Recalled/Assigned: Lias Andersson - Part III (Loaned to SHL)

[Sens]

what happened? What happened is that he’s a bad hockey player. The circus is over, he’s a distraction at best - will never play in the NHL again.

this is so f***ing stupid
The amount of players that did not carve out careers until the mid 20s

hell Guys like Blake Wheeler and Kevin Hayes we’re not even PPG players in the ncaa at the same age

 

[kovazub94]

Unless it's for legal protection (and it just may be), I would strongly prefer to have him terminated from the organization entirely.

You're just full of hot takes, eh?

 

[kovazub94]

I've seen and commented on that bias so I agree there.

I get it bc he DID have personal interactions with the kids. It's a reasonable bias but I think its definitely fair to point out to AK.

But I think I finally reached the summit of **** it mountain. This whole place is one giant melting pot of extremely biased, egotistical, unreasonable, dishonest posters. Poster PB got the boot for being the worst offender and everybody treats his name like Voldemort around here but its monkey see monkey do. He fit like a glove. He was the best there is at being hf nyr.

I'm starting to just ignore responses and people in chunks now bc theres nothing resembling reasonable discussion with about 80% of this board.

So **** it.

Kreiderman, bias the **** out of your posts, it doesn't matter. You know the kid, go tiger mom on everybody here. Give in to the dark side. Become the nevesis of prospects. At least you're getting awesome memorabilia and pucks and signed **** for your occasional bias posts. The rest of us here just do it for ego and grudge purposes.

We are fans and of course we have favorite players or prospects. However, there's a difference in how you manifest / approach your fandom. One could be honest with facts and be maybe even a bit harder in your evaluations to "adjust" for your fandom or, on the opposite spectrum, completely disregard facts and logic that most of the time leads to one looking foolish (and biased).

 

[Hinterland]

Somebody explain me what I'm missing here. You guys are talking about punishment...which punishment? This is honestly beyond me. Suspension without pay is what you automatically get from any NHL team for failure to report. You can't possibly leave your team (violate your contract) and expect the team to pay you as if nothing happened. Try to do that with your employer and see for how long you still get your salary transfered to your bank account. Unless you're working for a company run by grade a morons you're more likely to hear from lawyers than to still get your salary.

Also, the spoiled kid didn't just violate his contract, he also refused to talk to the Rangers management. Terminating his contract would have been the correct reaction but since that wouldn't have helped the team I get why they didn't do it. They shouldn't have let him play in Sweden though. Maine or nothing. He's under contract with the Rangers and has to respect that.

 

[UnSandvich]

Somebody explain me what I'm missing here. You guys are talking about punishment...which punishment? This is honestly beyond me. Suspension without pay is what you automatically get from any NHL team for failure to report. You can't possibly leave your team (violate your contract) and expect the team to pay you as if nothing happened. Try to do that with your employer and see for how long you still get your salary transfered to your bank account. Unless you're working for a company run by grade a morons you're more likely to hear from lawyers than to still get your salary.

Also, the spoiled kid didn't just violate his contract, he also refused to talk to the Rangers management. Terminating his contract would have been the correct reaction but since that wouldn't have helped the team I get why they didn't do it. They shouldn't have let him play in Sweden though. Maine or nothing. He's under contract with the Rangers and has to respect that.

Perhaps they let him play in Sweden because that's where he wants to play? He's not gonna rebuild value if he's not playing, whereas he's more likely to if he's some place he's comfortable with. It benefits the Rangers to have him playing somewhere he's happy and comfortable, because that's where he's most likely to rebuild value.

 

[Hinterland]

Perhaps they let him play in Sweden because that's where he wants to play? He's not gonna rebuild value if he's not playing, whereas he's more likely to if he's some place he's comfortable with. It benefits the Rangers to have him playing somewhere he's happy and comfortable, because that's where he's most likely to rebuild value.

He failed to adapt his game to the North American hockey...he sucked ass not only at NHL level but also at AHL level. The guy could score like a maniac in Sweden...combined with his history, no team would be stupid enough to give up anything of any value based on his play in Sweden. You can't seriously believe that. Also, why would the player being happy have any priority for the Rangers after the player himself not only violated his contract but also refused to talk to the management? The player is under contract with the Rangers...so this should be where he has to play...and if he doesn't want to stay with Hartford then he can always go to Maine...where he belongs anyway.

Andersson playing in Sweden doesn't help anybody...not the player and surely not the Rangers. It may be what Andersson wanted but it surely doesn't help his career. Andersson has to make it work in North America. Since he wasn't good enough in the AHL the Rangers should have sent him to Maine. Maine would have been the right choice.

