OT: Let's talk about movies (and TV shows)... Part IX

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Brainiac

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I can't agree more with W7 on that one.

Actually, I pretend that TDKR doesn't exist. Just like I pretend that The Matrix didn't have any sequels. :laugh:
 

Andy

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Sounds alright, but graphic novels and movies are soooooo different in so many ways. And Batman's MO was established in Batman Begins and then completely torn apart in TDKR because Nolan wanted to shove in some libertarian commentary on the Occupy movement or something.
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So what's the alternative then? Was Nolan then to set up the plot so that the bomb would ultimately explode at night time? Or was Batman not to do anything because the final act took place during the day?

Again, there is nothing in source material that confines Batman to operating at night. Even the new 52 comics have a significant story line where Batman fights during the day. I don't see the tension you are trying to promote here.

The aspect didn't bother me at all. My biggest gripe with TDKR was that it moved way too fast and the various elements of the script didn't have time to breathe. It's too bad Nolan wanted to move on from Batman, because the best approach would have probably been to split the final film into two movies. Part I would follow the story until batman is broken by bane. Part II would go more into depth on the recovery.

It is what it is I guess.
 
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In the Dark Knight Returns (often regarded as one the best Batman graphic novels out there), Batman fights Sups in the day time.

He does and its awesome. Actually thought it was night time when they had it out but either way its boss.
 

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So what's the alternative then? Was Nolan then to set up the plot so that the bomb would ultimately explode at night time? Or was Batman not to do anything because the final act took place during the day?

Batman would have known better and fought Bane the night just before that day! :sarcasm:

The aspect didn't bother me at all. My biggest gripe with TDKR was that it moved way too fast and the various elements of the script didn't have time to breathe. It's too bad Nolan wanted to move on from Batman, because the best approach would have probably been to split the final film into two movies. Part I would follow the story until batman is broken by bane. Part II would go more into depth on the recovery.

Totally agreed, there was too much stuff in that movie. In the end, you don't even care what happens.
 

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The reason Batman fought during the day is that Bane beat him up in the dark. It is in the dialogue of the movie "i was born in the darkness," the darkness benefits bane a lot more and this is a disadvantage to Batman.

There are legitimate problems with TDKR but this is not one of them.
 
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Andy

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The reason Batman fought during the day is that Bane beat him up in the dark. It is in the dialogue of the movie "i was born in the darkness," the darkness benefits bane a lot more and this is a disadvantage to Batman.

There are legitimate problems with TDKR but this is not one of them.

Excellent point.
 

WhiskeySeven*

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The reason Batman fought during the day is that Bane beat him up in the dark. It is in the dialogue of the movie "i was born in the darkness," the darkness benefits bane a lot more and this is a disadvantage to Batman.

There are legitimate problems with TDKR but this is not one of them.
Damn you got a legitimate point there.
 

Brainiac

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Damn you got a legitimate point there.

Well, not sure about that one.

Fighting during the day is not really a better option... Especially against an army of guys with machine guns.

If that was the narrative, logically, Batman would have to come up with a way of outsmarting Bane. Not trying to outpunch him in plain daylight.
 

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I like, dismiss, and loathe all kinds of movies.

Worst ive seen this year are Avengers 2 and Divergent 2.

Best are Ex Machina and Clouds of Sils Maria.

I will be watching Pixar's latest masterpiece this weekend.
 

WhiskeySeven*

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New season of True Detective started off on the right foot. I loved it. I can't possibly comprehend the overly detailed criticism of these idiots who expected the exact same thing as s1.
 

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New season of True Detective started off on the right foot. I loved it. I can't possibly comprehend the overly detailed criticism of these idiots who expected the exact same thing as s1.

I am honestly dreading the hipster, failed-smartass backlash we are definitely gping to get with True Detective season two.

Everything (everything) good from Hollywood gets a backlash from people trying to prove how smart they are, to themselves and to others. The underlying, puerile, and dim assumption is that by crapping on that which is good they prove that their tastes are even higher. These same people never have the guts to crap on the Godfather or 2001.
 

Kimota

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What is MEG?

Long story short...

This the book that started the Megalodon shark craze. In the mid 90s, author Terry Allen wrote "MEG" about the emergance of a Giant Great White. I had learned about it in the magazine Fangoria. And my thought was, if it's decent enough to be featured in a magazine then it must not be that bad.

The book itself is a great romp and what makes it different from Jaws is that the shark is not as shy. They talk about how the Megalodon is essentially a giant Great White, a beast from a race that lived for million of years. And his predatory sense sort of match that in that the beast never stops and it's smarter, more dangerous than any other sharks. That's the appeal of the story and it's much more bloody than Jaws.

Story is centered around this guy Jonas who quit the marines in shame cause when he was driving a submarine, he saw something that scared the Hell out of him, he went too quick at the surface and it killed crew members. All during the book people crap on Jonas, they laugh at him for what happened to him, how he saw "ghosts". Then a Japanese Ocean Institute contact him and they want him to go back to the Mariana Trenches, the deepest places of all oceans in the World for exploration cause he knows the place. (lol) Nevermind that it's the place where things went bad for him. He goes there and he screws up again and he brings something else with him on the surface.

