let’s talk about the Blue Jackets… it’s bad.. real bad.

[tbcwpg]

Attendance in NJ is pretty complicated due to both the logistics of being in the NYC metro area and the relative age of the fanbase.

Fortunately NJ doesn't depend on gate revenue. The Devils own Prudential Center so ownership gets a cut from all non-Devils events held there. Owning the arena is where most of the franchise's value comes from, owning the team itself is just a nice perk. They also have a pretty lucrative TV deal.

I get it. I think NJ might not be a great example of this due to those factors you mentioned, but there is a correlation to a team's performance in the standings and the attendance at the rink.

Similarly in Winnipeg, the owners own the arena and get revenue from all events there. They also own a lot of property around the arena and VLTs bring in more revenue, not to mention they get some pretty friendly government regulations on that too (or lack thereof).

Viability of the franchise in both NJ and Winnipeg's case isn't really a question. I think where the league and PA would be concerned is that this extra revenue is not hockey related revenue.

Anyway, I've sidetracked the discussion a bit, but I think my original point is true enough, that fans might get on board with a rebuild if the team needs it but translating that acceptance to fans in the building is another thing entirely.

 

[PhysicalGraffiti]

I get it. I think NJ might not be a great example of this due to those factors you mentioned, but there is a correlation to a team's performance in the standings and the attendance at the rink.

Similarly in Winnipeg, the owners own the arena and get revenue from all events there. They also own a lot of property around the arena and VLTs bring in more revenue, not to mention they get some pretty friendly government regulations on that too (or lack thereof).

Viability of the franchise in both NJ and Winnipeg's case isn't really a question. I think where the league and PA would be concerned is that this extra revenue is not hockey related revenue.

Anyway, I've sidetracked the discussion a bit, but I think my original point is true enough, that fans might get on board with a rebuild if the team needs it but translating that acceptance to fans in the building is another thing entirely.

 

[Viqsi]

They weren't matched up against TBL at the trade deadline which is when the decision was made.

Plus, let us not forget that the Jackets made the playoffs again the following season. The real problem came when PLD and Jones both left.

Also known as "the day we learned Pat Brisson can never ever be trusted with any of our players ever again."

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But hey, anyways, unrelated to the above... quite a nice bounceback game today. Almost makes it seem like the problem is inconsistent youth still figuring things out rather than actual eternal damnation. How bout that.

 

[SwedishFire]

Why should have a rebuilding team trade for Miller?

For Center they’ve drafted Johnson, Sillinger, Del Belluz
For Defense Jiricek, Mateychuk, Ceulemans in the last 2 drafts.

Different question is will any of those guys provide the answers

Feel bad for Cbj as a whole. Never they will have a legit team.
A team nowazays live and dies with their defence, and ofC goaltender.

If you Trade Merliizkins, I know there would be takers, behind a weak defencce its easy to fall apart.
Cbj need teo more Ds. Jarmo is for sure tanking, but someone said Voracek is about to leave/gets traded. If he does, Jarmo should try to get a D and a forward.

Giving up Bjorkstrand is sad in itself too. Like, al why did Jarmo give him up? Should had trade Voracek. So sad and stupid trade.

 

[summer tooth]

Just not much chemistry - we probably should try a coaching change but I doubt it will help. The only guys who are consistently doing well right now are Gaudreau and Boone Jenner.

 

[ViD]

Feel bad for Cbj as a whole. Never they will have a legit team.
A team nowazays live and dies with their defence, and ofC goaltender.

If you Trade Merliizkins, I know there would be takers, behind a weak defencce its easy to fall apart.
Cbj need teo more Ds. Jarmo is for sure tanking, but someone said Voracek is about to leave/gets traded. If he does, Jarmo should try to get a D and a forward.

Giving up Bjorkstrand is sad in itself too. Like, al why did Jarmo give him up? Should had trade Voracek. So sad and stupid trade.

4 out of 6 main defensemen are injured. Nobody is going to trade for a d man during a tanking season

 

[majormajor]

I think a lot of people, myself included, think a big part in Gaudreaus decision was to pick a team with little to no pressure and a team that’s rarely competitive.

I think he’s happy to just play the game and collect his paycheques with little motivation to really win a Cup. His playoff performances seem to support that as well.

That's the dumbest thing on the boards.

You think this is easier for Johnny Gaudreau than playing for a loaded team where winning is already assured?

He has to battle every night now rather than saving his energy for the cup finals.

It's an attack on the character of the player and a spectacularly backwards attack as well.

 

[SwedishFire]

I saw Bjorkstrand took a 3rs and a 4th only to aquire. Wow. Oilers would eaily done that trade.ok , cap in a capworld, but that was not value at all.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I think a lot of people, myself included, think a big part in Gaudreaus decision was to pick a team with little to no pressure and a team that’s rarely competitive.

I think he’s happy to just play the game and collect his paycheques with little motivation to really win a Cup. His playoff performances seem to support that as well.

Just when I thought your posts about this player couldn't get any more idiotic.

 

[nbwingsfan]

That's the dumbest thing on the boards.

You think this is easier for Johnny Gaudreau than playing for a loaded team where winning is already assured?

He has to battle every night now rather than saving his energy for the cup finals.

It's an attack on the character of the player and a spectacularly backwards attack as well.

