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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
A bit lost in history is how good TGO's first two seasons here were.
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When we did the franchise All-Time Centers project, I could not be convinced Gretzky didn't belong in the top 10. Partly because of how good he was in his short stint here, partly because of how pathetic the franchise depth chart is. He finished T-10 with Esposito.
 
People need to get their facts straight on Tinordi. That was Esposito not Smith. As I said in an earlier thread the guy had no business running a team. He'd make a trade every week. His first two years he had no patience for youth.

As for 1992; there was that mini work stoppage that hurt the Rangers momentum. Also that team was very very young. The Defense also was better in 1994. We've talked about it here a zillion times; anything Smith did up until 1994 was fine. It's after that was a complete disaster despite 1997 being a fun run and maybe slightly different if AK27 was available for that post season.
 
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Overcast said:
I feel the opposite - to me most of the players NYR drafts are a role/support player. JT Miller, Hagelin, Weise, Fast, Kreider, Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov just from recent memory. All decent to good players, all nice pieces, but none in that upper echelon of players. None that could be The Guy™. We just in turn use those kinds of guys to get established NHLers (Brassard [who we turned in to Zib], Nash, Zib, MSL). What they can't do (and it's really no fault of theirs as an organization) is get a truly top flight forward/defenseman through the draft. Maybe Cherepanov could have been that, maybe Kravstov could be that actual gamebreaker down the road. Not just a ~50 point player at their peak.
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They didn't play supporting roles.

My point is, go back and look at the resources used on the traditional role guys since the 2000: Bogaard, Brashear, McLeod, Powe, Halpern, Ward, Voros, Rismiller, Shelley, White, Rupp, Pyatt, Stempniak, Carcillo, Glass, Malone, Taylor, Toms, Cigar, Dawe, Whitfield, Simon, Green, Niemenen, Taffe, Federov, Cullen, Rucchin, Hall, Isbister, Krog, G Moore, Asham, Pouliot, Dorsett. The money spent of the assets given up to acquire these guys is astonishing.
 
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True Blue said:
In reminiscing on all this, some of my old hates come back. I used to and still do detest the Islanders. That never stops. Same with Philly. Pens I have detested from go and it is all Maryo's fault. Crosby is marginally less of a cry baby. Though I will say that I could not stand Mike Flockheart at all.For some reason, the Devils have never rose to the level of "detest" that I have for the Isles or Philly.

I remember also disliking the Caps a lot. Bondra, Druce, etc. Clearly recall a fight between Barry Beck & Rod Langway. Utter slugfest.
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Would love to see footage of that one .
 
Nemchinov was a very valuable Ranger....what a find for us . How did he actually end up being a Ranger ? Drafted ? He was such a workhorse .
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
They didn't play supporting roles.

My point is, go back and look at the resources used on the traditional role guys since the 2000: Bogaard, Brashear, McLeod, Powe, Halpern, Ward, Voros, Rismiller, Shelley, White, Rupp, Pyatt, Stempniak, Carcillo, Glass, Malone, Taylor, Toms, Cigar, Dawe, Whitfield, Simon, Green, Niemenen, Taffe, Federov, Cullen, Rucchin, Hall, Isbister, Krog, G Moore, Asham, Pouliot, Dorsett. The money spent of the assets given up to acquire these guys is astonishing.
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This list is hilarious.

Stempniak, Halpern, Ward, Nieminen and Malone were signed for less than a million per year.

Pouliot, Simon and Pyatt were signed for under $1.6M per.

Fedorov and Taffe were shots in the dark acquired for prospects on the verge of busting.

White and Powe were salary dumps taken for other guys on your list.

Toms, Krog and McLeod were claimed off waivers.

Josh Green was acquired for a conditional pick that was never realized.

Adam Hall was acquired by trading a home-grown depth player of similar age.

Jason Dawe was acquired for Evgeny Namestnikov (!)

G. Moore? Greg Moore? What on earth is he doing on this list?

Matt Cullen was signed as a free agent then traded for assets after one season.

Brad Isbister was acquired for the rights to Jakub Petruzalek., who I appreciate you not trying to slip on this list.

Astonishing, yes.
 
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SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
They didn't play supporting roles.

