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Confirmed with Link: Lias Andersson asks for trade. No longer with NYR.

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Maximus said:
Brooksie in his article which is pretty much right on point brings up some "glorious" 1st round picks of ours in the past 20 years such as in 1999 at #4 Pavel Brendl and at #9 Jamie Lundmark(how do we **** up not just one but two top 10 picks? Oh yeah...Sather was running the show than...lol)....2003..Hugh Jessman at #12...2004...Al Montoya at #6 and of course in 2010 with the 10th overall Dylan McIlrath.

I'm trying to decide which was the worst one of all of them and I can't help but think it was Brendl. I remember vividly us picking him and most of the fanbase at the time was stoked as Brendl was supposed to be a Peter Nedved type but even a better sniper. Boy were we wrong. Never played a minute for us and his career went the way of Nail Yakapov...even worse.

Funny thing is, Brendl is still only 38...what a waste of god given talent he was. Quite possibly the worst 1st round pick in Ranger history.
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To be fair, that 1999 draft ended up being brutal aside from twins, headlined by Stefan. Only 5 players from the top 6 rounds and drafted after Brendl had over 300 points.

You have to get into round 7 to find 500+ point players like Erat, Zetterberg and Vrbata.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
This is definitely an interesting situation to look at. The new generation doesn't appreciate "togetherness" (Not even sure if that's a word but for lack of a better one, I will go with it) as much as the previous generation. I have the same problem at work. I manage a team of 12 technicians, and 10 of them are in their early 20s. They just don't connect to each other. I've tried to implement things to push them. With 10 different nationalities on the team, I introduced a "heritage day" every last Friday of the month where a different person brings something (snacks etc) from their home country and tells a story about a tradition at home. It's been 2.5 years now and despite my efforts, they still rarely talk about things other than work. It's a different generation for sure.

I'm from a generation where beers after work, or going to see a movie on Saturda with colleagues is just normal. Maybe this is to a degree what Marek means. The players just go their own way and aside from team events, they rarely interact outside of practice and games. If so, it's definitely a problem that goes beyond hockey.


Regarding Gordie Clark and people asking for him to be fired: Tampa Bay didn't fire Al Murray for drafting Slater Koekkoek and Brett Connolly in the top 10. It's not as if Clark has not done anything well.

Kreider at 19
Miller at 15
Skjei at 28
Shestyorkin in the 4th
Fast in the 6th
Stepan in the 2nd
Hagelin in the 6th
Chytil at 21

I can go on, but Clark's record is better than Ranger fans give him credit for
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It’s the smart phone generation imo. Take a look, they’re all anti social and on their phones but don’t connect with each other.
 
Look, even when you're under 21 years old, there's a way to go about things. That's what you have an agent for. This packing up your stuff and leaving shtick is absurd and unacceptable. Andersson has put his short-term trade value and longer term career prospects at a needless disadvantage because he did something very stupid and immaturely.
 
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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Look, even when you're under 21 years old, there's a way to go about things. That's what you have an agent for. This packing up your stuff and leaving shtick is absurd and unacceptable. Andersson has put his short-term trade value and longer term career prospects at a needless disadvantage because he did something very stupid and immaturely.
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Pretty much agreed. Again, I’m hoping he’s just clearing his own head around the holidays and plans to report back soon but leaving the team just isn’t acceptable. No issue with requesting a trade but you keep playing until something’s resolved.
 
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Imagine demanding a trade right before Christmas and leaving your team when you’re an awful player. It’s like um ok bye. As if there’s a market out there for a kid that can barely keep up at the AHL level. Is Ronning going to demand a trade next?
 
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Bleed Ranger Blue said:
Look, even when you're under 21 years old, there's a way to go about things. That's what you have an agent for. This packing up your stuff and leaving shtick is absurd and unacceptable. Andersson has put his short-term trade value and longer term career prospects at a needless disadvantage because he did something very stupid and immaturely.
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This seems to be becoming the norm.....
 
At least mittlestadt is in the A looking mediocre and Vilardi has been injured since 2017. Coulda been worse. Kings fans talk about Vilardi like he's 28 yr old Gaborik.
 
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Not sure if anyone mentioned it but Carp has an article about Lias from yesterday.

Here’s a choice quote or two from it

One source close to the situation said Andersson thinks he’s better than he actually is. He thought he had a great camp, and it was decent, but certainly not great. And he also thinks he’s better than Howden, and the Rangers don’t.
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When Andersson was demoted to Hartford, after not earning much more than fourth-line minutes with the Rangers, he sulked there. He blamed Quinn. And by the way, this idea the coach doesn’t like him, or any player, is completely absurd.
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Kovalev27 said:
Imagine demanding a trade right before Christmas and leaving your team when you’re an awful player. It’s like um ok bye. As if there’s a market out there for a kid that can barely keep up at the AHL level. Is Ronning going to demand a trade next?
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I would be shocked if Gropp had not asked for a trade after his incident earlier. Ronning probably will, as well. We've moved guys like them before, generally for other guys in a similar boat. Other teams have fringe prospects wanting to be moved. LIke we moved Nigel Williams, who was also a real turd, for Stu Bickel. Williams wanted to be moved. When Byers asked for a trade, we moved him for Kolarik. Kundratek asked for a move and we traded him. IIRC Mat Bodie was another guy who wanted a chance elsewhere and we moved him out. And this of course says nothing of the European players who we've mutually terminated because they wanted to go back to Europe. So the lesser guys ask to be moved pretty regularly, and it seems that we normally oblige.

