Blue Jays Discussion: Let the post-winter-meeting, pre-spring-training baseball withdrawl commence!

[Woodman19]

Happ and Estrada are probably wishing they had different agents. Imagine what they would have got if they waited.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Happ and Estrada are probably wishing they had different agents. Imagine what they would have got if they waited.

I'm still laughing about how angry our fanbase was about the Happ signing.

 

[Swervin81]

Lmfao at that Chris Davis deal. My god, that is so bad. Congrats Baltimore, you just played yourselves.

 

[Kurtz]

That Davis deal is going to look Uber silly in 2 years.

How so? He's a 29 year old 1B. Do those guys have a history of poor play after the age of 31?

 

[Mitchy]

That Kennedy deal:

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

How so? He's a 29 year old 1B. Do those guys have a history of poor play after the age of 31?

Name one slugger, regardless of position, who consistently had a strikeout rate over 30% in their prime, who then aged well.

 

[Discoverer]

Five years for Ian Kennedy? Now I know y'all trippin.

That looks baaaaad...

Edit: no idea why my phone just posted that again, but it's worth repeating so I don't mind.

 

[Cor]

Lmfao at that Chris Davis deal. My god, that is so bad. Congrats Baltimore, you just played yourselves.

They literally out bid themselves

 

[Swervin81]

I mean, this is gonna end up worse than the Ryan Howard contract.

 

[Woodman19]

Name one slugger, regardless of position, who consistently had a strikeout rate over 30% in their prime, who then aged well.

Oh thank you lol. You save me so much time doing my follow up posts.

 

[Kurtz]

Name one slugger, regardless of position, who consistently had a strikeout rate over 30% in their prime, who then aged well.

The pool of guys who are ultra effective despite a 30% K rate is pretty small. I can only think of 4 1B that can fall into that category over the past 20 years or so. Howard, Dunn, Thome and Galarraga.

Thome and Galarraga remained great into their 40's. Howard tanked hard. Dunn didn't like baseball.

 

[Woodman19]

The pool of guys who are ultra effective despite a 30% K rate is pretty small. I can only think of 4 1B that can fall into that category over the past 20 years or so. Howard, Dunn, Thome and Galarraga.

Thome and Galarraga remained great into their 40's. Howard tanked hard. Dunn didn't like baseball.

I would also argue that Galaraga and Thome had some "help"

 

[Stats01]

That extra half million could potentially be a big deal in a UFA signing down the road. Its a part of the business and Donaldson apparently commented before that he had nothing against the team no matter how arb goes.

There is no "UFA's' in MLB...going to arbitration over 500k is kind of petty. Just give the guy what he wants. He filed for 11.8 you think 11.3..just pay him lol

 

[RayzorIsDull]

I'm still laughing about how angry our fanbase was about the Happ signing.

Is Happ bringing Ray Searage with him?

 

[le_sean]

Is Happ bringing Ray Searage with him?

Does Happ have amnesia and forget everything Searage taught him? Are the Jays unaware of the mechanical change in Happ's delivery in his successful stint with Pittsburgh? Do they not have access to those tapes to study it on their own?

 

[Woodman19]

Is Happ bringing Ray Searage with him?

He doesn't need to. He is earning money to produce 1.5 WAR a year and he's exceeded that without him for most of his career.

 

[Eyedea]

I would also argue that Galaraga and Thome had some "help"

Thome is a saint.

There is no "UFA's' in MLB...going to arbitration over 500k is kind of petty. Just give the guy what he wants. He filed for 11.8 you think 11.3..just pay him lol

Being the MVP doesn't really change the process. Plenty of organizations look "petty" for filing a close number and taking the player to arbitration. I'd argue the Cubs lowballing Arrieta is more petty. Still, I think both the Jays and JD will agree on middle ground. Same goes for Arrieta and probably Chapman as well.

 

[RayzorIsDull]

He doesn't need to. He is earning money to produce 1.5 WAR a year and he's exceeded that without him for most of his career.

So if Happ performed like he did in his prior Toronto stint that's ok?

 

[Canada4Gold]

Being the MVP doesn't really change the process. Plenty of organizations look "petty" for filing a close number and taking the player to arbitration. I'd argue the Cubs lowballing Arrieta is more petty. Still, I think both the Jays and JD will agree on middle ground. Same goes for Arrieta and probably Chapman as well.

The Jays are a file and trial team so there will be no settling on a middle ground, if they can't sign a long term contact then they will go to abitration and the arbitrator will pick either the Jays number or JD's number.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

So if Happ performed like he did in his prior Toronto stint that's ok?

Do you have any analytical, quantitative, predictive measures of a regression to those numbers, or is it simply wishful thinking on your part?

 

[Eyedea]

The Jays are a file and trial team so there will be no settling on a middle ground, if they can't sign a long term contact then they will go to abitration and the arbitrator will pick either the Jays number or JD's number.

I didn't know whether or not Atkins will continue file and trial. If that's the case then they wouldn't negotiate a long term contract either.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

The pool of guys who are ultra effective despite a 30% K rate is pretty small. I can only think of 4 1B that can fall into that category over the past 20 years or so. Howard, Dunn, Thome and Galarraga.

Thome and Galarraga remained great into their 40's. Howard tanked hard. Dunn didn't like baseball.

None of those players had a 30% strikeout rate in their prime years, save for Howard...we all saw how that turned out.

One thing those hitters mentioned help portray is that K% in power hitters go up as they age, not down. Only God knows where Chris Davis' numbers will go when his contact rates and pull percentage inevitably deteriorate.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I didn't know whether or not Atkins will continue file and trial. If that's the case then they wouldn't negotiate a long term contract either.

I was curious about it and then saw Wilner mention it in a tweet yesterday that they're still gonna be a file and trial team.

 

[jbell886]

 

[Mach85]

Can I get a hallelujah that Dan Duquette did not become the Jays' pres as was rumoured? Other than a congratulatory phone call from Ruben Amaro Jr, I can't imagine anyone will defend this contract.