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Are you happy with the return for our past core players?

  • Im happy

    Votes: 138 76.2%

  • Im not happy

    Votes: 32 17.7%

  • I want to die

    Votes: 11 6.1%
  • Total voters
    181
  • Poll closed .
Edge said:
I think the general consensus is that the Rangers have done very well over the last 12 months in what they've been able to bring back.

Now having said that, you have to view it through the prism that trading established NHL talent for prospects and picks is usually not an equal value exchange --- especially in the immediate aftermath of said transaction.

So one shouldn't look at the deals and say, "Player A, who was drafted with the pick acquired for Player B, needs to replace Player B in order for the trade to be a success."

I know that sounds like a given, and pretty basic, but you'd be surprised how often conversations drift in that direction.
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Good post.

My biggest concern now is talent evaluation.
 
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We need a 4th

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option on the poll.
 
GeorgeKaplan said:
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Again, my interpretation is that when Gorton speaks about accelerating the rebuild, it will be through trading assets to add a young player either currently at the NHL who fits in with current timeline, or a one ready to step into the NHL, not through expensive free agents. I don’t expect either Panarin or Karlsson to be a Ranger next year.
 
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jas said:
Again, my interpretation is that when Gorton speaks about accelerating the rebuild, it will be through trading assets to add a young player either currently at the NHL who fits in with current timeline, or a one ready to step into the NHL, not through expensive free agents. I don’t expect either Panarin or Karlsson to be a Ranger next year.
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Which I think is illustrated by Lemieux, played in the NHL this year, just a bit younger than DeAngelo, Pionk, Buch, all of them pending RFAs, all likely looking at some sort of bridge contract I'd estimate.

(Georgiev's entry level ends next off-season, maybe bridged too?)

Those bridges would likely end at the same time Chytil, Lias, Howden, Hajek, Lindgren, are coming off their entry levels. Possibly also Shestyorkin too as his entry level would end sooner as he'd be older when signing it.

Past them, the entry levels to anyone who makes the NHL from the 2018, 2019 drafts, also end.

Lot's of 2nd contracts (bridges and possibly long term off the entry level), possible some third contracts off those bridges also corresponding to when Lundqvist, Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith would all naturally end if not moved prior.

This is good forward looking cap thinking. Sticking a Panarin/Karlsson in there would complicate all that.

(I know you dislike it but Kreider maybe too, albeit I'm sure there is some wiggle room in there should they decide to extend)
 
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GeorgeKaplan said:
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guy doesnt say much. like hes reading a script.

more picks are great if you know how to draft. the dont. last year was better however.

39OA last yr and you take a goalie ?? seriously..... was he the BPA at that point ?

excuse me if I'm not sold on your ability to do what you say.

ryan gropp anyone ? LOLOLO
 
Gorton should get solid marks for what he has done so far in terms of trades. Exactly what rebuild needs. IMHO after 3/4 of a season he really nailed the coaching staff which should not be discounted. If Quinn gets the best out of all (most) of our youngsters for the future core - it would be great win. I mean just look at how ADA progressed making the Stepan trade look much better now than barely half a year ago.

The other part we will not find out until draft picks are turned into prospects and these prospects develop, but given what he heard about who the FO was targeting (but unable to draft for the reasons beyond their control) and how the actual draftees developed so far - there's a reason to be optimistic.
 
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offdacrossbar said:
guy doesnt say much. like hes reading a script.

more picks are great if you know how to draft. the dont. last year was better however.

39OA last yr and you take a goalie ?? seriously..... was he the BPA at that point ?

excuse me if I'm not sold on your ability to do what you say.

ryan gropp anyone ? LOLOLO
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Oh, they can’t draft?

Something you and the team have in common, because the prospects you like usually end up being f***ing terrible.
 
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kovazub94 said:
Gorton should get solid marks for what he has done so far in terms of trades. Exactly what rebuild needs. IMHO after 3/4 of a season he really nailed the coaching staff which should not be discounted. If Quinn gets the best out of all (most) of our youngsters for the future core - it would be great win. I mean just look at how ADA progressed making the Stepan trade look much better now than barely half a year ago.

The other part we will not find out until draft picks are turned into prospects and these prospects develop, but given what he heard about who the FO was targeting (but unable to draft for the reasons beyond their control) and how the actual draftees developed so far - there's a reason to be optimistic.
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Agreed. Besides, Gorton is also not a scout, and the quality of the choices a manager makes is always limited by the quality of available information. He pulls the trigger, yes, but poor prospect development due to poor coaching or scouting should not be on him -- unless he was apathetic or ignorant with respect to those shortcomings. Bottom line: a longer track record is needed before we can judge his rebuild -- though his seeming lack of attention towards Hartford does concern me a bit.
 
