SeanMoneyHands
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let’s talk about the Blue Jackets… it’s bad.. real bad.
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Yeah for now. Seth Jones isnt fixing everything that plagues the Blue Jackets.Seems to me like they miss Seth Jones.
abo9
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Seems to me like they miss Seth Jones.
Oooof Jones is severely underrated, but I think they avoided something there. 9.5M for 8 years.... they're nowhere near contending.
The assets they received imo fit much better into their situation (Boqvist, pick 12OA 2021 and pick 6OA 2022)
Now, were Sillinger and Jiricek the picks to make? Only time will tell. Boqvist looks like a good one when healthy, Sillinger + Jiricek can end up helping the C situation and D one as well.
Imo the Bjorkstrand trade and Gudbranson extension are much bigger head scratchers than the Jones trade.
BB88
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Seems to me like they miss Seth Jones.
I’d say they are pretty damm thankfull for Jiricek
What a mess of a trade for Chicago
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Listening to the post-game comments has me wondering how the hell Brad Larsen is still the head coach. Gudbranson in particular talking about bad practices and how it was too much to even unpack after last night's drubbing... wow.
Viqsi
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Not getting him either.
Seriously, when it comes to lottery-based anything, nothing goes our way. Ever. It's been twenty-three years and that has been one of the few constants. We might get someone else nice-ish and comparable to KJ, but we're not getting any of those Big Names that folks sit up and take notice for. That just doesn't happen here.
Viqsi
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Obviously, but we didn't get get a choice in that case because Pat Brisson has some kind of hate-on for the Blue Jackets. When one agent takes away your #1RD and #1C, and tries to do the same with your #1LD but is prevented by said player firing that agent so he can stay, you're kind of f***ed no matter what.Seems to me like they miss Seth Jones.
Seriously, Brisson, in terms of damage done to this franchise, is at this point right up there with Doug f***ing MacLean.
tsujimoto74
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Seems to me like they miss Seth Jones.
I bet they’re missing all the D who actually still play for their team but that are currently injured more. They had a bunch of regulars out of the lineup last night.
Arguably their top four. No team eats that sort of a loss and chugs along like nothing is wrong.
Viqsi
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Bean and Werenski are both out for the season. Blankenburg is anticipated out 'till sometime in January. Boqvist might come back this month, but he doesn't exactly substantially add to preventing goals against.
BB88
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Especially a young rebuilding team.
I don’t understand why CBJ would miss Jones right now.
Jones doesn’t allow them to sign Gaudreau, they wouldn’t have Jiricek in the system without the Jones trade.
They are definitely better set up longterm after the Jones trade than they would have been if they were able to re-sign him to that massive contract
Werenski- Jiricek
Mateychuk- Blankenburg
(Gavrikov)- Ceulemans
Looks really good moving forward
tsujimoto74
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Oof. Yeah. There isn’t a team in the league that would be able to absorb those kind of injuries and still field a good defense.
wintersej
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He has some individual good moves. Skipping on Puju in the draft. Making the best out of the PLD situation. But, I think he got overrated because he skipped on Puljujarvi against everyones scouting report and it ended up being right. Overall, though, he has been leading a team that has gone between average and shitty on repeat since 2013.
BB88
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Seth Jones trade
Panarin/Saad trades
PLD trade
Savard/Foligno trades
Quite a few could pull those off given the situation.
Their recent drafting seems very promising as well.
Johnson, Jiricek, Dumais, Chinakhov, Marchenko
He’s made plenty of mistakes(current coach, Merz contract at the top), plenty of elite moves too.
Their location really puts a Gm in a more difficult position(players wanting out, not being able to attract top UFA’s).
Crede777
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It isn't really the location though. Plenty of teams are in middling locations. What holds the team back is lack of history or identity. The league really dropped the ball in the late 90's with supporting new franchises. Atlanta relocated, Nashville persevered because of strong GM and coach, and Minnesota is just... there... despite being in the biggest hockey state.
BB88
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PLD rumouredly wants Montreal
Panarin wanted the lights of New York.
That pretty much broke the core they had.
Getting success will help to overcome that and so far they haven’t had enough that for sure.
Still they’ll never be New York or Florida in location.
On the other hand they are building a core that should be the best they’ve ever had
Crede777
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PLD and Panarin would want out of 31 teams each. Heck, Panarin turned down more money from the Islanders.
BB88
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So location hurt them& with trying to attract some players will continue to hurt.
Jones wanted out as well, Bob wanted Florida.
& still with that said winning and getting more elite talent will help to erase that.
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wintersej
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If all your star players want to leave, I’m not sure if pointing fingers elsewhere is the way to go. There are plenty of other teams that are not Florida and the Rangers who don’t have this problem.
IMHO, prolonged failure is institutionalized, meaning at some point the institution itself must be blown up, i.e., change of owner, change of GM and staff, change of HC and staff. Of course, this only works if you get an aggressive "losing is not an option" owner who rules by some combination of a bottomless wallet and an itchy trigger to quickly fire the incompetent, or else you end up like Phoenix, i.e., a parade of increasingly bad and often chintzy owners.
Viqsi
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2019 was a legit contending team that ran up against Boston. And during that time we had a streak of playoff appearances, which has never before happened in the franchise's history. Losing Panarin hurt, but Panarin wasn't going to stay no matter what JK did - we offered more than the NYR did. Then he was sabotaged by Pat Brisson trying to force all three of our remaining major core players out and succeeding with two of them (the third - Werenski - chose to stay despite that, and had to fire Brisson to make it happen).
Kekalainen is a good (not great) GM who has been subjected to egregiously unreasonable circumstances that, if they happened to virtually any other franchise, would still be a constant item of common knowledge years later on the level of Kerry Fraser's Gretsky noncall. But it's the Blue Jackets, so virtually nobody paid attention, virtually nobody cared, and folks just jump to completely unfounded "they just suck and nobody wants to be there" conclusions.
