Recalled/Assigned: Lias Andersson - Part III (Loaned to SHL)

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this is so ****ing stupid
The amount of players that did not carve out careers until the mid 20s

hell Guys like Blake Wheeler and Kevin Hayes we’re not even PPG players in the ncaa at the same age

I don't have a strong feeling in regards to Anderson, but I've always thought that the argument you're making is strange because for every Wheeler or Hayes there are a hundred that never rose that far up the ladder. Wheeler and Hayes are the the exceptions.
 
I don't have a strong feeling in regards to Anderson, but I've always thought that the argument you're making is strange because for every Wheeler or Hayes there are a hundred that never rose that far up the ladder. Wheeler and Hayes are the the exceptions.
Yeah showing the exceptions to the rule as examples aren't the best way to make an argument.
 
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Nah man. This isn't just about points...he just wasn't good enough...at no point did he ever meet expectations. And even if it was about points, that's not enough of a sample size.

If the Rangers still think that he's good enough for AHL they could have loaned him to a different AHL team. Loaning him to Sweden is wasting the asset and his career completely. His game didn't translate to American hockey and it won't while he's playing in Sweden. He also won't build any positive value whatsoever...even if he's scoring like a maniac over there...so what's point?

Sending him to Maine would have meant everything but that. What you don't get is that the player doesn't have a choice. The guy hasn't earned enough to just sit at home and do nothing. He wants to carve out a career as a hockey pro and can't afford to sit at home with no income. Eventually, he'd have played for Maine or any team the Rangers wanted him to. So why they let him play in Sweden is still beyond me.

This guy needs to play in North America now...that's the only way for him to build value or carve out an NHL career. He's just losing years now by playing in Sweden. Doesn't make sense whatsoever.
You can't throw out the small sample from when he was doing very well, particularly given his age, and then look at a similarly miniscule sample where he was dogging it to say he sucked. Either we look at the whole sample or none of it. But it's subjective, anyway. His first two stints in Hartford did nothing to put a damper on any expectations.

The Rangers could have assigned him to another AHL team, but why? His issue wasn't Hartford itself, apparently, but not playing in the NHL. So yeah, you could loan him to SWB or whatever--why? You think he'd come back for that? I don't. You think he'd come back for an ECHL assignment? Hell no.

I know your position is that "the player has no say." They do, obviously. They can not play. That's what he was doing. That's his leverage. If he's resolute, he can not play for a long time until his parent team feels compelled to get him playing somewhere. I actually agree that the best way to build his value would be coming back to the AHL, since we know he can play I the SHL. But the worst thing would be watching him continue to sit out, where absolutely nothing positive can come from the situation. Even if playing in the SHL provides just a modicum of improvement to his value, it's worth it.

The ECHL? Teams know what the ECHL is. Guys with a few good talents and nothing else can tear that league to shreds. If Lias looked good there, no one would care. And if he dogged it, we're f***ed.

The Rangers are more familiar with the situation than anyone. JD has talked to the player, to the agent. I'm sure he had a better read on what Lias is and isn't willing to do than anyone. If JD determined the best course of action is to send him back to the SHL, then so be it. I have no reason to question this being the right choice, even if I a vacuum, it doesn't make sense.
 
We can argue whether his production in the minors satisfies expectations but the real issue for me is that Gordie Clark's team picked Lias on "leadership and character." (Source) I mean talk about a swing and a miss.

I blame Anders Kallur more (guy who announced the pick). Dude had a clear bias for his last pick before retiring.
 
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I thought this kids feet were mangled beyond recognition and the Rangers were forcing him to play hurt? Isn’t that what he was alluding to?

He wouldn’t be skating freely right now if he had major foot injuries a month ago.

sounds like nothing but being a brat.
 
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I thought this kids feet were mangled beyond recognition and the Rangers were forcing him to play hurt? Isn’t that what he was alluding to?

He wouldn’t be skating freely right now if he had major foot injuries a month ago.

sounds like nothing but being a brat.
After getting a second opinion, it turns out it was an overblown contusion of the pride.
 