The Norwegian reporter who broke the Zuccarello trade posted two tweets today that roughly translate to:

"Dallas has a clear advantage [in resigning Zucc]" and "Dallas has made a really good first impression on him"

See in the thread here:



Maybe the odds of Zucc resigning with Dallas (and us getting their first) are higher than we initially thought.
 
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Off Sides said:
Which I think is illustrated by Lemieux, played in the NHL this year, just a bit younger than DeAngelo, Pionk, Buch, all of them pending RFAs, all likely looking at some sort of bridge contract I'd estimate.

(Georgiev's entry level ends next off-season, maybe bridged too?)

Those bridges would likely end at the same time Chytil, Lias, Howden, Hajek, Lindgren, are coming off their entry levels. Possibly also Shestyorkin too as his entry level would end sooner as he'd be older when signing it.

Past them, the entry levels to anyone who makes the NHL from the 2018, 2019 drafts, also end.

Lot's of 2nd contracts (bridges and possibly long term off the entry level), possible some third contracts off those bridges also corresponding to when Lundqvist, Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith would all naturally end if not moved prior.

This is good forward looking cap thinking. Sticking a Panarin/Karlsson in there would complicate all that.

(I know you dislike it but Kreider maybe too, albeit I'm sure there is some wiggle room in there should they decide to extend)
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Look, I understand Kreider is a very complicated matter right now. I don’t think you can use the examples of Brassard and Stepan as a guide to how to deal with Kreider, as both players were showing signs of dropoff leading up to their respective departures. Even moving Hayes only tells me that he likely represented a potential impediment to whichever young center they deem as the other top six centers. Kreider is unique, and, IMO would be an asset for this rebuild going forward. He’s not one-dimensional as some of his critics claim. He has embraced becoming a leader. And, the truth is, and the analytics bear this out, he lifts the play of his linemates. He’d Be the perfect winger if this team would luck out and add the likes of Hughes or even Cozens/Dach. I would be perfectly comfortable giving him a six-year, $42 million deal, and would even include a limited 10-team NTC. It, if that doesn’t get it done, then you move him.
 
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MahomesIsGod said:
Oh, they can’t draft?

Something you and the team have in common, because the prospects you like usually end up being ****ing terrible.
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yes that kuznetsov guy is awful so is the other russian dude tarasenko. you got me there :sarcasm:

ryan gropp ? lololo

sean day !!!

the entire 2015 draft

keegan iverson WHO ????

your words make me chuckle.
 
offdacrossbar said:
yes that kuznetsov guy is awful so is the other russian dude tarasenko. you got me there :sarcasm:

ryan gropp ? lololo

sean day !!!

the entire 2015 draft

keegan iverson WHO ????

your words make me chuckle.
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oh wow, you thought Tarasenko and Kuznetsov were good???? congrats, so did everyone else. i seem to recall nearly everyone here begging for tarasenko, including me.
 
jas said:
Again, my interpretation is that when Gorton speaks about accelerating the rebuild, it will be through trading assets to add a young player either currently at the NHL who fits in with current timeline, or a one ready to step into the NHL, not through expensive free agents. I don’t expect either Panarin or Karlsson to be a Ranger next year.
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yup.

panarin doesnt make any sense. counter to the plan.

use assets like picks to draft talent or use those picks to add players who fit the rebuild.

that does make sense, problem is

we drafted olof lindbolm 39OA last year.

our draft history is littered with so-so picks and out right misses. last year is still too early to tell.

please remember, of our top 15 scorers on this years roster just 1 week ago, only 5 were drafted by us.

let that sink in
 
All teams hit on some picks in the 2-7 round (unless you are Edmonton). The later in the draft, the more quantity beats quality. Having those extra 7. rounders might meen that we will draft that Leason or Fagemo instead of letting them pass trough.
Give me as many lottery tickets as possible. A Strome, Fast or Namestnikov at next years deadline might give us another Shestyorkin, Buchnevich or Gettinger.

2 good younng players on an ELC/bridge + a 2. rond pick might give us a 1. liner or 1. pairing from a team with cap problems or missing depth. In 2008 im sure the combo of Callahan and Dubinsky would be a good base for a 1. line talent.
I belive when Gorton speaks about accelerating the rebuildt its about "trading" up in talent using some of the numbers of cheap cost controlled assets we gather in the period from the Stepan trade to the 2020 draft.

Our farm is one of the better in the NHL at the moment. After the 2020 draft it should be totaly stacked and the big club will have anumber of young cost controlled assets of varying quality.
 
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