My point is, go back and look at the resources used on the traditional role guys since the 2000: Bogaard, Brashear, McLeod, Powe, Halpern, Ward, Voros, Rismiller, Shelley, White, Rupp, Pyatt, Stempniak, Carcillo, Glass, Malone, Taylor, Toms, Cigar, Dawe, Whitfield, Simon, Green, Niemenen, Taffe, Federov, Cullen, Rucchin, Hall, Isbister, Krog, G Moore, Asham, Pouliot, Dorsett. The money spent of the assets given up to acquire these guys is astonishing.
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Just because they didn't/don't play supporting roles here doesn't mean they're not supporting players. Once upon a time Erik Christensen was our 1C. I don't feel Cullen belongs in this grouping either. Sather never hid that he likes big tough guys whose sole job it was to "intimidate", and regularly went out every season to get whichever was available that hadn't played for NYR yet.

Regarding your list - I didn't go through the entire thing, but at least 75% of it - 9/10 of them signed here as FAs, most got as little as 700k and as much as ~1.6mil/yr, and most were out of the organization inside 2 seasons. Dorsett was part of the Gaborik trade that also netted us Brassard.

700k-1.6mil could have potentially netted us a Brouwer or Perreault-esque player over a Boogaard or Rupp based solely on numbers, but what's to say those guys that were available wanted to come here? As for assets given up - For the guys we did trade for, we gave up career AHLers and conditional 6th/7th round picks. None of those were going to be the difference maker in just about any situation unless you're holding your breath that the next 7th rounder we take is another Lundqvist.

Could they have acquired better players? From the outside looking in, of course. But we aren't privy to 99% of the information that the FO is, so it's easy to say "Why didn't they get this guy or that guy?" Maybe they weren't available. Maybe they didn't want to play here. All in all, I look at those signings/acquisitions as inconsequential in the grand scheme of the team's makeup or that they hamstrung management's ability to put together a competitive team.
 
My biggest misses as the Rangers writer on HF were Evgeny Grachev and Danny Kristo. My favorite prospect stories though come from Rory Rawlyk (he was a Rangers prospect when I took over the beat in 2005). Surprising to see that, at age 35, he is still playing hockey in the Southern Pro league. What a character he was.
 
Leslie Treff said:
My biggest misses as the Rangers writer on HF were Evgeny Grachev and Danny Kristo. My favorite prospect stories though come from Rory Rawlyk (he was a Rangers prospect when I took over the beat in 2005). Surprising to see that, at age 35, he is still playing hockey in the Southern Pro league. What a character he was.
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I rarely claim to speak for everyone, but I think we all miss hearing more from Leslie Treff!

As to your post, remember Grachev and Kristo.
Rawlyk got under my radar.
 
Of guys that I hated, I can pretty much list all of the Islanders and Flyers. Especially those dynastic Isles. Hated them. Respected but hated. They had a perfect blend of skill and toughness. And they absolutely tormented the Rangers. Gillies, good ole' Headbutt Nystrom, Potvin....
 
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True Blue said:
Of guys that I hated, I can pretty much list all of the Islanders and Flyers. Especially those dynastic Isles. Hated them. Respected but hated. They had a perfect blend of skill and toughness. And they absolutely tormented the Rangers. Gillies, good ole' Headbutt Nystrom, Potvin....
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I couldn't respect those *******. Any goalie that purposely sharpened his stick to injure players is nothing but a grade A ********* in my book.

That whole group from Arbour down to Butch Goring's Snoopy helmet can fall off a boat into Long Island Sound for all I care. Hate every one of them.
 
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leetch99 said:
Nemchinov was a very valuable Ranger....what a find for us . How did he actually end up being a Ranger ? Drafted ? He was such a workhorse .
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Sarge was drafted in 12th round, 24 overall in 1990
New York Rangers Draft History at hockeydb.com

Weight 34th overall,
Zubov 85th

journeyman w Jeff Nielsen was the only other of 14 NYR '90 picks to play NHL

1st rounder was Mich St Spartans' D Michael Stewart
spent 8 years in NA minors, 10 season in Europe ...
drafted behind Jagr, Nolan, Nedved Ricci, Sydor, DHatcher,
and AHEAD of Brodeur, KTkachuk, Kozlov, Bondra, KPrimeau,
and most of the 35+ guys from that draft who exceeded 500 NHL games
1990 NHL Entry Draft Picks at hockeydb.com
 
NCRanger said:
I couldn't respect those *******. Any goalie that purposely sharpened his stick to injure players is nothing but a grade A ********* in my book.
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Dirtier, Smith or Hextall?
That whole group from Arbour down to Butch Goring's Snoopy helmet can fall off a boat into Long Island Sound for all I care. Hate every one of them.
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Oh, I detested them all.

Funnily enough, being from this area, the Devils I only disliked. But I HATED the Isles and Flyers. Still hate those two teams. Which is why two of the best comeuppance moments were Cloutier demolishing Salo and then challenging the entire team and the Orr knockout of Fedoruk.
 
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