Let’s get it Started- A post Perron landscape
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Because there are teams openly advertising “we will take your bad contracts for picks.”
You could have traded him after one year.
Give it to them. We need to bite the bullet on our bad contract. We need the cap space now. We shouldn’t have let it get to this point.
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Other teams do it all the time. Literally happened yesterday.
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You don’t know that. What if he gets another concussion or regresses at age 35. He becomes untradeable.
Then he’s out on LTIR. He’s not going to fall off a cliff if he isn’t injured.
Maybe Scandella has the ducks/Coyotes/etc... on his No-trade list. It's all speculation but it might have been harder to trade Scandella than we think
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I don't think Army ever viewed Perron as part of core. He traded him once, let him go in expansion draft, and then let him walk in free agent when he could have been signed for not huge $. This is a choice. Super nice guy, good player, complimentary piece.
This is where I’m at.
If we never brought him back the first time after we traded him, we wouldn’t even be having this convo. Heck most people didn’t expect him back the second time that we let Vegas have him either. It just wasn’t meant to be.
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And if we didn't trade for RoR, we wouldn't be talking about extending him. If we never drafted Thomas or Kyrou, we wouldn't be talking about extending them. I don't really see your point. We did bring Perron back, and he fit with the team. He may be a complimentary piece, but he is a good complimentary piece that fits well and is cheap.
Well if you think Perron’s tenure with the Blues is similar to that of ROR or Thomas or any other player, then I cannot help you.
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Its obviously different. Why do those differences matter? The steps Perron took to get to this point are irrelevant to the decision of whether you sign him going forward. He signed a ++ value contract that all indications are he would have preferred to sign here. So we screwed up. The fact that he has been kicked to the curb twice previously does not change that fact.
Because to Blueston’s point, Armstrong did not view Perron as a core piece like he does with ROR and Thomas.
I don’t believe this was cap related. If he valued Perron, he would have made room for him. But he just doesn’t, that’s why he let him go three times now.
I don’t get it, I don’t agree with it, but my point was that we just have to accept Armstrong’s opinion of him. He probably wasn’t ever “supposed” to be back. Most players would never have re-signed with us after being traded and then left exposed in an expansion draft. Perron crazily loves STL too much so we were lucky to get him again, but Perron’s decision was truly an anomaly. 99 times out of 100 we would never get to this point with a player anyways.
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I pretty much agree with you but cap constraints certainly played a role. From Army's point of view, he felt we couldn't afford to bring everyone back on offense and it's a lot easier to keep the guys under contract and let go the guy without one. Otherwise he'd need to make at least 1 trade to free up the space to sign Perron. It seems there are few teams willing to take on salary unless you make it worth their while.
And it's independent of the Leddy signing because Army's top priority was getting a top 4 defenseman. Perron was just the odd man out, unfortunately. I'm not happy about it but I mostly get it.
It played a role for sure. But there’s clearly moves he could have made to keep Perron. He just didn’t want to.
The fact is Perron's minutes are in many ways replacable with our current roster. Tarasenko and Kyrou are both PPG players but they were #6 and #7 in ice time among forwards last year and since we aren't putting them on the PK, Perron's top 6 minutes are the ones they can most easily take if we want to bump them up.
Yes, Perron had a bit more defensive responsibility than Tarasenko or Kyrou since he was taking a lot of defensive zone starts alongside O'Reilly, but he wasn't the driver defensively anyway. And hey, Tarasenko got a Selke vote in 2017-2018 (As I learned while browsing Hockey-Reference. What the heck was that about?).
Yes Perron was amazing on the power play for us, but we can probably expect similar production from Kyrou eating a lot of those minutes, even if their styles are a bit different.
One of the disappointing things about letting Perron go to me, ignoring the emotional factor, is that it signals we're probably done making significant moves this offseason. Our roster looks pretty well set now. If Armstrong was planning on moving Tarasenko, the most likely spot to use those cap dollars would have been towards a #1 defenseman, and then signing Perron and not Leddy makes a lot of sense. Now that we have Leddy and Perron is gone we're pretty well set. Sure, it's still possible there's a trade somehow, but I think it'd now require a lot more moving parts, like both of Tarasenko and Krug going, which means it's a lot less likely to happen.
Yes, Perron had a bit more defensive responsibility than Tarasenko or Kyrou since he was taking a lot of defensive zone starts alongside O'Reilly, but he wasn't the driver defensively anyway. And hey, Tarasenko got a Selke vote in 2017-2018 (As I learned while browsing Hockey-Reference. What the heck was that about?).
Yes Perron was amazing on the power play for us, but we can probably expect similar production from Kyrou eating a lot of those minutes, even if their styles are a bit different.
One of the disappointing things about letting Perron go to me, ignoring the emotional factor, is that it signals we're probably done making significant moves this offseason. Our roster looks pretty well set now. If Armstrong was planning on moving Tarasenko, the most likely spot to use those cap dollars would have been towards a #1 defenseman, and then signing Perron and not Leddy makes a lot of sense. Now that we have Leddy and Perron is gone we're pretty well set. Sure, it's still possible there's a trade somehow, but I think it'd now require a lot more moving parts, like both of Tarasenko and Krug going, which means it's a lot less likely to happen.
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I'm sure he could have made it work, but it would have been quite complicated and he almost certainly wouldn't have got full value for whoever he traded out. Paying assets to move Scandella or trading Tarasenko, Krug or whoever for 50 cents on the dollar might have let us keep Perron, but wouldn't have made much sense.
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Agree.
Perron is a STL Legend and DA knows it, but DA is cold and ruthless at times and is able to shut off his feelings.
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It's more likely that Kyrou is promoted to the #1 PP unit and takes that spot.
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DA is still an asshole.
I won't look at this organization the same way again.
I won't look at this organization the same way again.
