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Are you happy with the return for our past core players?

  • Im happy

    Votes: 138 76.2%

  • Im not happy

    Votes: 32 17.7%

  • I want to die

    Votes: 11 6.1%
  • Total voters
    181
  • Poll closed .
offdacrossbar said:
straddling ?

his plan seems to be exactly what you would do to be in the middle ????
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Who said that? His plans seem to be to move away from the dreaded middle.
this organization will not support or tolerate a complete tear down.
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The past need not rule the future. What you are seeing now, you have not seen this franchise do as of yet.
quinn wasn't brought here to lose 40 games per his first 3 seasons.
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Quinn was brought here to change the culture and develop a new personality. He was brought here to develop young players.
no way this organization allows that. we couldn't even tank properly.
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An all out tanking was a part of your plan. Not Gorton's.
they will try to make the playoffs every season and just miss for a few years
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Yeah. Just look at this year and last year. All in for another kick at the can
sadly, we are in the middle right now and will be there for a while.
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This does not appear to be a playoff bubble team.
 
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True Blue said:
Who said that? His plans seem to be to move away from the dreaded middle.

The past need not rule the future. What you are seeing now, you have not seen this franchise do as of yet.

Quinn was brought here to change the culture and develop a new personality. He was brought here to develop young players.

An all out tanking was a part of your plan. Not Gorton's.

Yeah. Just look at this year and last year. All in for another kick at the can

This does not appear to be a playoff bubble team.
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Trading Hayes and Zuccarello at this deadline, signing no big free agents last off-season, plus the moves made at the last trade deadline just screams aiming for the middle and being a playoff bubble team to me, doesn’t it?
 
KreiderBomb said:
He wasnt the only one on the talk shows in Canada. Some felt Brunnstrom was too small to be as impactful as he has been in the NHL.
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I don't think size was ever Fabian Brunnstrom's problem, it was really just injuries that derailed his career.

If these Canadian talk show guys were talking about Erik Brannstrom, I think they sound like idiots.
 
KreiderBomb said:
Interesting thought here but Ottawa is going to need some salary (cheap cap hit) to make the floor next year. Could we retain on Smith or Staal and send one of them there. Staal is owed around 7 million I believe in real dollars over the next two years but a cap hit over 10 if memory serves me correct
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Staal's cap hit is $5.7MM. Next year, he gets paid $5MM in actual dollars and $4.2MM the following year. Smith's cap hit is $4.35MM. Next year he gets paid $4.525 in actual dollars and the following year gets $3.35MM.

Staal has a full NMC. Smith has a 10-team NTC starting next year.

All of this was from cap friendly.
 
jas said:
Trading Hayes and Zuccarello at this deadline, signing no big free agents last off-season, plus the moves made at the last trade deadline just screams aiming for the middle and being a playoff bubble team to me, doesn’t it?
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Certainly follows the script
 
MahomesIsGod said:
Last year’s first round was *mwah*, beautiful. Miller and Kravstov are elite prospects and Lundkvist is low key excellent as well. Same with the 2017 forst round. Still think Andersson will be very good, maybe not as good as Chytil/Krav but an important piece for sure.

We used deadline returns last year to get both Miller and Lundkvist. Those guys are ten times better than any prospect traded outside of Brannstrom. If we got that level of prospect for Hayes people would be doing backflips.

Still need that one franchise piece to tie it all together. We get that and everything will fall into place.
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Some lottery luck and signing Panarin could take care of that.
 
patnyrnyg said:
Staal's cap hit is $5.7MM. Next year, he gets paid $5MM in actual dollars and $4.2MM the following year. Smith's cap hit is $4.35MM. Next year he gets paid $4.525 in actual dollars and the following year gets $3.35MM.

Staal has a full NMC. Smith has a 10-team NTC starting next year.

All of this was from cap friendly.
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Shattenkirk is similar. He has been paid $16M these first two years and is due just $10.6M the following two.
 
patnyrnyg said:
Do you think there was a GM out there that would have given a 1st rounder and Gorton opted instead for the 2nd and 3rd with conditions?

Look at what Detroit got for Nyquist. 2nd and 3rd that will likely be later in each round, conditions to improve picks are not as good as what the Rangers picks from the Stars can turn into. Similar production and Nyquist is 2 years younger. Opposing GM's aren't going to pay more because a guy is a fan favorite or has a lot of heart. They make these moves for results.
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Nyquist and Zucc are two different players, but I really don't care enough to argue a post that was three days ago....
 
I think the general consensus is that the Rangers have done very well over the last 12 months in what they've been able to bring back.

Now having said that, you have to view it through the prism that trading established NHL talent for prospects and picks is usually not an equal value exchange --- especially in the immediate aftermath of said transaction.

So one shouldn't look at the deals and say, "Player A, who was drafted with the pick acquired for Player B, needs to replace Player B in order for the trade to be a success."

I know that sounds like a given, and pretty basic, but you'd be surprised how often conversations drift in that direction.
 
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I absolutely love what Gorton has done so far with the rebuild and the returns. For a team that used to trade first rounds picks away with regularity we will have at least 7 the last 3 years and that number could go as high as 9 if certain conditions are met, plus all the other picks and prospects he has garnered as well. He's done well, it's just going to take a few years for this team to be contender again.
 
I think you'll get Dallas' 2020 1st for Zucc.
Sounds like he already likes his new team a lot, and their GM indicated contract talks later.
 
Synergy27 said:
They need to win the lottery this year or next. Or at least pick top 3. This rebuild will do nothing but get us back to where we were without drafting the straw that stirs the drink.
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Yeah if we don't get top 3 this year next or both, we will spend 15 year rebuilding to undershoot what we already had.

It would be like remodeling an outdated room from the 80s, and replacing it with a new room from the 70s.
 
Edge said:
I think the general consensus is that the Rangers have done very well over the last 12 months in what they've been able to bring back.

Now having said that, you have to view it through the prism that trading established NHL talent for prospects and picks is usually not an equal value exchange --- especially in the immediate aftermath of said transaction.

So one shouldn't look at the deals and say, "Player A, who was drafted with the pick acquired for Player B, needs to replace Player B in order for the trade to be a success."

I know that sounds like a given, and pretty basic, but you'd be surprised how often conversations drift in that direction.
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Cut yo jibba jabba fool. Whoever we pick with the pick we got for Hayes needs to replace Hayes in October!
 
Edge said:
You a stone cold sooth sayer RD six to the nine minus one.
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Well I ain't not jive turkey cuz mama didn't raise no fool.

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The timing of the CBA ending, expansion, as well as that of some of their bigger contracts ending, all makes sense to me.

Between now and then they have tons of prospects, current and future to sort through.

At that point they'll know more about what they really need to improve the team further out of all that stockpiling.

If they are careful with their cap structure between now and then, they should have cap space to make those improvements.

Having good drafts is paramount, the conditional stuff hitting and lottery luck would help.
 
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