a vacation. Vegas is a much more complicated and viable market than a lot of people realize.

Now it's up to Vegas' brain trust to push the right buttons.
 
Edge said:
Few thoughts, some of which are from having lived in Vegas.

Vegas is a very different market from Phoenix in a number of ways, despite their relative proximity (which is still around 5 hours). It's a younger city, it's drawn more families from traditional markets, and it gets a lot of more transplants from places like Southern California, and people who got into hockey in the last 30 years or so.

I think their chances for success was a relative term. I'm not sure they were ever more than a borderline playoff team. I think the goal was to not have them resemble the '92 Sharks or the '93 Senators. In that sense, mission accomplished.

Having said that, Vegas is a funny market in the sense that it is always looking for something to call it's own. So the idea of getting young talent that the market can call it's own isn't actually a terrible marketing strategy for the area.

I think people also underestimated how many people move to Vegas from cold weather environments or bigger cities. This isn't like moving a franchise to Raleigh North Carolina or even Atlanta. Vegas pulls from quite a few places, including cities like NY, Chicago, Boston, etc. While those people may have certain loyalties to the places they're from, it's not quite as much of a deal breaker as you'd think. Additionally, it's almost certain that their kids, and there are A LOT of kids in Vegas, will not have those same connections, but have been exposed to the sport by their parents.

They key for Vegas will be drafting and acquiring young talent. I think people in Vegas will be a lot more patient than people think, IF they feel they are getting "their own" stars. Vegas had a promising draft this year. If they add a guy like Dahlin or Svechnikov, it's only going to look more promising.

I see a lot of comments about Vegas, and to be perfectly honest, a lot of them really have no clue what they're talking about. They're either parroting something they heard someone else say, who didn't know what they were talking about, or they're basing it off the small percentage they saw from a vacation. Vegas is a much more complicated and viable market than a lot of people realize.

Now it's up to Vegas' brain trust to push the right buttons.
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I admittedly don't know a ton about Vegas as a city. I'm mainly thinking that if/when they finish bottom of the barrel for the first couple years, there's going to be a lot of talk about how it was a bad decision by the NHL and of course it was a bad decision, it's Vegas and hockey etc. etc. etc.

I'm just shocked that a new team in an untapped market for major league sports in general seems so content to be just terrible for the first few years. In that respect, I'd say the same for any city that doesn't have other major league sports, not just Vegas being a somewhat unique situation. I mean, I look at what they have and I can't imagine how they aren't the worst team in the league by a good margin. Am I crazy on that?

I'm also a firm believer that top young talent needs some top vet talent to look up to and learn from. Its fun in NHL 17 and in the imagination to build a super team of kids all together, but I don't think it quite works that way in reality. For example, to get more on topic, I think Andersson would have a better chance of stepping in here and doing a passable job as a 3C than he would of stepping in on a team like Vegas and doing a passable job as a 3C. I hesitate to compare something like hockey to "normal" jobs, but I think there's a lot of power and confidence that comes from having a solid mentor in any job or position, hockey included.
 
Edge said:
Few thoughts, some of which are from having lived in Vegas.

Vegas is a very different market from Phoenix in a number of ways, despite their relative proximity (which is still around 5 hours). It's a younger city, it's drawn more families from traditional markets, and it gets a lot of more transplants from places like Southern California, and people who got into hockey in the last 30 years or so.

I think their chances for success was a relative term. I'm not sure they were ever more than a borderline playoff team. I think the goal was to not have them resemble the '92 Sharks or the '93 Senators. In that sense, mission accomplished.

Having said that, Vegas is a funny market in the sense that it is always looking for something to call it's own. So the idea of getting young talent that the market can call it's own isn't actually a terrible marketing strategy for the area.

I think people also underestimated how many people move to Vegas from cold weather environments or bigger cities. This isn't like moving a franchise to Raleigh North Carolina or even Atlanta. Vegas pulls from quite a few places, including cities like NY, Chicago, Boston, etc. While those people may have certain loyalties to the places they're from, it's not quite as much of a deal breaker as you'd think. Additionally, it's almost certain that their kids, and there are A LOT of kids in Vegas, will not have those same connections, but have been exposed to the sport by their parents.

They key for Vegas will be drafting and acquiring young talent. I think people in Vegas will be a lot more patient than people think, IF they feel they are getting "their own" stars. Vegas had a promising draft this year. If they add a guy like Dahlin or Svechnikov, it's only going to look more promising.

I see a lot of comments about Vegas, and to be perfectly honest, a lot of them really have no clue what they're talking about. They're either parroting something they heard someone else say, who didn't know what they were talking about, or they're basing it off the small percentage they saw from a vacation. Vegas is a much more complicated and viable market than a lot of people realize.

Now it's up to Vegas' brain trust to push the right buttons.
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I thought they had a assets to put together a decent team but then McPhee went and traded a bunch away for not much. In some cases, I don't like the returns he got for not drafting players. They are way too deep up the center which is a nice problem to have but I mean they could suit 3 helicopter lines at this point. Meanwhile, their RW is quite thin. I understand taking a long term outlook but McPhee has too many players now, not the best team he could have had, and the excess in assets need to be redistributed towards younger players they can braise in the minors or draft picks.
 
To be honest I think they're actually banking on initial enthusiasm making up for a probably mediocre on ice showing the first couple of years. People kind of expect expansion teams to be bad, but if they lay the foundation for the team to improve organically through the draft and young players then it may increase that enthusiasm even more. People will put up with some poor years and be excited about the young "star"players developing and a few years down the line when they're a young team pushing for a playoff spot people will be excited, and they should probably start adding in other important pieces through free agency, trades, etc
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Traveling to, and playing in so many different countries is great for his development on a personal level. I know how traveling for work around the world changed me as a person
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I agree with this. dunno if you thought I suggested different, but I did say it would be a great learning experience for him lol

want him to soak up as much as he can. want him to work personally with Joel, purely for professional reasons
 
Amazing Kreiderman is barely a top-6 forward these days. He skates in mud.
 
Vegas will always sell a ton of seats through their casinos. If the team sucks and their initial season ticket block dries up they will still crush attendance. Selling out 40 home games with the amount of visitors they get is going to be the easiest thing in the world.
 
kovazub94 said:
Eh, I don't have numbers to back it up but based on my eye-test this stat is misleading if taken out of context.
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I'm 32 and they started tracking these since I was 18. That's a large enough sample size. My expected shots/60 has gone down a bit as I got older. Especially tequila
 
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