 

[UnSandvich]

He failed to adapt his game to the North American hockey...he sucked ass not only at NHL level but also at AHL level. The guy could score like a maniac in Sweden...combined with his history, no team would be stupid enough to give up anything of any value based on his play in Sweden. You can't seriously believe that. Also, why would the player being happy have any priority for the Rangers after the player himself not only violated his contract but also refused to talk to the management? The player is under contract with the Rangers...so this should be where he has to play...and if he doesn't want to stay with Hartford then he can always go to Maine...where he belongs anyway.

Andersson playing in Sweden doesn't help anybody...not the player and surely not the Rangers. It may be what Andersson wanted but it surely doesn't help his career. Andersson has to make it work in North America. Since he wasn't good enough in the AHL the Rangers should have sent him to Maine. Maine would have been the right choice.

From the reports I saw, saying he sucked in the AHL is just not accurate. Saying he could've played (much) better is closer to the truth.

Also, genuine question here:
If he left Hartford, what the hell makes you think he'd come back to play in the ECHL?

 

[Hinterland]

From the reports I saw, saying he sucked in the AHL is just not accurate. Saying he could've played (much) better is closer to the truth.

Also, genuine question here:
If he left Hartford, what the hell makes you think he'd come back to play in the ECHL?

What's his alternative? Sit at home, run out of money and at the same time ruin his career?

Apparently he had issues in Hartford and that's why he left? Maine is a different team that has very little to do with Hartford. Whatever happened in Hartford likely won't happen in Maine.

The player wouldn't have had a choice anyway. He's under contract with the Rangers. He's not good enough for the Rangers so it's either Hartford or Maine. He left Hartford so Maine it is. If he doesn't like Maine either the Rangers can always loan him to a different AHL or ECHL team...based on his play probably ECHL the better choice. But the player has no choice...Rangers held all the cards in this one...not sure why they let him leave for Sweden. Like I said...this doesn't help anybody. Stupid decision.

 

[nyr2k2]

He was a very effective AHL player when he first came over, and then again at the start of last year when he opened with 12 points in 12 games. It wasn't until his subsequent demotion that he started to sulk (as I pointed out last year). And of course, he obviously had no interest in playing in the AHL this year and it showed.

To say he sucked at the AHL level is disingenuous at best.

As to the suggestion of, "You play in Maine or you don't play at all," that's basically just saying, "You don't play at all." He would never play in Maine and honestly he's above that level anyway. So then you're basically saying you'd rather throw away your asset completely than try to find a mutually beneficial scenario where you eventually recoup something for him. Which, I know a few people have taken that stance, but it still seems spiteful and wasteful to me. But whatever, I was hoping we had moved past all that.

 

[ZiGOODejad]

Imagine if he had left the team with Sather at the helm. This kid would never of seen a pro game in the NHL ever again.

 

[haohmaru]

Imagine if he had left the team with Sather at the helm. This kid would never of seen a pro game in the NHL ever again.

He still might not.

 

[Hinterland]

He was a very effective AHL player when he first came over, and then again at the start of last year when he opened with 12 points in 12 games. It wasn't until his subsequent demotion that he started to sulk (as I pointed out last year). And of course, he obviously had no interest in playing in the AHL this year and it showed.

To say he sucked at the AHL level is disingenuous at best.

As to the suggestion of, "You play in Maine or you don't play at all," that's basically just saying, "You don't play at all." He would never play in Maine and honestly he's above that level anyway. So then you're basically saying you'd rather throw away your asset completely than try to find a mutually beneficial scenario where you eventually recoup something for him. Which, I know a few people have taken that stance, but it still seems spiteful and wasteful to me. But whatever, I was hoping we had moved past all that.

Nah man. This isn't just about points...he just wasn't good enough...at no point did he ever meet expectations. And even if it was about points, that's not enough of a sample size.

If the Rangers still think that he's good enough for AHL they could have loaned him to a different AHL team. Loaning him to Sweden is wasting the asset and his career completely. His game didn't translate to American hockey and it won't while he's playing in Sweden. He also won't build any positive value whatsoever...even if he's scoring like a maniac over there...so what's point?

Sending him to Maine would have meant everything but that. What you don't get is that the player doesn't have a choice. The guy hasn't earned enough to just sit at home and do nothing. He wants to carve out a career as a hockey pro and can't afford to sit at home with no income. Eventually, he'd have played for Maine or any team the Rangers wanted him to. So why they let him play in Sweden is still beyond me.

