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Prospect Info: Lias Andersson

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Inferno said:
im kinda falling down the rabbit hole looking at some of bergerons underlying numbers...they almost paint a legitimate case that he belongs in the hall of fame..
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Absolutely belongs IMO. Has at least 5 seasons where he finished Top-10 in center AS voting, in addition to Selkes, longevity, playoff production.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Duclair, who was really given every opportunity to stick with the team.
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Oh yeah forgot about him, but yeah they did give him a fair shake until it showed he should go back down.

Steve Kournianos said:
How is it weird in a thread where people are penciling him in for Opening Night?

Too many factors point to Andersson playing in the AHL or returning to Sweden.
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It's weird because your questions implies that the Rangers have had a number of teenage centers that AV has refused to play, when as far as I can remember it's like 1 teenage winger that got a decent look.

If the idea is "I don't think AV will trust a teenage rookie to play realistically important center minutes" then sure, that could be the case, but it's not like there's any real track record either way to make assertions off of.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
Few things,


4) AV has zero patience with youngsters unless they are responsible defensively, which means he's more inclined to use them as checkers. If Andersson is a checker at 19 in the NHL, you run the risk of him checking his entire career.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in letting Andersson stay in Europe for next season, assume a Top-3/6 role and get used to playing against top matchups. This kid was a 7th overall pick -- you want him to become a star, not a replacement for Jesper Fast.

If the Rangers are going to rely on a kid next year, let it be Buchnevich -- a prospect with legit star potential further along in his development. I'd rather Andersson make his NHL debut along side established point producers after he's improved his own playmaking skills.
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Absolutely agree. I'd rather him returning to Europe if the alternative is 4C role.

If he did stick with the Rangers I wouldn't even mind him playing the wing while Miller shifted to center.
 
Levitate said:
I keep wondering how much of the "Andersson doesn't have a high ceiling, limited offense" talk is because he's not flashy, not that he doesn't have good offensive skills.

Like, sometimes you watch guys especially in juniors and they're flashy and they're obviously high skill dangling all over making highlight plays. Then maybe you have guys who just get the job done, kind of like you mentioned Alfie and Zetterberg. Hell, I"ve always been underwhelmed watching Zetterberg play, except he somehow puts up points. It's the guys who don't dangle around all the time or look flashy but are in the right places at the right times and have the shot and instincts to put the puck away.

So, how much of it is Andersson just having straightforward skills that aren't flashy but get the job done and how much of it is really lack of offensive skills.

I mean personally I have no idea, I'm just wondering
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Yeah I agree for sure, and I also think it plays a part that he played in the SHL and not in the U18 WJCs this season. He is definitely not less flashy than Cody Glass and guys like that.
 
duclair and andersson are worlds apart as players.

theres a need and an open spot for someone to grab in the middle. right now, and listening to lias, he knows that and expects to grab it. good for him. im pulling hard for him.

its not like we need a kid to steal a spot from a vet or established roster player. andersson has a spot there if he can show in camp that he's ready. expectations aside, this kid may well be ready to play meaningful minutes either at the 3 or the 4. if he's one of the top 12 most talented forwards, give him a jersey.

AV uses 4 lines. he rolls 4 lines and always has. playing the 3 or the 4 doesnt mean garbage time. lias will play and his development as the 4C on this team will not be suppressed one bit relative to playing in the A for sure or even back in sweden.

this kid has a legit chance to stick. if he earns it, let him play.
 
offdacrossbar said:
duclair and andersson are worlds apart as players.

theres a need and an open spot for someone to grab in the middle. right now, and listening to lias, he knows that and expects to grab it. good for him. im pulling hard for him.

its not like we need a kid to steal a spot from a vet or established roster player. andersson has a spot there if he can show in camp that he's ready. expectations aside, this kid may well be ready to play meaningful minutes either at the 3 or the 4. if he's one of the top 12 most talented forwards, give him a jersey.

AV uses 4 lines. he rolls 4 lines and always has. playing the 3 or the 4 doesnt mean garbage time. lias will play and his development as the 4C on this team will not be suppressed one bit relative to playing in the A for sure or even back in sweden.

this kid has a legit chance to stick. if he earns it, let him play.
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This is where we disagree. He needs minutes and an opportunity to development all areas of his game. Having a 4C role would note be conducive to developing offensive game. Don't think you'd be able to convince me otherwise.
 
kovazub94 said:
This is where we disagree. He needs minutes and an opportunity to development all areas of his game. Having a 4C role would note be conducive to developing offensive game. Don't think you'd be able to convince me otherwise.
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What if the fourth line has Grabner on it :naughty:
 
WHat's Frolunda's centre depth like? Would he get top 6 minutes there or would he likely get more playing time with the Pack?
 
mike14 said:
WHat's Frolunda's centre depth like? Would he get top 6 minutes there or would he likely get more playing time with the Pack?
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I have no idea, but doing a rudimentary comparison of the point totals from the guys who played on Frolunda last year and what Andersson produced in the league, he'd be 8th on that team in scoring (among forwards and in fewer games). Their top center was an Islanders prospect who signed in the KHL. Behind him was good old Joel Lundqvist. I'm not sure which of their other guys play C or if they added any others. Just looking at the picture in this way though and you'd think he probably have a shot to at least compete for a top six spot.

I really don't know anything about Frolunda though, I could be way wrong.
 
I watch all Frölunda games and Lias would easily be a top6 center on the team this year, their 1st line would probably be Grundström(leafs prospect)/Andersson/Lasch
 
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I think this kid's more rounded and pro ready than Duke. They'd be the same age if they make the Rangers, except Lias has pro experience and is physically mature.

