Prospect Info: Lias Andersson
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Me too. Something about mediocre fringe swedes that I've always appreciated.
I miss Peter Andersson and Johan Lindbom.
Aahlstroem
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When does the training camp start? Frölunda will start their preseason games 10th August and then CHL starts 24th August. Artturi Lehkonen had played four CHL-games before joining Montreal last season. Lias might join the training camp with some games played already, would that make it easier for him to make the team?
BBKers
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The NHL season starts on October 4. 20 day training camp. September 13 training camp opens. Traverse City is the weekend of September 8-11. Andersson will be in Traverse City for the rookie tournament. The players start coming in a few days before. September 4-6.
BBKers
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I heard just yesterday that Frölunda now thinks Andersson is a really dark horse to play in Sweden next season altogether. Sounds like he is determined on coming over, likely to stay in either NYC or Hatford.
Irishguy42
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Mac n Gs
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silverfish
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Except Andersson blows his scoring rates pre-draft and draft year out of the water
Adjust for age. If Andersson was born a month earlier, where does he go in the 2016 draft? I'm not trying to be overtly difficult, but I think this designation, when comparing to a "comparable player" is important.
Only fair to point out that the last pick I disliked this much was Kreider. So my judgment tends to be terrible
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FultonReed
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if he has the determination that Shoe had, I'll be pretty stoked. dude played balls out. I'll never forget that shootout goal he scored against Pitt in 08-09(?) after Zherdev tied it up late.
he's at the Swedish WJC evaluation camp, correct? a few games will be televised next week from the tourney
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Mac n Gs
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Adjust for age. If Andersson was born a month earlier, where does he go in the 2016 draft? I'm not trying to be overtly difficult, but I think this designation, when comparing to a "comparable player" is important.
Only fair to point out that the last pick I disliked this much was Kreider. So my judgment tends to be terrible
Canucks army has there whole model that adjusts for age, league, etc. Andersson stills rates out favorably (although their input numbers on Middlestadt are incorrect). FWIW, I did want Middlestadt, but I still like the LA pick a lot. I'm still more upset about not taking Reedy who was Stepan 2.0 in the 4th round.
offdacrossbar
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insert any average swedish forward here as a comparison for this kid to continue to marginalize him.
like when one of the draft talking heads said some thing about jesper fast after we grabbed lias and the lemmings here all freaked out saying "OMG we drafted jesper fast at #7" ???? !!!
this kid is the complete package. talent, smarts, compete level, swagger, confidence and a winning attitude.
he's gonna surprise some of us but not me.
this isnt mcilrath at 10 in 2010.
i kid! i kid! (kind of)
silverfish
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Sjostrom is a good comparable right now, whether you like it or not
Sjostrom wasn't an 'average Swedish forward' when he was drafted 11th overall.Sjostrom was drafted because they thought his offense would continue to develop. It didn't. He become a formidable bottom-6 NHLer. Whether or not we want to believe it, this is a possible career path for LA, as well. Just as it's possible that it won't be. But you won't find me blindly ignoring the pessimistic route this kid's development may follow.
Which player is Sjostrom, and which player is Andersson?
This table is missing 17 year old SuperElit data. Player A - 1 point per game. Player B - 1.6 points per game.
I didn't include their 18 year old-seasons, because Sjostrom came to NA and played in the WHL that year.
I'm not out here guaranteeing that LA is going to bust. But I'd be a lot more hesitant than some posters are about this kid being a guarantee to be an effective "2C" at a minimum in the NHL.
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offdacrossbar
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Sjostrom is a good comparable right now, whether you like it or not
Sjostrom was drafted because they thought his offense would continue to develop. It didn't. He become a formidable bottom-6 NHLer. Whether or not we want to believe it, this is a possible career path for LA, as well. Just as it's possible that it won't be. But you won't find me blindly ignoring the pessimistic route this kid's development may follow.
any argument using draft position is inherently weak. its irrelevant really.
in comparing the 2 skillsets when they were drafted and at a similar age, there isnt anything to indicate that lias will follow the sjostrom development curve or lack there of.
i take exception to anyone who uses the logic that because he was (in their opinion) chosen "too high" or was a "reach", that makes him an inferior or limited upside player.
silverfish
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It's so funny to me that you'll say: "any argument using draft position is inherently weak. its irrelevant really."
And then your entire argument is: "in comparing the 2 skillsets when they were drafted and at a similar age, there isnt anything to indicate that lias will follow the sjostrom development curve or lack there of."
Guess I'll just have to take your word for it since you have absolutely zero factual evidence to back this up.
Irishguy42
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I think he'll be great, but let's see where we're at a year from now. Or at least, wait until we find out where he's actually playing.
I think he'll have the best chance to succeed if he plays a full year in Frolunda.
I think he'll have the best chance to succeed if he plays a full year in Frolunda.