Nah man. DeAngelo made mistakes, too but at the same time was often misunderstood and treated unfairly. He's also no European and therefore never had to adjust his game to North American hockey...which is what Andersson failed to do and caused him to run away instead of trying harder and battle it out in the minors. Also, DeAngelo may have had all sorts of problems, but effort was never one of them.

Andersson's problems as a player are kind of a side issue at this point. If he's failed to adjust to the North American game, he may have a long road to hoe in terms of turning himself into a useful NHL player, but at this point he and the organization have such a breaking point that the relationship needs to be repaired first. Even if it's Andersson's fault, you can maintain your stance and insist on the righteousness of it, and lose him, or, you can bury your pride and bend your principals and try to salvage something.

The latter is smarter.

Also, how do you know if Andersson has been misunderstood or treated unfairly? You don't know all the details here.

And again, this is shouldn't be about what the player wants.

Why shouldn't it be about that?

You try to stay at home instead of going to work and then not pick up the phone when your bosses call you for a few weeks.

If I don't report to work my boss will find someone else to replace me, and can do so with an exhaustive search where he can pay whatever he wants to do so.

The Rangers are constrained when searching for replacements in terms of what they can pay to replace Andersson (there's a salary cap), the worldwide talent pool of would-be professional hockey players on his level (even as a so-far bust, he's among the most talented players in the world and there's not another former 7th overall pick they can just call up), and also the available resources to even attract a replacement (draft pick - especially high ones - used to select replacement players are measured out to teams on a very limited and per-year basis).

So it's not at all like my job or your job.

Nobody is gonna give a damn about what you want after that and nobody is gonna seriously believe that you want to work for this company at any point.

It's not about what Andersson deserves in the context of an ordinary job. Athletes in pro sports leagues have special rules, as do the employers (the teams). This makes the behavior code quite different. Pro Sports players -- see Tony DeAngelo -- hold out all the time when normally doing so in a regular job would result in termination and a black mark in your file. That's just not the case in sports so the machismo "It's the team's way or the highway" simply isn't valid or rational. The team acts way differently towards it's employees too, much differently than your boss does to you.

The only reason why the Rangers didn't terminate his contract is because they're trying to get some sort of compensation for their first round pick. That won't happen as long as he's playing in Sweden. I can guarantee you that. So they shouldn't have let him. Period.

Maybe the only way to get him to eventually come back is allowing a cool down period where he plays for Sweden for a bit? And then maybe he comes back to the US and can be traded.

Holding the hard line maybe he just sits and sits and sits. Sure, he cuts off his own nose to spite his face, but by allowing him to do so, we are doing the same thing and also losing an asset.

It's just not smart.

On top of that, as I cited before, the rules and expectations of the employer-employee contract are just different in pro sports. Not saying Andersson is in the right, but again, players hold out when simply not reporting for a real world job would be grounds for termination.

Taking his ball and going home is egregious, but way less egregious than it would be in the "real world" where it would almost always result in termination.
 
I, for one, am shocked and appalled by some of the reactions on this board and the how lightly we're treating Lias' very serious medical condition.

There was a photo online this morning, taken at a charity event, and it highlights the extent of this young man's plight.

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People just can't stop making assumptions about either this kid or the situation in order to prove their point.
I agree that that a few people are acting way over the top, but I can understand it, given how poorly Lias handled the situation. I mean I was absolutely livid about this at first, for a guy who I always defended, but I've cooled down and I think am looking at it more rationally. I don't think everyone is to that point. And some people here are just nuts. :laugh:
 
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We can argue whether his production in the minors satisfies expectations but the real issue for me is that Gordie Clark's team picked Lias on "leadership and character." (Source) I mean talk about a swing and a miss.
This has been take right from the start of this mess.

This is (like it or not) A HUGE WARNING LIGHT blinking
 
I, for one, am shocked and appalled by some of the reactions on this board and the how lightly we're treating Lias' very serious medical condition.

There was a photo online this morning, taken at a charity event, and it highlights the extent of this young man's plight.