This guy needs to play in North America now...that's the only way for him to build value or carve out an NHL career. He's just losing years now by playing in Sweden. Doesn't make sense whatsoever.

 

[apoptygma]

Nah man. This isn't just about points...he just wasn't good enough...at no point did he ever meet expectations. And even if it was about points, that's not enough of a sample size.

If the Rangers still think that he's good enough for AHL they could have loaned him to a different AHL team. Loaning him to Sweden is wasting the asset and his career completely. His game didn't translate to American hockey and it won't while he's playing in Sweden. He also won't build any positive value whatsoever...even if he's scoring like a maniac over there...so what's point?

Sending him to Maine would have meant everything but that. What you don't get is that the player doesn't have a choice. The guy hasn't earned enough to just sit at home and do nothing. He wants to carve out a career as a hockey pro and can't afford to sit at home with no income. Eventually, he'd have played for Maine or any team the Rangers wanted him to. So why they let him play in Sweden is still beyond me.

This guy needs to play in North America now...that's the only way for him to build value or carve out an NHL career. He's just losing years now by playing in Sweden. Doesn't make sense whatsoever.

You really believe him playing in ECHL will build his value better then playing in the SHL?

 

[Aahlstroem]

I didn't read everything the last pages but here goes, I saw this subject being discussed.

Frölunda didn't have room to give Lias the role the Rangers wanted him to have. We've got the best C depth in the SHL with Sundström, Hjalmarsson (both top tier Cs), Lundqvist (living legend) and Lasu (gonna take over as captain after Lundqvist in the future). There were talks about bringing him in though and I'm sure that Frölunda would've loved to have Lias and that Lias would've been excited to play with us again. HV71 was just a better fit at this time. Färjestad were interested as well, but Lias turned them down.

 

[mas0764]

What is not being understood here is that just because you legally COULD force him to “play in the ECHL or nothing,” that doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

Even if I bought the argument that there is nothing more a 21 year old can do to improve his game playing in the SHL, which I don’t, it’s about getting the player back to a point where he’s willing to work with your organization again.

This isn’t a regular employer-employee situation so any of those analogies are largely inapplicable.

This player is an organizational asset and massaging the situation to recover value is the best route, not saying “take it or leave it, you signed a contract and we hold all the cards.”

They could do that... and then end up with nothing. Which would be idiotic on their part.

Luckily they have realized how stupid that would be. What I don’t understand is the rush from some posters to enforce those rights when the team itself believes that’s not the right course of action.

Lot of armchair GMs out there willing to take a hard line all the time, people wanted to do the same when Tony DeAngelo held out for like 2 days. Trade him! This is all he’s getting! Take it or leave it! Put the pitchforks down. Now look at the player.... probably a long term piece here.

 

[Hinterland]

You really believe him playing in ECHL will build his value better then playing in the SHL?

Of course. The best SHL forwards can easily be 100% useless in North American pro hockey. If he played KHL that would be something different but even then that wouldn't up his value. With Andersson's history, no GM is gonna give up anything significant no matter how well he does in Europe because Andersson not only failed to make it work even at AHL level, he also ran away and violated his contract instead of trying harder to make it work eventually. Furthermore, he even opted not to talk to the management...after throwing the medal away that's not gonna earn him a character bonus either.

The only way for Andersson to build value is to finally start trying and trying to adjust his game to North American hockey. He has to prove that he's willing to put in effort in the minors and that he's capabable of playing pro hockey in North America. In this case, ECHL would be more of a start in the right direction than any European league. And I'm saying this as a European.

 

[Hinterland]

What is not being understood here is that just because you legally COULD force him to “play in the ECHL or nothing,” that doesn’t make it the right thing to do.

Even if I bought the argument that there is nothing more a 21 year old can do to improve his game playing in the SHL, which I don’t, it’s about getting the player back to a point where he’s willing to work with your organization again.

This isn’t a regular employer-employee situation so any of those analogies are largely inapplicable.

This player is an organizational asset and massaging the situation to recover value is the best route, not saying “take it or leave it, you signed a contract and we hold all the cards.”

They could do that... and then end up with nothing. Which would be idiotic on their part.

Luckily they have realized how stupid that would be. What I don’t understand is the rush from some posters to enforce those rights when the team itself believes that’s not the right course of action.

Lot of armchair GMs out there willing to take a hard line all the time, people wanted to do the same when Tony DeAngelo held out for like 2 days. Trade him! This is all he’s getting! Take it or leave it! Put the pitchforks down. Now look at the player.... probably a long term piece here.