It’s easier because he doesn’t have pressure to play in the playoffs, which he clearly doesn’t thrive in.

Just not a good playoff guy.

 

[majormajor]

It’s easier because he doesn’t have pressure to play in the playoffs, which he clearly doesn’t thrive in.

Just not a good playoff guy.

He was a good playoff guy last year when he wasn't the only good player on his line and wasn't double teamed.

 

[BB88]

Feel bad for Cbj as a whole. Never they will have a legit team.
A team nowazays live and dies with their defence, and ofC goaltender.

If you Trade Merliizkins, I know there would be takers, behind a weak defencce its easy to fall apart.
Cbj need teo more Ds. Jarmo is for sure tanking, but someone said Voracek is about to leave/gets traded. If he does, Jarmo should try to get a D and a forward.

Giving up Bjorkstrand is sad in itself too. Like, al why did Jarmo give him up? Should had trade Voracek. So sad and stupid trade.

What are you talking about?
They are rebuilding their C& defense.

They have Werenski on the blueline already and have drafted 3 Dmen on the 1st round in 2021-22.

They’ve drafted 2 C’s with their 1st round picks in 2021-22 and another C with their early 2nd round pick 2022.


They are a rebuilding team that’s missing half their roster.
They aren’t tanking on purpose, they are ”tanking” because of their injuries. It’s just too much for rebuilding team to overcome.


& this summer was the toughest time to get rid of cap, of course they would have traded Nyquist if it was possible but it wasn’t.
& for what they lost in Bjorkstrand they gained in Gaudreau, who’s a proven superstar in the league. They didn’t trade Bjorkstrand just for one

 

[nbwingsfan]

Just when I thought your posts about this player couldn't get any more idiotic.

For a supposed “top W in the world” his 11G/33pts in 42 games (a 21G/64pt pace) sure isn’t impressive.

Columbus is a great spot for him to avoid the pressure he doesn’t do well in.

He was a good playoff guy last year when he wasn't the only good player on his line and wasn't double teamed.

3G/14pts after a 40G/115pt season is good?

 

[majormajor]

3G/14pts after a 40G/115pt season is good?

Anything over a point per game vs playoff competition is terrific. You're not on planet earth with your sense of the stats and you're continuing to trash a good player's character.

 

[CBJx614]

For a supposed “top W in the world” his 11G/33pts in 42 games (a 21G/64pt pace) sure isn’t impressive.

Columbus is a great spot for him to avoid the pressure he doesn’t do well in.


3G/14pts after a 40G/115pt season is good?

Are you talking about Gaudreau? Because he's playing over a PPG right now?

 

[majormajor]

Feel bad for Cbj as a whole. Never they will have a legit team.
A team nowazays live and dies with their defence, and ofC goaltender.

If you Trade Merliizkins, I know there would be takers, behind a weak defencce its easy to fall apart.

Elvis' form is way way off. I don't think he's movable. He's earned his bad numbers. They just have to be patient with him and hope he can get back to his game.

Giving up Bjorkstrand is sad in itself too. Like, al why did Jarmo give him up? Should had trade Voracek. So sad and stupid trade.

We honestly don't know. Voracek's contract obviously wasn't movable and we can speculate whether Jarmo was willing or able to move Nyquist instead, but the info isn't out there. It's just a baffling move. They were only a couple million over the cap.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Columbus is a great spot for him to avoid the pressure he doesn’t do well in.

Yeah he's terrible under pressure

 

[The don godfather]

So who gets first shot on him? Never understood the process.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Anything over a point per game vs playoff competition is terrific. You're not on planet earth with your sense of the stats and you're continuing to trash a good player's character.

No it’s not

If Mcadvid put up 3G/14pts in 12 games would you consider that a great playoff performance?

Yeah he's terrible under pressure

One of his whopping 11 goals he’s ever scored in the playoffs. Incredible!

Remember how Calgary got eliminated? From Gaudreau bailing on getting hit and causing his team to lose in OT?

Are you talking about Gaudreau? Because he's playing over a PPG right now?

Yes. Those are his playoff stats

 

[I3LI3]

No it’s not

If Mcadvid put up 3G/14pts in 12 games would you consider that a great playoff performance?


One of his whopping 11 goals he’s ever scored in the playoffs. Incredible!

Remember how Calgary got eliminated? From Gaudreau bailing on getting hit and causing his team to lose in OT?


Yes. Those are his playoff stats

14 points in 12 playoff games is very good. not amazing, but very good.

time to reevaluate your evaluation of stats.

 

[WarriorofTime]

nbwings fan has a weird hate thing for Gaudreau going on

 

[majormajor]

No it’s not

If Mcadvid put up 3G/14pts in 12 games would you consider that a great playoff performance?


One of his whopping 11 goals he’s ever scored in the playoffs. Incredible!

Remember how Calgary got eliminated? From Gaudreau bailing on getting hit and causing his team to lose in OT?


Yes. Those are his playoff stats

There's only a couple players in the league you expect to reliably top 14 pts per 12 playoff games. That's a BS attack on Gaudreau.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

nbwings fan has a weird hate thing for Gaudreau going on

Yeah it's been that way since before he was in the NHL. Now he's just upset that Gaudreau has made all his projections look impossibly stupid.