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hmmmm..... brilliant !!

never though to look at lisins feet..... or mcilrath

and it was right there in front of me the whole time

anyone have pics of kravtsovs paws ?
 
I, for one, am shocked and appalled by some of the reactions on this board and the how lightly we're treating Lias' very serious medical condition.

There was a photo online this morning, taken at a charity event, and it highlights the extent of this young man's plight.

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I had a feeling he missed The Shire...
 
I agree that that a few people are acting way over the top, but I can understand it, given how poorly Lias handled the situation. I mean I was absolutely livid about this at first, for a guy who I always defended, but I've cooled down and I think am looking at it more rationally. I don't think everyone is to that point. And some people here are just nuts. :laugh:

excuse me ????

i am not nuts..



i think hes an alien to be honest. or like a cyborg or hybrid or something. definitely sent here to mess with us and make us crazy. obviously its not working.

where's my meds..... ???
 
We can argue whether his production in the minors satisfies expectations but the real issue for me is that Gordie Clark's team picked Lias on "leadership and character." (Source) I mean talk about a swing and a miss.

people act like he was ranked to go in the 3rd round and we went off the board for his leadership and character...Bob McKenzie had him ranked 13th and most people felt that 7-15 or so was interchangeable. the pick hasn't worked out...hindsight is 20/20. funny how no one ever brings up the picks that did work.
 
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people act like he was ranked to go in the 3rd round and we went off the board for his leadership and character...Bob McKenzie had him ranked 13th and most people felt that 7-15 or so was interchangeable. the pick hasn't worked out...hindsight is 20/20. funny how no one ever brings up the picks that did work.

With the 2017 NHL draft, the rankings were all of over the place.

Let's take a look at the final ISS list for example:

They had Pettersson ranked 20th, he went 5th.

They had Vilardi 3rd, he went 13th.

They had Andersson 25th, he went 7th.

They had Kostin 16th, he went 31st.

Speaking of Kostin and Andersson, they were the first and third ranked European skaters according to CSB. The player sandwiched between them? Elias Pettersson.

Players ranked behind Andersson in the final CSB rankings? Heiskanen, Necas, and literally every other prospect who played in Europe that season --- including Chytil, who was ranked behind a guy who went in the second round.

And lost in all this annoyance at what's transpired, there are a hell of a lot of kids taken from that first round who aren't exactly lighting up the AHL this season either.

So we need to stop pretending that the 2017 draft was like 2003 version.
 
people act like he was ranked to go in the 3rd round and we went off the board for his leadership and character...Bob McKenzie had him ranked 13th and most people felt that 7-15 or so was interchangeable. the pick hasn't worked out...hindsight is 20/20. funny how no one ever brings up the picks that did work.

You missed the point. What he was saying was that the Rangers picked Andersson based on character and leadership...even if you like him as a player, which I clearly don't, that's kinda concerning. He's right about that. Andersson could be the most gifted player in hockey...after what he did it's worrying to know why they picked him. There are methods to find out about such issues in the interviews. Given the fact that this wasn't the first incident after the draft there were probably more incidents before the draft the Rangers should have known about. Things like that don't tend to come out of the blue.
 
You missed the point. What he was saying was that the Rangers picked Andersson based on character and leadership...even if you like him as a player, which I clearly don't, that's kinda concerning. He's right about that. Andersson could be the most gifted player in hockey...after what he did it's worrying to know why they picked him. There are methods to find out about such issues in the interviews. Given the fact that this wasn't the first incident after the draft there were probably more incidents before the draft the Rangers should have known about. Things like that don't tend to come out of the blue.

They didn't just pick him because they liked his personality. They liked him as a player too. But a team might mention certain attributes as to what they liked in addition to the talent.

Sometimes people take this shit so literally. The Rangers aren't holding a stand up comedy routine as a tie-breaker for prospects. But if they like the player, and like the way he plays, they sometimes find they like the personality as well.

I am not happy about Andersson's decision, but for chrissakes let's stop pretending like he grabbed a knife and went around slashing people at the train station.
 
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