Sjostrom is a good comparable right now, whether you like it or not
Sjostrom was drafted because they thought his offense would continue to develop. It didn't. He become a formidable bottom-6 NHLer. Whether or not we want to believe it, this is a possible career path for LA, as well. Just as it's possible that it won't be. But you won't find me blindly ignoring the pessimistic route this kid's development may follow.
Which player is Sjostrom, and which player is Andersson?
I didn't include their 18 year old-seasons, because Sjostrom came to NA and played in the WHL that year.
I'm not out here guaranteeing that LA is going to bust. But I'd be a lot more hesitant than some posters are about this kid being a guarantee to be an effective "2C" at a minimum in the NHL.
I dislike excluding the 18 year old season because of the massive amount of development these kids can be going through at these ages. How they performed at age 18 in their draft year is far more important than how they performed at age 16
This is just a general statement. Comparing two players but leaving out the most recent possible year to compare them is faulty IMO. I know it's hard to compare across leagues but when you're already comparing across decades you might as well make the effort if you want to make any real point.
Inferno
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Sjostrom is a good comparable right now, whether you like it or not
Sjostrom was drafted because they thought his offense would continue to develop. It didn't. He become a formidable bottom-6 NHLer. Whether or not we want to believe it, this is a possible career path for LA, as well. Just as it's possible that it won't be. But you won't find me blindly ignoring the pessimistic route this kid's development may follow.
Which player is Sjostrom, and which player is Andersson?
I didn't include their 18 year old-seasons, because Sjostrom came to NA and played in the WHL that year.
I'm not out here guaranteeing that LA is going to bust. But I'd be a lot more hesitant than some posters are about this kid being a guarantee to be an effective "2C" at a minimum in the NHL.
When Sjostrom was 18 he played for Frolunda with Henrik. He had 2 goals and 3 assists in 31 games. No other forward on that team who played at least 20 games scored fewer points.
When Lias Andersson was 17-18..he played for HV71. He scored 19 points in 42 games. and another 5 in 16 playoff games. There were 8 other forwards who scored more than him..5 who scored fewer.
I don't think they compare all that well at all TBH. youre talking almost 4 times the production (granted in more games played) and a top 9 player...and wasnt he a top 6 in the playoffs?
not sure i agree with this assessment.
Were there better players available? Its definitely possible..this was the draft i literally didnt pay any attention to at all, so i have no clue..but strictly as a numbers guy, im not sure thats a far comparison.
I mean, Nicklas Backstrom has 26 points in 46 games played at the same age in the SEL (.565 VS .463)...to me thats a closer comparison, in the other direction than Sjostrom is (.161 VS .463)
Inferno
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Sjostrom and Andersson were both the same starting age in the season i posted.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0070502017.html
Starting Age 17
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0023372001.html
Starting Age 17
unless im missing something.
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0070502017.html
Starting Age 17
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0023372001.html
Starting Age 17
unless im missing something.
edit again because I don't like how I wrote this post. silverfish you seem to be trying to justify your dislike of the Andersson pick by cherry picking some stats and making assertions that you aren't backing up very well. It's cool if you don't like the pick though, your justifications to the rest of us just don't quite seem to be there IMO
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HatTrick Swayze
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Adjust for age. If Andersson was born a month earlier, where does he go in the 2016 draft? I'm not trying to be overtly difficult, but I think this designation, when comparing to a "comparable player" is important.
Only fair to point out that the last pick I disliked this much was Kreider. So my judgment tends to be terrible
Not to mention icetime as well. Everyone immediately both discounts SEL scoring and brings up F Forsberg/Backstrom as scoring comparables. Yet Lias by all accounts was the 2C by the end of the year. What does his production look like relative to role over time? To the icetime/roles of those comps?
Why wasn't Lias Anderssons 17yo SuperElit stats included? He torched that league in that season, posted some very elite numbers.
silverfish
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Your ages are off. When Sjostrom was 18, he was in the WHL. You're talking about his 17 year old SHL season in the bolded above.
The underlined is Andersson's most recent season, his 18 year old year. You're comparing Sjostrom 17 to Andersson 18.
He did, but there are no Sjostrom numbers to compare it to. I didn't want to compare across leagues.
EDIT - Wait, no, you're right. Sjostrom played 7 SuperElit games in his 17 year old year. 1 point per game. Andersson was at 1.6. Thanks for catching that.
Yes. I'm cherry-picking by justifying my comparison with points-per-games from players who played in the same league for their development. God forbid someone makes an argument on HF that isn't "I'm right because I say so".
I don't know how many times I can say that I'm not saying for a fact that Andersson is going to be another Sjostrom. All I'm saying is that they are comparable.
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So showing his 0 PPG in SHL as a pure depth player with barely any ice-time instead of showing his numbers where he torched SuperElit is better then comparing across leagues?
Seems like ur driving i pretty hard narrative here
Seems like ur driving i pretty hard narrative here
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