Only thing I'll add to that is that there's a reason the guy is called "Jonas".

MEG, cause of the success of the book went into movie development but stayed in development Hell for ages cause it was judged too expensive to make. Fans of big sharks and the book asked for years when they were going to make the movie but no answer. That is, until Jurassic World broke major banks. MEG was green light last week!

Jurassic World still sucked, though. Hopefully MEG is better and more horror and rated R.
 

WhiskeySeven*

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I am honestly dreading the hipster, failed-smartass backlash we are definitely gping to get with True Detective season two.

Everything (everything) good from Hollywood gets a backlash from people trying to prove how smart they are, to themselves and to others. The underlying, puerile, and dim assumption is that by crapping on that which is good they prove that their tastes are even higher. These same people never have the guts to crap on the Godfather or 2001.
That's why I'm here trying to spit some love back into the world.

Both True Detective and Ballers were highly enjoyable and original, so of course the contrarians will hate on them. It's not like they're poorly executed shows either, the first episode of True Detective was fine.
 

Kimota

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Well Matthew Vaughn directed Kick-Ass, and it's supposed to be an action-comedy. I thought it was hammy but fun, and the established possibility of death/murder is sooooo much more effective than the implied one.

In the Avengers for instance, all this destruction implies death but no one dies on screen because it has to stay pg-13. No main character dies either because they're signed for seven more films. And if they do die, they'll come back to life. Same goes for civilians, thousands of space-slugs attack Manhattan and no one dies on screen, they just get some scrapes and dust in their face (which I guess would lead to mesothelioma over the long-term.) But generally, there is no risk, no reward, no stakes.

Kingsman wasn't like that, and I liked it.

Vaughn makes fun movies with some cartoon ultra violence thrown him. It's very much watchable but there's nothing deep into anything he does. The Kingsman comic-book(called Secret Agent) was much more grounded, all around better. It was very much anti-Bond whereas, the Vaughn movie was very much Roger Moore with modern violence.
 

WhiskeySeven*

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Vaughn makes fun movies with some cartoon ultra violence thrown him. It's very much watchable but there's nothing deep into anything he does. The Kingsman comic-book(called Secret Agent) was much more grounded, all around better. It was very much anti-Bond whereas, the Vaughn movie was very much Roger Moore with modern violence.
Well said. I don't know the original material so I went into blind and enjoyed it.

The theme song to this year's True Detective is friggin Leonard Cohen!! I knew I recognized the man's voice.

 

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I agree with W7 both True Detective and Ballers were good. I loved Ballers. The Rock was awesome but I found it showed a side of professional football that we ignore. The guy who lives in a mansion, blew his Rookie signing bonus, living with his whole family and the crew he grew up with. The retired player who had a meaningless career now having trouble finding work/life outside the game. Heck, the opening scene had the Rock munching on pain killers as soon as he got out of bed. I see a lot of good potential in Ballers.
 

Kimota

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About DKR, I hate this movie cause it was sort of all the big set pieces that were creeping in in the Nolan Batman flicks that exploded there. For example I loved Batman Begins but the ending was too overblown to me. I didn't like the big steam machine and the big car and the train crash. In Dark Knight, great movie but I thought the ending was too much with the people in the two boats and the hostages disguised as clowns and all that mess with Bats fighting the SWAT guys and the criminals and them being suspended. Finally I didn't like the radar phones thing.

In DKR, it was all these little scenes but taken to the extreme. You don't need to explode a stadium in a Batman movie. You don't need a giant flying ship either. It's a Batman movie! The guy is a street-level detective! Just do that. My version of a Joker movie would be like Fritz Lang's "M". A smoke-filled timeless city, a freakish man strike terror into people. The police, the criminal element and a masked vigilante are after him. You don't need more than that in a Batman film. You don't even need one explosion.
 

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I like, dismiss, and loathe all kinds of movies.

Worst ive seen this year are Avengers 2 and Divergent 2.

Best are Ex Machina and Clouds of Sils Maria.

I will be watching Pixar's latest masterpiece this weekend.

Caught it yesterday with the kiddies, thought it was brilliant, best animated movie since UP
 

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I've been binging on movies from Netflix during my recovery and I caught a decent flick. Too bad I watched it alone, because I would have enjoyed talking about it with the Mrs.

In Time, starring Justin Timberlake and Amanda Seyfried. The movie is in a world where time is the currency. Literally. People find way to get more time, use their time to buy anything and everything but try to not waste their own time as well. It's brilliantly thought out and the story was enough to keep me invested throughout. Was it a masterpiece? Probably not, but it was good enough to leave a lasting impression on me and keep me thinking afterwards on the meaning of the message portrayed.
 

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i knew Vince Vaughn was gonna ruin True Detective for me. the only role he plays is himself, dude has no acting skills whatsoever.

i liked ballers, im sure the storyline is gonna provide some quality entertainement (especially if youre a sports fan). too bad the episodes are only 30 mins long.

didnt bother watching the brink
 
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