Nah man. DeAngelo made mistakes, too but at the same time was often misunderstood and treated unfairly. He's also no European and therefore never had to adjust his game to North American hockey...which is what Andersson failed to do and caused him to run away instead of trying harder and battle it out in the minors. Also, DeAngelo may have had all sorts of problems, but effort was never one of them.

And again, this is shouldn't be about what the player wants.
You try to stay at home instead of going to work and then not pick up the phone when your bosses call you for a few weeks. Nobody is gonna give a damn about what you want after that and nobody is gonna seriously believe that you want to work for this company at any point. The only reason why the Rangers didn't terminate his contract is because they're trying to get some sort of compensation for their first round pick. That won't happen as long as he's playing in Sweden. I can guarantee you that. So they shouldn't have let him. Period.

 

[apoptygma]

Of course. The best SHL forwards can easily be 100% useless in North American pro hockey. If he played KHL that would be something different but even then that wouldn't up his value. With Andersson's history, no GM is gonna give up anything significant no matter how well he does in Europe because Andersson not only failed to make it work even at AHL level, he also ran away and violated his contract instead of trying harder to make it work eventually. Furthermore, he even opted not to talk to the management...after throwing the medal away that's not gonna earn him a character bonus either.

The only way for Andersson to build value is to finally start trying and trying to adjust his game to North American hockey. He has to prove that he's willing to put in effort in the minors and that he's capabable of playing pro hockey in North America. In this case, ECHL would be more of a start in the right direction than any European league. And I'm saying this as a European.

ECHL is a pretty garbage league. SHL is much better level of competition. You really are overestimate the difference between playing in a NA and a EU league. Also Lias have played at a high standard in the AHL both in 17/18 and 18-19 season.

 

[Hinterland]

ECHL is a pretty garbage league. SHL is much better level of competition. You really are overestimate the difference between playing in a NA and a EU league. Also Lias have played at a high standard in the AHL both in 17/18 and 18-19 season.

I'm not overestimating anything...you have to be able to adjust your game to North American hockey or you're not gonna make it work in the NHL. This was Andersson's problem and it's not gonna solve itself by playing in the SHL. His even bigger problem is that he violated his contract instead of trying harder. Nobody is gonna want him now.

 

[kovazub94]

I'm not overestimating anything...you have to be able to adjust your game to North American hockey or you're not gonna make it work in the NHL. This was Andersson's problem and it's not gonna solve itself by playing in the SHL. His even bigger problem is that he violated his contract instead of trying harder. Nobody is gonna want him now.

At some point Lias will have to come back to play in North America if he still has aspirations to have NHL career. However this step is further down the line and it could be when he’s not even with the Rangers organization anymore. For now let him get back in form physically and mentally before considering his return to NA.

 

[Leetch3]

Lias was unable to adjust to the speed of the nhl game. It had zero to do with the North American game. He did fine in the ahl the previous 2 years

 

[Hinterland]

At some point Lias will have to come back to play in North America if he still has aspirations to have NHL career. However this step is further down the line and it could be when he’s not even with the Rangers organization anymore. For now let him get back in form physically and mentally before considering his return to NA.

See. So why would the Rangers let him play in Sweden now? What do they have to gain? I'll answer that for you. Nothing. And that's why it was the wrong decision.

 

[pld459666]

Lias wasn't coming back to the Rangers this year.

If teams were of the opinion that he couldn't play, allowing home to skate in Seeden was the best course of action.

Terminating his contract would be moronic.

Cutting off your nose to spite your face is never a good look.

I do not condone any decision that LA and his reps have made throughout this process, but the way it's being handled is 100% the correct way it should be handled.

 

[SA16]

There is no point in terminating his contract since they aren't paying him anyway. But I also wouldn't just trade him for junk and since I highly doubt anyone would actually give up something decent for him he should be stuck in Europe for the foreseeable future.

 

[AntNYR]

You try to stay at home instead of going to work and then not pick up the phone when your bosses call you for a few weeks. Nobody is gonna give a damn about what you want after that and nobody is gonna seriously believe that you want to work for this company at any point.

Depends. Companies are often willing to bend for skilled workers, especially if they find out a reason for said behaviour and believe they can fix it. I've seen it happen and likely will again. There's always a point of no return though.

See. So why would the Rangers let him play in Sweden now? What do they have to gain? I'll answer that for you. Nothing. And that's why it was the wrong decision.

Rangers gain time. Time to work on a better trade, time to figure out if they can fix this and time to see if it's even worth fixing. Lias playing in Sweden might clear some confusion with interested teams, and he might even gain some confidence and show positive development . Keyword obviously being might. That might not be a whole lot but it's better than nothing.