Prospect Info: Lias Andersson

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i would like to see him in the 4c spot to start. less expectations and less minutes. atleast initially.

hes a smart defensive checker already. his ability to skate and think his way around the ice appears to be quite developed. give him time to hone his offensive game. i still believe his offensive upside is greater than most here understand. he's a creative player.

grabner andersson and fast would be an exciting 4th line
 
Andersson will probably break camp with the team, he'll get 9 games to see what he can do, and then get sent back to the SHL

I think he makes the team full time next season
 
Andersson will probably break camp with the team, he'll get 9 games to see what he can do, and then get sent back to the SHL

I think he makes the team full time next season

Could actually go down to the Wolfpack instead of the SHL. Rangers get a better handle on the development
 
Andersson shouldn't touch the AHL. Keep him with Frolunda where he'll get more ice time with better linemates and an overall better support system.
 
If the floor is high enough the ceiling is irrelevant.

I think floor/ceiling is off when you talk about a smart skilled player like Lias. People would have said that both Alfie and Zetterberg were high floor low ceiling type of players. Good solid players but not flashy. 100-110 pts during the trapping era is as high as you get if you aren't named Jagr/Forsberg/Lindros.
 
I think floor/ceiling is off when you talk about a smart skilled player like Lias. People would have said that both Alfie and Zetterberg were high floor low ceiling type of players. Good solid players but not flashy. 100-110 pts during the trapping era is as high as you get if you aren't named Jagr/Forsberg/Lindros.

I keep wondering how much of the "Andersson doesn't have a high ceiling, limited offense" talk is because he's not flashy, not that he doesn't have good offensive skills.

Like, sometimes you watch guys especially in juniors and they're flashy and they're obviously high skill dangling all over making highlight plays. Then maybe you have guys who just get the job done, kind of like you mentioned Alfie and Zetterberg. Hell, I"ve always been underwhelmed watching Zetterberg play, except he somehow puts up points. It's the guys who don't dangle around all the time or look flashy but are in the right places at the right times and have the shot and instincts to put the puck away.

So, how much of it is Andersson just having straightforward skills that aren't flashy but get the job done and how much of it is really lack of offensive skills.

I mean personally I have no idea, I'm just wondering
 
I think it's probably more to the fact that most people don't see him as a true first line/front line center.

With that said, it really depends on who he's paired with and the team makeup.

That's not to say he couldn't be used in that type of role and potentially produce in the same range as Stepan/Brassard.
 
I think it's probably more to the fact that most people don't see him as a true first line/front line center.

With that said, it really depends on who he's paired with and the team makeup.

That's not to say he couldn't be used in that type of role and potentially produce in the same range as Stepan/Brassard.

Yeah I think I'd be happy with a hovering around 60 point type center who can play in all situations, good defensively and tough to play against, etc.

I mean I'd love it if he was more of a 70 point guy and not saying he really is another Alfredsson or Zetterberg, but it feels like some people are more viewing him as a 3rd line center
 
Few things,


1). Jonkoping isn't Manhattan. I know he has NHL bloodlines, but there are a million things that can consume a teenager working in Midtown making close to a million bucks. Anybody with a general idea of Rangers' history knows the bad luck they've had with prematurely promoting teenagers.

2) His offensive game and creativity needs work. This is based off his play with HV71 a year ago. Playing center in the NHL in a stacked Metro division is no joke. He's going to need to drive possession and create for his wings. I didn't see him do that sort of stuff last year, although he was better in the playoffs. When he played with Tedenby he let him do most of the inside work.

3) The Rangers aren't a possession team, so playing a kid like Andersson on the 3rd line likely means less ozone starts, lots of dzone time and not a whole lot of offense. This can lead to a reduction in ice time, scratches etc (see No. 4).

4) AV has zero patience with youngsters unless they are responsible defensively, which means he's more inclined to use them as checkers. If Andersson is a checker at 19 in the NHL, you run the risk of him checking his entire career.

5) Generally speaking, European NHL draftees are better off developing in Euro elite leagues in the Draft-1 than jumping ship to North America and playing in the CHL/AHL or as a checker in the NHL.

Malkin spent two full years in Russia post-draft before making his NHL debut.

Ovechkin spent a full season in Russia post-draft (likely forced to because of lockout but still)

Backstrom, Karlsson and Kopitar each spent a full season in the SHL post-draft. Datsyuk spent two in Russia, Zetterberg three. Both Kuznetsov and Tarasenko close to four in Russia, and Kucherov at least one KHL season before jumping to NA to play Major Junior.

Mikael Granlund spent two full post-draft seasons in the Liiga before heading over. Zibanejad, Forsberg and William Nylander each played a full year in Sweden the season following their draft. On the flip side, you have guys like Barkov, Nichuskin, Lindholm as the obvious exceptions. Maybe throw Zherdev, Michalek in there as well. Plus Hedman.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in letting Andersson stay in Europe for next season, assume a Top-3/6 role and get used to playing against top matchups. This kid was a 7th overall pick -- you want him to become a star, not a replacement for Jesper Fast.

If the Rangers are going to rely on a kid next year, let it be Buchnevich -- a prospect with legit star potential further along in his development. I'd rather Andersson make his NHL debut along side established point producers after he's improved his own playmaking skills.
 
If Andersson is making the team as the 3C then he's not a checking line guy. The Rangers don't run a realistic 3rd line checking line, they've generally looked at their 4th line as something more of that role...take some hard minutes and ideally put on some offensive zone pressure. The Rangers 3rd line has been a scoring line since AV got here
 
Yeah I think I'd be happy with a hovering around 60 point type center who can play in all situations, good defensively and tough to play against, etc.