But IMO you are getting Alex Steen at 19.

Steen was not a good player with the Leafs at first, but now he's a complete player. But there is room for Lias to make it.

I think he's got a better shot that some are giving him credit for... but the speed factor will be key I think. The Rangers don't have a single forward from HFD last year that will be an impact player.

Nieves? Maybe... but I just don't see it.

DD? Not much there.

Rangers will need to address the center position some how.
 
offdacrossbar said:
duclair and andersson are worlds apart as players.

theres a need and an open spot for someone to grab in the middle. right now, and listening to lias, he knows that and expects to grab it. good for him. im pulling hard for him.

its not like we need a kid to steal a spot from a vet or established roster player. andersson has a spot there if he can show in camp that he's ready. expectations aside, this kid may well be ready to play meaningful minutes either at the 3 or the 4. if he's one of the top 12 most talented forwards, give him a jersey.

AV uses 4 lines. he rolls 4 lines and always has. playing the 3 or the 4 doesnt mean garbage time. lias will play and his development as the 4C on this team will not be suppressed one bit relative to playing in the A for sure or even back in sweden.

this kid has a legit chance to stick. if he earns it, let him play.
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Completely disagree.. Playing 10-12 minutes on the 4th line <<<<<<<<< playing 15-20 minutes in the A or Sweden
 
Capt McDonut said:
Completely disagree.. Playing 10-12 minutes on the 4th line <<<<<<<<< playing 15-20 minutes in the A or Sweden
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There's also practice... practicing with NHLers >>>>> A or Sweden.

He's got a low center of gravity with a lot of speed.... once you see him in pre-season... you'll want him as a call-up option.

I think he brings more than any forward in the AHL, and it's not even close.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
4) AV has zero patience with youngsters unless they are responsible defensively, which means he's more inclined to use them as checkers. If Andersson is a checker at 19 in the NHL, you run the risk of him checking his entire career.
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If this was true Kevin Hayes and JT Miller would not be in the NHL right now, let alone getting the prime usage he has been doling out the past few seasons. AV is far more forgiving of poor defensive play from his forwards than the majority of other NHL coaches are, in fact, he is forgiving to a fault. Most other coaches would have had Vesey in the A with Hayes and Miller riding the pine at various points this season. AV has not held back any forward on this team from exhibiting offensive talent with the arguable exception of Buchnevich and even that whole scenario is over-dramatized when you look at last season's roster makeup as a whole. This statement was true as applied to Tortorella on the Rangers, it's a myth when it's applied to Vignault.
 
Bergeron will get in.

Look at his international resume. Nothing but gold plus 4 selkes.. And possibly a couple more.. Cup..
 
Lias Andersson said:
If this was true Kevin Hayes and JT Miller would not be in the NHL right now, let alone getting the prime usage he has been doling out the past few seasons. AV is far more forgiving of poor defensive play from his forwards than the majority of other NHL coaches are, in fact, he is forgiving to a fault. Most other coaches would have had Vesey in the A with Hayes and Miller riding the pine at various points this season. AV has not held back any forward on this team from exhibiting offensive talent with the arguable exception of Buchnevich and even that whole scenario is over-dramatized when you look at last season's roster makeup as a whole. This statement was true as applied to Tortorella on the Rangers, it's a myth when it's applied to Vignault.
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AV hates bad dumb turnovers from his forwards, at least when they're still "proving themselves". That's why Miller got so much crap (though I think there were also some off ice things relating to professionalism that they expected him to improve on but that's just a guess on my part from vague comments). He seems to let iffy d zone coverage and stuff slide as long as the players aren't being real careless with the puck once they get it
 
Levitate said:
AV hates bad dumb turnovers from his forwards, at least when they're still "proving themselves". That's why Miller got so much crap (though I think there were also some off ice things relating to professionalism that they expected him to improve on but that's just a guess on my part from vague comments). He seems to let iffy d zone coverage and stuff slide as long as the players aren't being real careless with the puck once they get it
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Unless your names are Dan Girardi and Marc Staal, then you can do what ever the hell you want with the puck with out fear of any consequence.
 
Mikos87 said:
There's also practice... practicing with NHLers >>>>> A or Sweden.

He's got a low center of gravity with a lot of speed.... once you see him in pre-season... you'll want him as a call-up option.

I think he brings more than any forward in the AHL, and it's not even close.
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I don't doubt his ability. I just caution writing him into an NHL spot.

Practice, drills, etc are nothing like the heat of actual competition. If he plays on the fourth line he'll miss valuable time on the PP or PK and big moments in games. We all know AV shows young guys the bench when it matters. Let him carry Hartford or Frolunda. Let him get used to big moments and pressure.
 
Levitate said:
AV hates bad dumb turnovers from his forwards, at least when they're still "proving themselves". That's why Miller got so much crap (though I think there were also some off ice things relating to professionalism that they expected him to improve on but that's just a guess on my part from vague comments). He seems to let iffy d zone coverage and stuff slide as long as the players aren't being real careless with the puck once they get it
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Maybe, although I think he has been about as patient as you can expect an NHL coach to be when it comes to forwards making mistakes in general. I think Hayes' Players Tribune article even says as much. My opinion with AV is that if he's going to get criticism for his forward deployment it should be for not installing enough accountability for poor defensive play, not for being a coach who tries to turn skilled players into checkers. This is not John Tortorella playing Brandon Dubinsky and Ryan Callahan 25 minutes a night, icing Brian Boyle late in games when down by one goal, all while pretending Mats Zuccarello isn't an NHL player. I feel like some transpose those qualities onto AV when it's not really accurate.
 
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