Again, though, the difference here is that Andersson went AWOL. Asking for a trade would be fine. To just peace out, not a wise choice.
 
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We should have taken Chytil at 7 and Ukka Pekka Luukonen at 21. If we are going to have a guy not make it I at least want to have a fun name to say for a while.
 
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Amazing Kreiderman said:
This is definitely an interesting situation to look at. The new generation doesn't appreciate "togetherness" (Not even sure if that's a word but for lack of a better one, I will go with it) as much as the previous generation. I have the same problem at work. I manage a team of 12 technicians, and 10 of them are in their early 20s. They just don't connect to each other. I've tried to implement things to push them. With 10 different nationalities on the team, I introduced a "heritage day" every last Friday of the month where a different person brings something (snacks etc) from their home country and tells a story about a tradition at home. It's been 2.5 years now and despite my efforts, they still rarely talk about things other than work. It's a different generation for sure.

I'm from a generation where beers after work, or going to see a movie on Saturda with colleagues is just normal. Maybe this is to a degree what Marek means. The players just go their own way and aside from team events, they rarely interact outside of practice and games. If so, it's definitely a problem that goes beyond hockey.
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I hate reality shows, but it might be interesting to see just what the new generation would do if they were forced to "mingle" the same way players did in the past. I'm sure the results would be mind-boggling.
 
Oscar Lindberg said:
Not sure if anyone mentioned it but Carp has an article about Lias from yesterday.

Here’s a choice quote or two from it
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I have no doubt as to the veracity of the first quote.

The second part, about the coach not liking a player? I actually don't buy that at all. I think most coaches at all levels have guys they don't like, be it personality conflicts, stuff they do on the ice, etc. It's human nature. When you're responsible for a group of 25 or so guys, there will invariably be one or two you just plain don't like.

Now, that doesn't mean you let your personal feelings affect how you manage the team. I've actually said, however, that it felt like Quinn didn't like Lias, and maybe didn't like DeAngelo--said this going back to last year. I could be completely wrong, but who knows. I just don't like to dismiss out of hand the idea that the coach might not like a player.

Still doesn't justify going AWOL.
 
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WeRa said:
He has no reason to blame anyone. His job was to play his best in the AHL.. just like Filip Chytil.
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I agree with him that he had a good camp, and that he outplayed Howden. I said all year last year he should be given minutes ahead of Howden as well. So, I'm actually with him on those points.

However, when he went down last year I pointed out he was sulking and not playing hard. And he basically did the same this year--I think the effort was a bit better but not much. And that part is unacceptable. I understand the frustration of how he was utilized in the NHL, I really do. I agree with his sentiments. But you have to go and give it your all even if you feel it's unfair you're in the AHL. If nothing else you play your ass off to make yourself more desirable to better teams, so you don't end up getting dealt to some shithole organization.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
I would be shocked if Gropp had not asked for a trade after his incident earlier. Ronning probably will, as well. We've moved guys like them before, generally for other guys in a similar boat. Other teams have fringe prospects wanting to be moved. LIke we moved Nigel Williams, who was also a real turd, for Stu Bickel. Williams wanted to be moved. When Byers asked for a trade, we moved him for Kolarik. Kundratek asked for a move and we traded him. IIRC Mat Bodie was another guy who wanted a chance elsewhere and we moved him out. And this of course says nothing of the European players who we've mutually terminated because they wanted to go back to Europe. So the lesser guys ask to be moved pretty regularly, and it seems that we normally oblige.

Again, though, the difference here is that Andersson went AWOL. Asking for a trade would be fine. To just peace out, not a wise choice.
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Has a three point game in the AHL (followed by nine goose eggs) and thinks he’s William Nylander. The nerve on this guy ... unsubstantiated arrogance. That’s the phrase.
 
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nyr2k2 said:
The second part, about the coach not liking a player? I actually don't buy that at all. I think most coaches at all levels have guys they don't like, be it personality conflicts, stuff they do on the ice, etc. It's human nature. When you're responsible for a group of 25 or so guys, there will invariably be one or two you just plain don't like.
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Yeah I agree with this. Coaches will never admit it publicly but there is going to be guys they don’t like, plain and simple
 
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Think about this too. In the 3 years he’s played here. Not once. Not once did you see Lias Andersson beat a goalie with a shot clean. He’s had a couple go off him or tap in one or two in front but not once the entire time did the kid get the puck and fire a shot by a goalie who saw it coming. That’s really hard to do. Now that we know his character is shit and that medal toss was more him being a brat than anything I’m not quite sure what exactly he does well enough to be a pro hockey player in North America.
 
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