I mean I'd love it if he was more of a 70 point guy and not saying he really is another Alfredsson or Zetterberg, but it feels like some people are more viewing him as a 3rd line center

I see his upside as a high quality second line center. Frankly, the type that people sometimes overpay for because they love all the different elements those guys bring, even if they aren't necessarily playing on the first line.

I don't really see the Alfredsson or Zetterberg comparisons personally, but def. see what others are thinking when they through out names like Drury, Bergeron, O'Reilly, Huberdeau.
 
If Andersson is making the team as the 3C then he's not a checking line guy. The Rangers don't run a realistic 3rd line checking line, they've generally looked at their 4th line as something more of that role...take some hard minutes and ideally put on some offensive zone pressure. The Rangers 3rd line has been a scoring line since AV got here

I agree with this. I've flipped on my thinking when it comes to Andersson playing for the Rangers this season. AV, for all his faults with defensive deployment, really has been pretty good when it comes to the forward group since he got here. It's not a situation like Torts where the coach will try to turn him into Brian Boyle or Bobby Holik. Plus, if he's the 3C he's guaranteed to play with scoring minded wingers. He needs to get the minutes though.
 
If Andersson is making the team as the 3C then he's not a checking line guy. The Rangers don't run a realistic 3rd line checking line, they've generally looked at their 4th line as something more of that role...take some hard minutes and ideally put on some offensive zone pressure. The Rangers 3rd line has been a scoring line since AV got here

I never said he would check on the third line. I said if he doesnt produce as a 3c, he likely gets demoted and either checks or is scratched.

Anyway, when was the last time AV had a teenage center in a Top-9 role and stuck with him?

I just dont see Andersson producing as a Top-9 teenage center for a Cup contender.
 
I see his upside as a high quality second line center. Frankly, the type that people sometimes overpay for because they love all the different elements those guys bring, even if they aren't necessarily playing on the first line.

I don't really see the Alfredsson or Zetterberg comparisons personally, but def. see what others are thinking when they through out names like Drury, Bergeron, O'Reilly, Huberdeau.

i dont think of Bergeron as a 2nd line center... unless we're talking about the team canada olympic team?
 
If Andersson is making the team as the 3C then he's not a checking line guy. The Rangers don't run a realistic 3rd line checking line, they've generally looked at their 4th line as something more of that role...take some hard minutes and ideally put on some offensive zone pressure. The Rangers 3rd line has been a scoring line since AV got here

Yeah true, but if you going to use this kid full potential - he is probably better on a 2 nd. line, and Miller can still play as a winger since he has mostly been doing that in his NHL career. I think it`s a risk to put JT. in a different role this season concerning his point production. But enough about Miller, this topic is all about Lias Andersson - if he is not ready he should probably play a year in AHL to get used to small ice and play to progress basic defensive 2 way skills as he develop.

AHL Wolfpack would not hurt his development if AV evaluate him not NHL ready in this year training camp. But I hope he is ready, because it`s not ideal for us or the team to use JT as a center next season. And my final point if Lias Andersson let`s say he play with Zucc - he is a guy that usually raise other players overall skillset if Lias is a good skater, because he has so accurate passes and will find him easy in good positions on the ice.
 
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I never said he would check on the third line. I said if he doesnt produce as a 3c, he likely gets demoted and either checks or is scratched.

Anyway, when was the last time AV had a teenage center in a Top-9 role and stuck with him?

I just dont see Andersson producing as a Top-9 teenage center for a Cup contender.

Has AV had a teenage forward prospect since he took over with the Rangers? Seems like a weird question to ask
 
kinda interesting, Bergeron has a career DZS% of 53.5% but a CF% of 57.7%.

How is that even possible?

To compare that to Stepan for example, its 45% DZS% and only a 50.5% CF%

Bergeron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stepan...AINEC
 
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Steve that was an excellent post breaking down which guys stayed in Europe after their draft year.

kinda interesting, Bergeron has a career DZS% of 53.5% but a CF% of 61.8%.

How is that even possible?

To compare that to Stepan for example, its 45% DZS% and only a 50.5% CF%

Bergeron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stepan...AINEC

Because Bergeron is the best advanced stats guy in the league bar none. Dude is in a whole different tier possession wise, but he doesn't score at a high clip. IMO he's one of the best defensive forwards ever
 
im kinda falling down the rabbit hole looking at some of bergerons underlying numbers...they almost paint a legitimate case that he belongs in the hall of fame..
 
im kinda falling down the rabbit hole looking at some of bergerons underlying numbers...they almost paint a legitimate case that he belongs in the hall of fame..

4x Selke winning + SC Champ.

He'll very likely make the Hall of Fame on that alone. He has another 5-7 years to improve upon those as well.
 
Has AV had a teenage forward prospect since he took over with the Rangers? Seems like a weird question to ask

How is it weird in a thread where people are penciling him in for Opening Night?

Too many factors point to Andersson playing in the AHL or returning to Sweden.
 
The training camp will be cruicial for Lias it will decide which line he will start on next season - maybe another year in Sweden or Wolfpack. It depends probably on his parents since he is so young only 18 years old and probably not used to live alone in a foreign country. :)
 
imho Duclair was very overrated here...the guy had absolutely ZERO board play, and was even worse defensively.

I get that he's a kid..but he deserved to be sent down.
 
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